'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276640 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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ABs

Dacula, GA

#290265 Nov 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Why WTC Collapsed on 9/11? Part-23
The disinformation campaign
Going back to the shills and the straw men, we find that the image of the diagonally cut column was posted by Christopher Bollyn at Rumor Mill News on April 21, 2006 and at Rense on April 23, 2006, whereupon it was quickly duplicated by supporters of the controlled demolition hypothesis, yet readily debunked.
At the "debunked" page previously mentioned:
http://debunking911.com/thermite.htm
...which shows that the column was cut during the clean-up operation, they show:
http://hereisnewyork.org/gallery/thumb.asp...
...which is the source of the photo that Bollyn promoted (photo #5100) and still promotes as of August 2009. The other link on that "debunking" page is now wrong; the image they use comes from the page before the one they link to:
http://hereisnewyork.org/gallery/thumb.asp...
On 10 August 2007, Daryl Bradford Smith, who used to work with Eric Hufschmid and promoted Chris Bollyn before he concluded that they were both bad guys, described succinctly how Judas goat shills establish themselves as "truth tellers" and then go into self-destruct mode:
They made a man come out for a year or two, work hard at facts that were already known,'cos he never exposed anything that wasn't already known. And got in, got trusted as a guy that was a fact finder and a truth teller. And then, at the appropriate time, sent him off to be a complete nutjob, to discredit the rest of us.[...] So what they're trying to do is, that they're going to put these people out as factfinders and then nutjobs, and so that people can juxtapose a belief that everybody involved in this movement is a Looney Tune...
...
Those clowns need no help "looking" like a looney tunes, they are quite capable of looney tuning on their own, at least we have KSM to tell us the truth as allah is his witness...nice to see you so passionate about something other than split moons and madrassa teachings though, comrade muq...one day I am sure the truth will come out just like the kennedy assassination conspiracies...50 years as still nothing new...
OpenSecrets org

Edison, NJ

#290266 Nov 24, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
Greeting tinyearl...but I don't get it, just last election cycle obumble PROMISED all troops home by 2014...perhaps that was a teleprompter typo error...end of 2024. Good to see you doing well
As far as I'm concern Obama is a corporate liar just like Bush/Cheney before him.

Obama's middle name is not Hussein, it is Bush.

Barack Bush Obama continued over 90% of all Bush/Cheney failed policies and crimes against our Constitution.

Nice to see you also.

Looks like our friend MUQ cannot stop talking about who caused the Towers to fall.

Everyone knows it was 19 Muslims mostly from Saudi Arabia crashing Jumbo Jets into our buildings.

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Nader Was Right: Liberals are Going Nowhere With Obama
Aug 10, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kotjan
The American empire has not altered under Barack Obama. It kills as brutally and indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as it did under George W. Bush. It steals from the U.S. treasury to enrich the corporate elite as rapaciously. It will not give us universal health care, abolish the Bush secrecy laws, end torture or “extraordinary rendition,” restore habeas corpus or halt the warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of citizens. It will not push through significant environmental reform, regulate Wall Street or end our relationship with private contractors that provide mercenary armies to fight our imperial wars and produce useless and costly weapons systems.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090810_...
henry

Germany

#290267 Nov 24, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>Yes he will he is a hologram ... LOL!
If Bush is in the hell, if there ever would have been such a thing at all. He just died as all living human beings.
henry

Germany

#290268 Nov 24, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>you probably believe the Jews poisoned Arafat with nuclear materials
Of course I do!
henry

Germany

#290269 Nov 24, 2013
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
No help will Change any "Research" any more.
henry

Germany

#290270 Nov 24, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy genius Gdub is scheduled to keynote a fundraiser in Irving, Texas, for the Messianic Jewish Bible Institute, a group that trains people in the United States, Israel, and around the world to convince Jews to accept Jesus as the Messiah. The organization's goal: to "restore" Israel and the Jews and bring about the second coming of Christ.
Is this a comedy or what?
henry

Germany

#290271 Nov 24, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>
If he ever lived he only died in a physical sense but he certainly lives on and on in the believers mind!
He is a Phantom like all other religious myths
henry

Germany

#290272 Nov 24, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>how do you know? Were you there?
Reason tells me that.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#290274 Nov 24, 2013
Sam wrote:
+++++++GOD NOW APPROVES OF SAME-SEX-MARRIAGE!!!+++++++ God has changed His mind regarding Homosexuality!. God can change His mind on matters if He wants to, there are instances in the Bible where God does just that!. This time is no different. God has certainly been answering the big Gays prayers lately!, with their recent Supreme Court victories and all. God wouldn't answer me, a Straight guy!. You know, I once asked God for a wife, 5 months later, He gave me a wh**e!. I do admit, I did used to blaspheme God a couple years on down before this, but I stopped this. I figured this was the reason God raped me. If God didn't want to give me a wife, He sure as Hell didn't have to give me that rotten wh**e!!!. Because God bestowed this evil upon me, my blaspheming Him returned with a vengence!!!. I lay it on old God now and I don't care if I do go burn forever, HAHAHAHAHA!!!. I blaspheme God real good now. I do it more then I ever did and I am a might proud of that fact, HAHAHAHAHA!!!...GIVE ME ANOTHER WH**E GOD!!!!!!!!!.
So, which God are we talking about? there are thousands of them ...
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Sunbury, PA

#290275 Nov 24, 2013
OpenSecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
As far as I'm concern Obama is a corporate liar just like Bush/Cheney before him.
Obama's middle name is not Hussein, it is Bush.
Barack Bush Obama continued over 90% of all Bush/Cheney failed policies and crimes against our Constitution.
Nice to see you also.
Looks like our friend MUQ cannot stop talking about who caused the Towers to fall.
Everyone knows it was 19 Muslims mostly from Saudi Arabia crashing Jumbo Jets into our buildings.
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Nader Was Right: Liberals are Going Nowhere With Obama
Aug 10, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/kotjan
The American empire has not altered under Barack Obama. It kills as brutally and indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as it did under George W. Bush. It steals from the U.S. treasury to enrich the corporate elite as rapaciously. It will not give us universal health care, abolish the Bush secrecy laws, end torture or “extraordinary rendition,” restore habeas corpus or halt the warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of citizens. It will not push through significant environmental reform, regulate Wall Street or end our relationship with private contractors that provide mercenary armies to fight our imperial wars and produce useless and costly weapons systems.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090810_...
Hence Obama can blame Bush for all his failed policies
OpenSecrets org

Edison, NJ

#290276 Nov 24, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
<quoted text>Hence Obama can blame Bush for all his failed policies
On big ticket items Obama is one and the same as Reagan, the Bush's, and the Clinton's.

All Wall Street prostitutes in Washington DC.

I have never subscribed to the corporate Rightwing media's or corporate Mainstream media's view that Republicans are conservative and Democrats are liberal.

For the most part that is a Myth that most Americans believe.

The Guns, The Gays, the Abortion are all wedge issues that both corrupt corporate parties thrive on.

The Democrats sold me out along time ago and I suggest you realize the Republicans sold you out also along time ago.

Most Americans are not in the top 0.1% or even the top 1% who are truly represented in Congress.

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Roll Call of Shame on “Too Big to Fail”
May 8, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/2dfldsk
Future historians will look back on the financial crisis of the last couple years and wonder why Congress didn’t act sooner or more aggressively to prevent such a crisis from recurring.
Last week, by an astonishingly wide margin, the Senate voted down a bill sponsored by Sherrod Brown and Ted Kaufman that would have limited the size of financial institutions.
Here’s the roll call of shame:
Daniel Akaka
Max Baucus
Evan Bayh
Michael Bennet
Thomas Carper
Kent Conrad
Chris Dodd
Dianne Feinstein
Kirsten Gillibrand
Kay Hagan
Daniel Inouye
Tim Johnson
John Kerry
Amy Klobuchar
Herb Kohl
Mary Landrieu
Frank Lautenberg
Claire McCaskill
Robert Menendez
Bill Nelson
Ben Nelson
Jack Reed
Chuck Schumer
Jeanne Shaheen
Jon Tester
Mark Udall
Mark Warner
Several of these Senators, like Conrad and Tester, pretend to be progressive populists.
Schumer and Dodd pretend to be leaders on financial reform.
And John Kerry?
“Wall Street won and the American people lost,” said Mary Bottari, director of the Real Economy Project for the Center for Media and Democracy.
http://www.progressive.org/wx050810.html
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290277 Nov 24, 2013
George Bush 's ratings were down to 36% due mainly to the media harping on him. According to Rush Limbaugh Obama did it on his own and is at 37%.
OpenSecrets org

Edison, NJ

#290278 Nov 24, 2013
John_Schuylkill County_Pa wrote:
George Bush 's ratings were down to 36% due mainly to the media harping on him. According to Rush Limbaugh Obama did it on his own and is at 37%.
I truly believe Bush deserved it and so does Obama for selling out all liberal/progressives.

After all Obama passed a Republican health care bill without any Republicans voting for it.

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How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate / 10/20/2011 / http://tinyurl.com/7yztznx

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That’s not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I’m just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn’t true.

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That’s what I’m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/h...

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Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans
October 1, 1989 / http://tinyurl.com/8xb6rd9
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assu...

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Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea
March 30th, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/26xm72p
EDITOR'S NOTE: An analysis of this comment by President Barack Obama was published on April 1, 2010. After it appeared, the Heritage Foundation's communications office contacted us to argue that our rating of Mostly True was too generous to the president. We did some additional reporting to review our ruling. Our second round of reporting -- primarily talking to conservative policy experts outside of Heritage -- solidified our initial conclusions. Below is the updated version of our story, which retains the rating of Mostly True, published April 26, 2010.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

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Summary Of A 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan
Feb 23, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/amcg2tz
In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."
Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton's plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290279 Nov 24, 2013
OpenSecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
I truly believe Bush deserved it and so does Obama for selling out all liberal/progressives.
After all Obama passed a Republican health care bill without any Republicans voting for it.
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How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate / 10/20/2011 / http://tinyurl.com/7yztznx
ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.
GINGRICH: That’s not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.
GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: And you never supported them?
GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I’m just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn’t true.
ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?
GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.
ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?
ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That’s what I’m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.
GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.
ROMNEY: OK.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/h...
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Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans
October 1, 1989 / http://tinyurl.com/8xb6rd9
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assu...
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Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea
March 30th, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/26xm72p
EDITOR'S NOTE: An analysis of this comment by President Barack Obama was published on April 1, 2010. After it appeared, the Heritage Foundation's communications office contacted us to argue that our rating of Mostly True was too generous to the president. We did some additional reporting to review our ruling. Our second round of reporting -- primarily talking to conservative policy experts outside of Heritage -- solidified our initial conclusions. Below is the updated version of our story, which retains the rating of Mostly True, published April 26, 2010.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
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Summary Of A 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan
Feb 23, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/amcg2tz
In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."
Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton's plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...
exactly, Dems rolled it out. It's their baby. Repubs harping on crossing state lines and tort reform
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290280 Nov 24, 2013
Repubs are not responsible for a backward website. You should look at the plans before you enter your info to buy the plan
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290281 Nov 24, 2013
Repubs did not pay $600 + million for a hackable website.
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290282 Nov 24, 2013
Repubs did not roll out an unfinished website that is always down
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290283 Nov 24, 2013
Good luck with that Dems
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#290284 Nov 24, 2013
Bollyn's conspiratorial version of events was dissected and torn to shreds when it did not stand up to objective analysis. For example, Bollyn said, "I was thrown into a cell with no water. I asked for a drink of water and was told,'Drink from the toilet'." The Hoffman Estates police cells have a combined toilet and sink with water fountain, as can be seen in the relevant photo here entitled "Adult Cell".

In other words, they didn't serve Bollyn with a glass of water as he entered the cell, and when he asked for water he was told to drink from the fountain above the toilet.

The 9/11 perpetrators hoped that anti-Zionist truth seekers would gloss over the details of the case and go on to make a logical error known as post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this therefore because of this) that confuses correlation with causation. Specifically, they would fall for Bollyn's claim that he had been targeted because he was "exposing" Zionists.

The perps' goal is to isolate 9/11 truth seekers and anti-Zionists from the sheeple who couldn't be bothered to investigate 9/11, so that truth seekers would fall into the trap of perceiving Bollyn as a martyr and a patriot, the laggards would see him as a buffoon and a clown, and the Jews could present him as an "anti-Semite".

The perps also enjoy a bonus in that the truth movement is divided, between those who can see through the likes of Bollyn and those who were duped. In this audio clip from November 12, 2007, Daryl Bradford Smith has a few things to say about Christopher Bollyn.

As with the diagonally cut column, Bollyn's other tasks would be to devalue truth by mixing in disinformation: exaggeration and questionable stories. Examples include his misquoting of Mark Loizeaux regarding where the molten steel was found, his misquoting of Arthur Lerner-Lam as to alleged "seismic spikes", the Sam Danner "Global Hawk" report (which Russell Pickering identified as highly suspect right from day one), the "thermite disguised as batteries" red herring which any demolitionist worth their salt would recognise as nonsense, a satirical article from The Onion submitted as Bollyn's "original work", a suspect article that Bollyn tried to get into the Barnes Review, the "Flight 93 was not shot down but landed at Cleveland" diversion, the unsubstantiated claim that Benjamin Chertoff is a cousin of Michael Chertoff, etc.

The "thermite-filled batteries in the computer room" disinformation was designed to sabotage controlled demolition hypotheses, by encouraging "debunkers" to claim that the yellow-orange flow from WTC2 - powerful evidence of a thermite reaction yielding an iron-rich melt - was actually "lead". No matter that the color was totally inconsistent with the fire-induced collapse propaganda, some people would fall for it. And Bollyn's misquoting of Loizeaux was intended to cast doubt upon the validity of the multiple reports of molten steel. Bollyn even claims that a photo of the jet fuel deflagration is "evidence of thermate".

(Contd.)
John_Schuylkill County_Pa

Chalfont, PA

#290285 Nov 24, 2013
OpenSecrets org wrote:
<quoted text>
I truly believe Bush deserved it and so does Obama for selling out all liberal/progressives.
After all Obama passed a Republican health care bill without any Republicans voting for it.
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How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate / 10/20/2011 / http://tinyurl.com/7yztznx
ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.
GINGRICH: That’s not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.
GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.
ROMNEY: And you never supported them?
GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I’m just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn’t true.
ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?
GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.
ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?
ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That’s what I’m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.
GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.
ROMNEY: OK.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/h...
----------
Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans
October 1, 1989 / http://tinyurl.com/8xb6rd9
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assu...
========
Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea
March 30th, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/26xm72p
EDITOR'S NOTE: An analysis of this comment by President Barack Obama was published on April 1, 2010. After it appeared, the Heritage Foundation's communications office contacted us to argue that our rating of Mostly True was too generous to the president. We did some additional reporting to review our ruling. Our second round of reporting -- primarily talking to conservative policy experts outside of Heritage -- solidified our initial conclusions. Below is the updated version of our story, which retains the rating of Mostly True, published April 26, 2010.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
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Summary Of A 1993 Republican Health Reform Plan
Feb 23, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/amcg2tz
In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."
Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey). The bill, which was not debated or voted upon, was an alternative to President Bill Clinton's plan. It bears similarity to the Democratic bill passed by the Senate Dec. 24, 2009, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...
somehow the Dems made it the Unafforable Care Act

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