Vision enters six cars for May 27 Ind...

Vision enters six cars for May 27 Indy 500

There are 58 comments on the CBS Sportsline.com story from Mar 15, 2007, titled Vision enters six cars for May 27 Indy 500. In it, CBS Sportsline.com reports that:

Vision Racing, the team co-owned by Indianapolis Motor Speedway and IRL boss Tony George, entered six cars Thursday for the Indy 500.

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MarkL

Chesterfield, MO

#43 Mar 20, 2007
U R A tewl wrote:
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MARKL goes blah blah blah blah blah...
1.HAAS has openly spit in georges face in the media. He despises him.
2.george has money to burn on the irl because of nascar. you stupid if you think otherwise.
3.Robin Miller could most recently be read tearing Champcar in to shreds. not tony george.
4."you say the irl continues to be consistent in it's scheduling and philosophy"???????
dood...your comments prove you to be a myopic tony george bootlicker lemming supreme because those are some of the most generic ill informed just plain incorrect statements I have read in some time.
come clean with us....you're on his payroll, aren't you.
ICMike. you're stoopid too for thinking he's correct and intelligent.
IMS bootlicker brigade is alive and well.
As for HAAS - You can hate somebody and respect them at the same time. The late Dale Earnhardt was the perfect example for that.

George has MULTIPLE streams of revenue including NASCAR. He would be a fool to not being them to Indy!
That my friend is SMART. Give the man credit for that. Oops, it looks like you did!

Robin Miller is liberal with his venum for anything in American open-wheels and NASCAR which truely leads me to believe that he is just a wholesale hater with nothing better to do but dissiminate that hate via his typewriter.

DOOD, The IRL EASILY has a more reccognizable schedule than that of ChampCar. Myopic, moi? Note that I said that I thought that George was initially NUTS for defecting from CART (look it up). Today, he looks more like a genious for what he did. There were nine cars that showed up for ChampCar preseason testing. Paul Gentilozzi is buying up ChampCar teams wholesale right now trying to give them a decent shot at anything nearly resembling a full field. Carl HAAS? Haas is fielding a bottom feeder NASCAR Busch series team right now!

Who trumped who?

I am not in the practice of name calling so I will just say that money talks and Bulldroppings fertilize the grass at Indy.

No, I am not an employee of Tony George but if I were, I am sure that I would not be worried in the least about where my next check is coming from. Too bad that the employees of ChampCar cannot say the same!
MarkL

Chesterfield, MO

#44 Mar 20, 2007
Indycarmike57 wrote:
Interesting point and reminder about the public-status of ISC. It WILL be huge event for the IRL; I agree with you that it's a foregone conclusion.
But I respectfully disagree that an IRL race at Daytona would not be a favor returned. NASCAR and ISC are simply not in the same stratosphere they are today without their invitation to racing's Mecca in 1994. It catapulted NASCAR and stock car racing to mainstream consciousness.
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ISC will not do an IRL event at Daytona to payback a NASCAR offering to Indy. If it is good for ISC, then ISC will go for it.

The money that ISC would have to spend is that of the shareholders of ISC. Not one cent of NASCAR money would be used to do it.

There is a difference between NASCAR and ISC. A big one.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#45 Mar 20, 2007
I'm not saying that they'd do it because they feel indebted to IMS. I'm just saying that THEY SHOULD feel indebted to IMS. NASCAR and the ISC are not what they are today without the inaugural Brickyard 400 in 1994. But I'm sure the arrogance exists to the contrary among that governing body and that corporation.
MarkL wrote:
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ISC will not do an IRL event at Daytona to payback a NASCAR offering to Indy. If it is good for ISC, then ISC will go for it.
The money that ISC would have to spend is that of the shareholders of ISC. Not one cent of NASCAR money would be used to do it.
There is a difference between NASCAR and ISC. A big one.
Clay

AOL

#46 Mar 20, 2007
MarkL wrote:
Some would even have you believe that Indy is less important since the split happened.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Indianapolis is made more relevent by The Brickyard 400, the second most important race on the Nextel Cup schedule, and the USGP. Before Tony George ran Indy, the Speedway was one race, and one month of activity. Now, three commanding weekends of racing that get the attention of the entire racing world, enhance the tradition of the Brickyard.
Indy is the IRL's cornerstone, just as Daytona is that of NASCAR. Because of Indy, and the fact that NASCAR wanted to be there, the IRL races at NASCAR tracks, and has a solid schedule that makes them year to year, a more legit force in the world of American motorsport. Would the IRL be testing at Daytona in the preseason, and getting more media coverage if not for NASCAR's presence at Indy?
When you look at were CART has been - failure on ovals in Germany and England, failed promotions in street races from San Jose to Miami. You get the impression that stability, eventhough that is something they want, is in the hands of promoters who come and go. Fixed facilities are the bedrock of any series. ChampCar is tetering on the brink of being some kind of gypsy league, while the IRL continues to be consistant in its scheduling and its phlilosophy. George has not been inflexable. By adding Watkins Glen, and Infineon, he has said yes to versitility, just as the old USAC indycar championship did when it made stops at places like Riverside.
Again, I have not been a Tony George fan in the past, but this guy is smart enough to realize that it is better to go out on your own terms, especially when you have the most to lose. When I hear Robin Miller take shots at him, I get the impression that Miller has his own personal axe to grind, and has no idea of the responsibiility that is Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
George continues to protect his interests by owning his own team, which supports his series, which supports his family's shining jewel. He has the money to do it because the IRL, and the expanded acing program at Indianapolis makes him a ton of money.
This is nobody's fool. I have grown to respect this man, and I am sure that people like Penske, Haas, Rahal, and others who WERE CART have a whole lot more respect for him now as well.
Hey Mark,

So Tony couldn't have had the Brickyard 400 and the USGP without creating the IRL? Also, do you remember the first year of the IRL when Tony ordered Robin Miller's press credentials pulled because he was saying things that he didn't like? Only after the entire press corp threatend to leave the speedway did Tony give his credentials back.

Tony is someone who should of been fired by his mother and sisters long ago. If the speedway was a public company he certainly would of been. The fact that Nascar races at the speedway is no accomplishment. Tony is a major reason for Nascars success! I have been to every Indy 500 since 1977. I remember what it was.....and I see what it is today........what a shame!
gomerboy

Winchester, KY

#47 Mar 20, 2007
MarkL wrote:
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As for HAAS - You can hate somebody and respect them at the same time. The late Dale Earnhardt was the perfect example for that.
George has MULTIPLE streams of revenue including NASCAR. He would be a fool to not being them to Indy!
That my friend is SMART. Give the man credit for that. Oops, it looks like you did!
Robin Miller is liberal with his venum for anything in American open-wheels and NASCAR which truely leads me to believe that he is just a wholesale hater with nothing better to do but dissiminate that hate via his typewriter.
DOOD, The IRL EASILY has a more reccognizable schedule than that of ChampCar. Myopic, moi? Note that I said that I thought that George was initially NUTS for defecting from CART (look it up). Today, he looks more like a genious for what he did. There were nine cars that showed up for ChampCar preseason testing. Paul Gentilozzi is buying up ChampCar teams wholesale right now trying to give them a decent shot at anything nearly resembling a full field. Carl HAAS? Haas is fielding a bottom feeder NASCAR Busch series team right now!
Who trumped who?
I am not in the practice of name calling so I will just say that money talks and Bulldroppings fertilize the grass at Indy.
No, I am not an employee of Tony George but if I were, I am sure that I would not be worried in the least about where my next check is coming from. Too bad that the employees of ChampCar cannot say the same!
what a complete gomer.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#48 Mar 20, 2007
Clay, I think I recall that it was Ed Hinton (during his Sports Illustrated days) who George threatened with the press pass pull. Although I think George was dead wrong with that threat, Sports Illustrated HAD decided to boycott the Indy 500 in 1996, thus taking sides in the open wheel feud. I think that was a case where both sides bore some responsibility.

Was Robin Miller threatened too? Could be...
Clay wrote:
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Hey Mark,
So Tony couldn't have had the Brickyard 400 and the USGP without creating the IRL? Also, do you remember the first year of the IRL when Tony ordered Robin Miller's press credentials pulled because he was saying things that he didn't like? Only after the entire press corp threatend to leave the speedway did Tony give his credentials back.
Tony is someone who should of been fired by his mother and sisters long ago. If the speedway was a public company he certainly would of been. The fact that Nascar races at the speedway is no accomplishment. Tony is a major reason for Nascars success! I have been to every Indy 500 since 1977. I remember what it was.....and I see what it is today........what a shame!

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#49 Mar 20, 2007
All due respect, I doubt that TG would be fired if IMS were public. By all accounts it makes more money than ever before (admitting with that the decisions---some good some bad---for fans of the 500 itself).
Clay wrote:
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Hey Mark,
So Tony couldn't have had the Brickyard 400 and the USGP without creating the IRL? Also, do you remember the first year of the IRL when Tony ordered Robin Miller's press credentials pulled because he was saying things that he didn't like? Only after the entire press corp threatend to leave the speedway did Tony give his credentials back.
Tony is someone who should of been fired by his mother and sisters long ago. If the speedway was a public company he certainly would of been. The fact that Nascar races at the speedway is no accomplishment. Tony is a major reason for Nascars success! I have been to every Indy 500 since 1977. I remember what it was.....and I see what it is today........what a shame!
Two Time winner

United States

#50 Mar 20, 2007
hello Nellie, I like the way you think. I too go to a lot of the races, How would you like to hook up and talk more about CART and the IRL?
Two Time winner

United States

#51 Mar 20, 2007
I am a old CART man myself and felt it was the best raceing ever. Champ Car is'nt what CART was thats for sure. I enjoy the IRL and also would like to see them get back together.
Two Time winner

United States

#52 Mar 20, 2007
Robin Miller is the best guy to report on IRL and Champ Car, He knows what hes talking about. I miss his stuff in the "Indy Star"
cNp

Deputy, IN

#53 Mar 20, 2007
Indycarmike57 wrote:
All due respect, I doubt that TG would be fired if IMS were public. By all accounts it makes more money than ever before (admitting with that the decisions---some good some bad---for fans of the 500 itself).
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and you know this exactly how????

link please or shaduuup with your bootlicking.
Nellie of the North

Chicago, IL

#54 Mar 20, 2007
Well, Two Time Winner, I have been looking for someone to get AJ Foyt IV's autograph for me. I got time the last weekend of May.
Two Time winner

United States

#55 Mar 20, 2007
Nellie, i'm free then too. And i will try to get you that auto of him.
Clay

AOL

#56 Mar 20, 2007
Indycarmike57 wrote:
All due respect, I doubt that TG would be fired if IMS were public. By all accounts it makes more money than ever before (admitting with that the decisions---some good some bad---for fans of the 500 itself).
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Hey Mike,

I grew up in Chicago and graduated from Illinois State U. and I've been here for 17 years...we need to talk.....I know a bunch of Indy insiders and in fact I've driven parade cars for the past 5 years....e-mail me at [email protected] If you like it here so much I can introduce you to some people while you're here...

Jim
Nellie of the North

Chicago, IL

#57 Mar 20, 2007
You're on, Two Time Winner. I'll meet you behind the concession stand across from the entrance to Gasoline Alley. Don't stand behind the fence, though, because people will just stand right in front of you when you want to see anything.
Two Time winner

United States

#58 Mar 21, 2007
okay Nellie I'll see you there :)
MarkL

Chesterfield, MO

#59 Mar 22, 2007
Clay wrote:
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Hey Mark,
So Tony couldn't have had the Brickyard 400 and the USGP without creating the IRL? Also, do you remember the first year of the IRL when Tony ordered Robin Miller's press credentials pulled because he was saying things that he didn't like? Only after the entire press corp threatend to leave the speedway did Tony give his credentials back.
Tony is someone who should of been fired by his mother and sisters long ago. If the speedway was a public company he certainly would of been. The fact that Nascar races at the speedway is no accomplishment. Tony is a major reason for Nascars success! I have been to every Indy 500 since 1977. I remember what it was.....and I see what it is today........what a shame!
Look man, I am not the alter praising Tony George lover, that some are making me out to be. What I am is a guy who sees George making lemonade from lemons.

The Month of May is not as money making as it was before the split. Pole day qualifying used to half pack the place, now nobody shows up. YES the month of May has suffered, but the loss in revenue is more than made up in the money gained from from the USGP and the Brickyard 400.

Say what you want about the month of May, The Speedway is not as dependant on it as it once was. Indianapolis was the only major facility in the US that had only one major event on it. Today, it has three. Nobody in their right mind would spit at them for that. Those events have ENHANCED the reputation of Indy, not hurt it.

Why would Mari Hulman George fire somebody who has made more money for the Speedway than anyone else in history? That would have been like the NFL firing Pete Rozelle! You guys fire off these opinions like you actually know what Indy is making. OK, maybe I don't but the naming rights to the Brickyard 400 alone must make up for the reveune lost from the month of May!

Indy is not pubicly owned. The IRL is not pubicly owned. They will never be owned by the public because the George family does not want to, and will not want to expand outside of that world. You people are throwing stones at a house made of stone. George was never in a bad financial position. That is why the gamble worked. If he needed CART, he would have kept CART at Indy. When he booted them, he had the financial surplus to start the IRL and keep Indy the centerpiece of a series that was American in focus.

Like I said, it did not make sense at the time, but it does now considering what CART has become.

Open wheels could go to hell in a handbasket tommorrow and NASCAR would run the Indy 500. Do you think that would hurt the George family?

Let me answer that for you, NO.

As for Robin Miller, NOBODY stood up for him, they stood up for the principal of a media member being stripped of his credential because of his editorial opinion. Robin Miller is just as dispised by his peers as he is by people outside of it.

I've never been called a GOMER before. Can't be that bad, the guy who called me that, named HIMSELF that before he read me opinion!

Go fig...
Steve

Sydney, Australia

#60 Mar 29, 2007
I miss Miller aswell. Straight to the point, no BS and he truly cares for open wheel not worrying about a business or bottom line.
I find it amazing how people think the IRL is strong these days, by no means am I saying that ChampCar is strong. They are both getting more insignificant by the day, same for the Indy 500

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