'The War Is Not Over'

'The War Is Not Over'

There are 276652 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Sep 12, 2006, titled 'The War Is Not Over'. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

WASHINGTON - President Bush led the nation on Monday in marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept.

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Gwinn, MI

#286922 Mar 11, 2013
Meanwhile, even more trouble for our former-Texas-oil-man-turned-Pr esident is brewing with reports that unveil UNOCAL, another big energy company, for being in bed with the Taliban, along with the U.S. government in a major, continuing effort to construct pipelines through Afghanistan from the petroleum-rich Caspian Basin in Central Asia. Beneath their burkas, UNOCAL is being exposed for giving the five star treatment to Taliban Mullahs in the Lone Star State in 1997. The “evil-ones” were also invited to meet with U.S. government officials in Washington, D.C.

According to a December 17, 1997 article in the British paper, The Telegraph, headlined,“Oil barons court Taliban in Texas,” the Taliban was about to sign a “?2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country.… The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality.… Dressed in traditional salwar khameez,Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay.”


Gwinn, MI

#286923 Mar 11, 2013
Back in Houston, the Taliban was learning how the “other half lives,” and according to The Telegraph,“stayed in a five-star hotel and were chauffeured in a company minibus.” The Taliban representatives “…were amazed by the luxurious homes of Texan oil barons. Invited to dinner at the palatial home of Martin Miller, a vice-president of Unocal, they marveled at his swimming pool, views of the golf course and six bathrooms.” Mr. Miller, said he hoped that UNOCAL had clinched the deal.

Dick Cheney was then CEO of Haliburton Corporation, a pipeline services vendor based in Texas. Gushed Cheney in 1998,“I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian. It’s almost as if the opportunities have arisen overnight. The good Lord didn’t see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally we have to operate in places where, all things considered, one would not normally choose to go. But we go where the business is.” Would Cheney bargain with the harborers of U.S. troop killers if that’s where the business was?

The Telegraph reported that Unocal had promised to start building the pipeline and paying the Taliban immediately, with the added inducements and a donation of ?500,000 to the University of Nebraska for courses in Afghanistan to train 400 teachers, electricians, carpenters and pipefitters.

The Telegraph also reported,“The US government, which in the past has branded the Taliban’s policies against women and children “despicable”, appears anxious to please the fundamentalists to clinch the lucrative pipeline contract.” In a paper prepared by Neamatollah Nojumi, at the Tufts University Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Nojumi wrote in August 1997 that Madeline Albright sat in a “full-dress CIA briefing” on the Caspian region. CIA agents then accompanied “some well-trained petroleum engineers” to the region. Albright concluded that shaping the region’s policies was “one of the most exciting things that we can do.”

Gwinn, MI

#286924 Mar 11, 2013
It’s also exciting to the Bush Administration. According to the authors of Bin Laden, the Hidden Truth, one of the FBI’s leading counter terrorism agents, John O’Neill, resigned last year in protest over the Bush Administration’s alleged obstruction of his investigation into bin Laden.(A similar complaint has been filed on behalf of another unidentified FBI Agent by the conservative Judicial Watch public interest group.) Supposedly the Bush Administration had been meeting since January 2001 with the Taliban, and was also reluctant to offend Saudi Arabians who O’Neill had linked to bin Laden. Mr. O’Neill, after leaving the FBI, assumed the position of security director at the World Trade Center, where he was killed in the 911 attacks.

As America’s New War now begins focusing on other “rogue nations,” UNOCAL’s stars have magically aligned. About two months after the Houston parties, UNOCAL executive John Maresca addressed the House Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific and urged support for establishment of an investor-friendly climate in Afghanistan,“… we have made it clear that construction of our proposed pipeline cannot begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders and our company.” Meaning that UNOCAL’s ability to construct the Afghan pipeline was a cause worthy of U.S. taxpayer dollars.

Gwinn, MI

#286926 Mar 11, 2013
On August 10, 2005, Unocal merged with Chevron Corporation and became a wholly owned subsidiary. Unocal has now ceased operations as an independent company, but continues to conduct many operations as Union Oil Company of California, a Chevron company.
Leaving a wave of controversy in its wake, one of the most visible reminders of the Bush administration's ties to big oil - the 129,000-ton Chevron tanker Condoleezza Rice - has quietly been renamed, Chevron officials acknowledged yesterday.

"We made the change to eliminate the unnecessary attention caused by the vessel's original name," said Chevron spokesman Fred Gorell.

In March 2005, the Chinese National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) tried to acquire Unocal with a bid that valued Unocal at between $16 billion and $18 billion. Following a vote in the United States House of Representatives, the bid was referred to President George W. Bush, on the grounds that its implications for national security needed to be reviewed.[9] CNOOC withdrew its bid. Soon after, Unocal merged with Chevron.

The merger was seen as U.S. protectionism in the involvement of political interests where CNOOC was made aware of a "harsh political reaction" to a take over of American companies.[10] American congressmen cited "national security" as a reason for being alarmed by the takeover option.[11]

Unocal was one of the key players in the CentGas consortium, an attempt to build the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline to run from the Caspian area, through Afghanistan and probably Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. One of the consultants to Unocal at that time was Zalmay Khalilzad, former US ambassador to Afghanistan, Iraq, and the United Nations.

In the 1980s, CIA chief Bill Casey had revived the agency's practise of gaining intelligence from traveling businessmen. Marty Miller, one of Unocal's top executives, conducted negotiations in several Central Asian countries from 1995, and voluntarily provided information gained on these trips to the CIA's Houston station.[12]

In 1996, Unocal opened an office in Kandahar, Afghanistan, while the Taliban were in the process of taking control of the country.

Unocal rented a house in central Kandahar directly across the street from one of [Osama] bin Laden's new compounds. They did not choose this location deliberately. Most of the decent houses in town straddled the Herat Bazaar Road. Also near was the Pakistani consulate, which housed officers from [the Pakistani military Inter-Services Intelligence, the] ISI.
—Steve Coll, Ghost Wars[13]

Gwinn, MI

#286927 Mar 11, 2013
Warning the world (September 11, 2001)
Group of former Soviet militarymen, led by Col. Leonid Khabarov (center,) standing by the Massoud’s Tomb, commemorating his memory (2009)In the spring 2001, Ahmad Shah Massoud had addressed the European Parliament in Brussels, saying that Pakistan was behind the situation in Afghanistan.[84] He also said that he believed that, without the support of Pakistan, Osama Bin Laden, and Saudi Arabia, the Taliban would not be able to sustain their military campaign for up to a year. He said the Afghan population was ready to rise against them.[84] Addressing the United States specifically, he warned that should the U.S. not work for peace in Afghanistan and put pressure on Pakistan to cease their support to the Taliban, the problems of Afghanistan would soon become the problems of the U.S. and the world.[84][108]

Declassified Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) documents from November 2001 show that Massoud had gained "limited knowledge... regarding the intentions of [Al-Qaeda] to perform a terrorist act against the US on a scale larger than the 1998 bombing of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania."[85][109] They noted that he warned about such attacks.[85][109]


Gwinn, MI

#286928 Mar 11, 2013
July 31, 2010


Gwinn, MI

#286929 Mar 11, 2013
Who We Are

Paul Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Gould, have been a husband and wife team since 1977. In 1981 we were the first American journalists permitted to enter Afghanistan behind Soviet lines. We covered the war first for CBS News, produced a documentary for PBS. We returned in 1983 for ABC’s Nightline with Harvard’s "Getting to Yes" negotiations expert, Roger Fisher in the hopes of advancing the prospects for negotiating the Soviets out.

By 1987 we knew the time was not right foretelling the Afghan story. We started to develop reality based screenplays out of the accumulated materials and research. By the end of the 1980's, we had completed four. The EX-FILE* was one. Written in 1989, it was based on a real US government Black Project that used military personnel for mind-control experiments. As the new decade arrived, we began to experience a consciousness shift. Our geopolitical perspective became the key to discovery into the deeper motivations of the players behind the most important event of our time, the war in Afghanistan.

Ultimately we found a psychic link to a blood world of Norman Geraldine (Fitzgerald) holy warriors linked to the Crusades and the holy warriors of Afghanistan today.

We met Oliver Stone in 1992 to introduce him to The Voice, a research paper we developed after years of struggling to tell the unknown geopolitical story of our experience with Afghanistan. With Stone’s encouragement and through his power of dreams we brought our mythic dream world into waking reality.

The story eventually became the holographic door through which the geopolitics of Afghanistan in the current era walked to meet the spiritual ground of its existence; a world with rules of its own, playing out in our time. It reveals the mystical struggle for the future that underlies and drives our consciousness and goes right to the heart of understanding the true destiny of the Western Dream.

Our story will take you back to the birth of the ancient Grail quest 5500 hundred years ago, what that means for the restoration of the Grail through electronics today and why this will restore the Grail for eternity.

A story based on our dreams and visions, The Voice is our answer to the question, what is the meaning of life?

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Gwinn, MI

#286930 Mar 11, 2013

Gwinn, MI

#286931 Mar 11, 2013
Even less understood is how the political decisions of the late 1970s are tied to the current simultaneous financial and foreign policy crisis. Nor is it understood how Washington and Wall Street set the stage for America’s financial downfall by using Afghanistan as an investment bank throughout the 1980s to renew the Cold War instead of reinvesting in America’s civilian economy.

Much like today, the America of 1979 faced a crossroads. Vietnam, two oil shocks, a disintegrating infrastructure, a beleaguered manufacturing base and the loss of strategic ally Iran had shown that America was a vulnerable colossus. Thirty five years of economic Cold War against the Soviet Union and China had produced a vast arsenal of nuclear weapons that were proving as useless as they were unusable. World War II had set the stage for the happy marriage of war production to business — pulling the U.S. out of the depression by doubling the Gross National Product in one year (1940). The Cold War ushered the financial benefits of the 1940s into the 1950s and 1960s. But these expenditures came at a massive expense to the civilian economy and not just in terms of tax dollars. Weapons development of the post World War II years lured America’s best and brightest away from the civilian economy and even the real world of guns, tanks and armies into a world detached from time, space and money. While Germany and Japan rebuilt their civilian industries free from defense spending, the U.S. moved into ever higher levels of technology, glorifying and expanding the influence of the defense industry into every fabric of American life.

Originally termed Military Keynesianism to describe the buildup of the German defense industry prior to World War II, America’s military Keynesianism of the Cold War was the unseen hand of government supporting the American economy, balancing the cyclical ups and downs of the market by providing 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product in 1950s and 9 percent in the 1960s. By 1963 defense spending accounted for 52 percent of all the research and development done in the United States. But by the mid-1970s, a stagnant American economy combined with the Arab oil embargo and inflation brought on by the Vietnam War exposed the weakness in the system. As German and Japanese manufacturers battered their American competition in the marketplace, the defense-heavy American economy faltered.

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Oakdale, NY

#286932 Mar 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Want to send a couple of drones to search for me?
My guess is the CIA /NSA /FBI and Mossad already knows where you are.


Israeli Secret Intelligence Service

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Gwinn, MI

#286933 Mar 11, 2013
Mystical Imperialism: Afghanistan’s Ancient Role

Gwinn, MI

#286934 Mar 11, 2013

Gwinn, MI

#286935 Mar 11, 2013

Aiken, SC

#286936 Mar 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Want to send a couple of drones to search for me?
You should feel HONORED enough to realize that you have some non-muslim friends who actually care about you and are only hoping you are safe and well...

Aiken, SC

#286937 Mar 11, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently the Saudis have problems scheduling their daily beheadings because of a shortage of swordsmen - I'm not kidding!
Not to worry, the NRA is on it and have offered shooting squads in lieu of...

Oakland, CA

#286938 Mar 11, 2013
ABs wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to worry, the NRA is on it and have offered shooting squads in lieu of...
You'd have to change that to NSA - yemoron :-)

Aiken, SC

#286939 Mar 11, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
You'd have to change that to NSA - yemoron :-)
Speaking of moron...what little district has the TOUGHEST gun laws of anywhere in this country?

Eleven people have been taken to hospitals after a shooting outside an apartment building in the District, police said.
The shooting took place at about 2 a.m. Monday in the 1200 block of North Capitol Street. It appears that the incident was a drive-by shooting, and police are looking for two vehicles that were traveling at a high rate of speed southbound on North Capitol Street, Assistant Police Chief Peter Newsham said.

Five women and six men were taken to hospitals, although police are not sure how many of them were shot. One of the victims is in serious condition, but none of the victims have life-threatening injuries, Newsham said.

Perhaps another ban is warranted? I wonder if those guns were re-registered this year?

Since: Jan 13

Falkirk, UK

#286940 Mar 11, 2013
Washington should pressure Baghdad to increase the allocation for oil cost recovery
Posted on: Mar 11th, 2013 - 9:25 pm
Foxy is Foxy

United States

#286942 Mar 11, 2013
Tinka wrote:
Oh man Good manners should behave self...and know the cause if he'd ever even were to consider to blow up anything...
Democracy was on it's way out is what they said they went in for...
Well I think Bama needs more support is all
I can't tell you this without a grrr really on the public site but my ass many times blows me away....
How does it do it you wipe and nothing just one more to be sure and then you feel stuck damm one more two wipes and oh then it feels nice and dry and clean...
Put the fork in it, the War is done now!

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#286943 Mar 11, 2013
News you will not see or hear on CNN and FOX News


The Law of War Does Not Shield the CIA and John Brennan's Drone Kill List

The US prosecuted Omar Khadr in Guantánamo for not being a lawful combatant. Exactly the same applies to the civilian CIA

By Morris Davis

February 12, 2013 "The Guardian" -- The disclosure Tuesday evening of the Department of Justice white paper on targeted killing (pdf) has sparked a lot of debate, much of it focused on the Obama administration's extraordinarily broad interpretation of what constitutes an "imminent" threat that justifies lethal force as an act of self-defense. As Senator Rand Paul (Republican, Kentucky) told reporters during a conference call on Wednesday, "only a team of lawyers could define 'imminent' to mean the exact opposite" of what the word means in the real world.

There are, no doubt, many Americans alive today who should be thankful their healthcare providers did not apply the administration's interpretation of "imminent" to decide if they had crossed over the line of imminent death and said pull the plug.

Some people have acquired power and profits in post-9/11 America by pandering to and perpetuating fear. As has been the case on a range of legal issues – torture, indefinite detention, warrantless surveillance, kill lists – all it takes is for someone to say "terrorism" and "threat to security" in the same breath for the vast majority of the public to handover its principles. Rather than a serious discussion on the proper law/liberty/security balance, too often the public accepts the false syllogism that whatever it takes to stop "them" from hurting "us" is obviously, as White House spokesman Jay Carney might say, "legal, ethical and wise".

Targeted killing falls into that category. The discussion tends to glom what should be several discrete inquiries – where will the lethal operation take place; who is the imminent threat and why; who will conduct the operation; and what laws apply, among others – into one big ball that slides through with little scrutiny.

The DOJ white paper discusses the right to take military action against a US citizen who is part of the enemy forces, law of war principles that govern application of military power, judicial deference to military judgments in the conduct of warfare, and combatant immunity that gives legal sanction to a deliberate killing by a member of the armed forces acting in compliance with the law of war. In and of themselves, those are all very valid points.

What the white paper ignores, however, is that the US has both a military and a CIA drone program, each one subject to its own rules. The CIA is a civilian agency with civilian employees and civilian contractors. It is not part of the US armed forces and its drone program is not immune from liability by the law of war principles that might apply to the military drone program.

The deliberate killing of another person is generally murder unless it is excused by some valid legal justification, like the law of war's combatant immunity. For example, the United States charged Omar Khadr with committing murder in violation of the law of war for throwing a grenade and killing a US service member during a battle in Afghanistan.

At his military commission trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, the military judge explained to Khadr that the law says a "killing is unlawful when done without legal justification or excuse" and that "the phrase 'in violation of the law of war' means a person … acting as a combatant [who] did not meet the requirements for being a lawful combatant." Khadr pled guilty to the charge and is now in prison in Canada serving a sentence for war crimes.

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