Racers, beware: Speed spies lurk

Racers, beware: Speed spies lurk

There are 55 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from May 22, 2007, titled Racers, beware: Speed spies lurk. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The e-mail showed a picture of two men strolling pit road at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, one with a long-lens camera draped around his neck.

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Old Guy

Noblesville, IN

#41 May 23, 2007
USAC (or USUCK) HAD a stock car division and Foyt and Mario Spaghettio both competed in it as well as hundreds of other open wheel drivers. The 500 is a spectacle. The hundreds of thousands of fans who have attended aren't all race fans, and there is nothing wrong with being a spectacle fan. Fans of auto racing will be in the stands of bull rings all around Indiana this weekend and every weekend this summer. There will be more car and engine combinations at the five (that I know of) Micro races in Indiana this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Driving talent and luck can overcome cubic dollars when there aren't wings to use for crutches. Racing for fun is still a gas.
the truth

Ft Mitchell, KY

#42 May 23, 2007
ok idiots. this is memorial day weekend. take your choice of nascar, indy, or monaco. have a great weekend and enjoy the best.
Bubba

United States

#43 May 23, 2007
I'll be watching NASCAR.A race with all men driving real cars, not glorified go carts that even girls can get in a drive. And they didn't even have to go drag out a bunch of old hasbeens to fill the field.Indy 500 has become a circus and has lost all credibility.
Bert Baker

Channahon, IL

#44 May 23, 2007
Chris, just relax. Deep down you know CCWS is weak.
StillA500Fan

Indianapolis, IN

#45 May 23, 2007
Chris wrote:
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Two of them at the Milwaukee Mile. It convinced me even more why I prefer Champ Car.
But I did get some good photos of AJ.
This will be the first year in a long time I won't be making a visit to the Mile. The trip to Road America for Champ Car and the ALMS is a lot more entertaining. That is Crystal clear
Dude you live in Milwaukee and that is what you are basing your observations on? Come on, let's be real. While Wisconsin has produced Matt Kenseth, that is hardly a hot bed for racing. So far you have mentioned a whopping 2 races that you have attended. And I am the one who is narrow minded. They are both struggling like never before. If you actually think that Champ Car is successful you need a reality check. I never said IRL was successful but modeling their business practices after Champ Car is hardly what needs to happen. In a perfect world they would be back together and have the best from open wheel in every race. Due to egos and logistical nightmares for teams that would have to change their whole inventory of cars, that wn't happen. But come on man, have you ever been outside of Wisconsin to a race? If you had you would have mentioned it by now. All I have heard is something about Road America and ALMS.
StillA500Fan

Indianapolis, IN

#46 May 23, 2007
Chris wrote:
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Maybe Tony George should have made the presentation to the NFL for Indy to host the Superbowl. It's obvious he knows how to nurture and grow a business. Look at Indy in 1995 and look at it now. What a track record of success. It's got to be painful living there.
Uh, you are talking about this kind of stuff because Wisconsin is the center of the sporting world? What has happened in Wisconsin as far as athletics, or anything for that matter, in the past 5 or 6 years? Nothing. Hell your basketball team even tanked the last part of the season to try and land A HOOSIER PRODUCT (Oden). You guys couldn't even get that right. By hey not all is lost, you may still end up with a Hooiser product in Conley.
StillA500Fan

Indianapolis, IN

#47 May 23, 2007
Homer wrote:
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You must not have been alive during those times. Neither AJ nor Mario "were leaving open wheel to go race NASCAR". The actual facts are that both Mario and AJ went down and cherry-picked the Daytona 500. Foyt ran a handful of NASCAR races (most often just Dayton), but to the best of my recollection, that was the only one Mario ever ran. To their everlasting credit, the only NASCAR drivers capable of making the same case was Bobby Allison and the Yarboroughs.Off the top of my head, I cannot recall another single NASCAR driver who could drive both forms of racing (Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon do not count, as they were originally Indycar drivers).
You are correct in that NASCAR has very little technology, but no, I'm not talking about the new wing (ironic indeed, that one). No, I'm talking about the SAFER barrier, developed by the IRL, the HANS device, the seatbelts, the composite seats, the fuel cells -- all came from Indycar. I can really only think of a single technological innovation that NASCAR came up with by itself, and that is the roof flaps.
And no, Indycar safety did not come from F1, in fact up until recent times, F1 had much worse safety features than Indycar has ever had. The main reason F1 never raced at Indy was because the cars weren't strong enough to absorb the impact (you might notice they race on the road course, and that's part of the equation incidentally).
Indycar has always led the way in technology, and that was paid for with the lives of men who drove Indycars. The fuel bladders were paid for by the lives of Swede Savage and others during the '70s, the HANS device by Jovie Marcello and others at Indy, the foot boxes by Rick Mears and others, and the seatbelt and helmet techology by Bill Simpson who actually was a driving "test dummy" in Indycars for the safety equipment he created. It's an insult for NASCRAPPERs to get up there and talk about those safety features as if *they* created them (which they often do).
A 500 fan should know all that.
I am just going to touch on one point to disporve evverything that you just got done rambling about, the HANS device. The HANS device was developed i nthe 80's by a professor at Michigan State University. It was tested at IMSA sports car races in the late 80's. Incidentally, who were those IMSA tracks owned by? That would be France, the France of NASCAR. Back to my point. In the early 90's Formula One got wind of the HANS device when they were developing their airbag system. In the late 90's the airbag system was scrapped after Mercedes-Benz had tested the HANS. In 2001 Champ Car and Formula One made it mandatory. I has been available since 1991 to install in race cars. I'll give you the development of the walls. However the HANS device and much of the other stuff was not created by and put into play by Indy Car. Come on someone with a little bit of intelligence like yourself would have surely looked up where the HANS came from before speaking up.
StillA500Fan

Indianapolis, IN

#48 May 23, 2007
Homer wrote:
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You must not have been alive during those times. Neither AJ nor Mario "were leaving open wheel to go race NASCAR". The actual facts are that both Mario and AJ went down and cherry-picked the Daytona 500. Foyt ran a handful of NASCAR races (most often just Dayton), but to the best of my recollection, that was the only one Mario ever ran. To their everlasting credit, the only NASCAR drivers capable of making the same case was Bobby Allison and the Yarboroughs. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall another single NASCAR driver who could drive both forms of racing (Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon do not count, as they were originally Indycar drivers).
You are correct in that NASCAR has very little technology, but no, I'm not talking about the new wing (ironic indeed, that one). No, I'm talking about the SAFER barrier, developed by the IRL, the HANS device, the seatbelts, the composite seats, the fuel cells -- all came from Indycar. I can really only think of a single technological innovation that NASCAR came up with by itself, and that is the roof flaps.
And no, Indycar safety did not come from F1, in fact up until recent times, F1 had much worse safety features than Indycar has ever had. The main reason F1 never raced at Indy was because the cars weren't strong enough to absorb the impact (you might notice they race on the road course, and that's part of the equation incidentally).
Indycar has always led the way in technology, and that was paid for with the lives of men who drove Indycars. The fuel bladders were paid for by the lives of Swede Savage and others during the '70s, the HANS device by Jovie Marcello and others at Indy, the foot boxes by Rick Mears and others, and the seatbelt and helmet techology by Bill Simpson who actually was a driving "test dummy" in Indycars for the safety equipment he created. It's an insult for NASCRAPPERs to get up there and talk about those safety features as if *they* created them (which they often do).
A 500 fan should know all that.
I love the history of the Indy 400 and the IRL/CART. All the way from when the Speedway was built up through the 70's and into the 80's the Indy cars have been cutting edge. However since they have started limiting speed, The Speedway and the IRL have not been at the forefront of technology. Instead of developing technology, they are have been forced to do what NASCAR crewcheifs do, put bad fuel into cars to get a so called advantage (that was sarcasm). The IRL and NASCAR (or NASCRAPPERS as you would say) are not so different anymore. They are both very limited by what they are told they can and can't do. Sure IRL runs ethanol. Sooner or later that will take off (won't it?) and George will be credited for the advancement of that and you go back to getting on your knees for him. You are right I don't know EVERYTHING about Indy like your highness, but I know enough to hold my end of the argument. As for the IRL being all mighty and developing everything, they better get with CART and get back together if they want any prayer at getting where NASCAR is. There is a reason why the purse for the Indy 500 is around $10 million and the Daytona 500 was $18 million.
sealionindy

United States

#49 May 23, 2007
Gary wrote:
Chris must be one of the knuckle-draggers who think NASCAR is best. How boring! IRL on the Milwaukee Mile is some of the best racing in the world...closer than sprinters on half-mile dirt.
Gotta agree Gary, A knuckle dragger to post comments like that.
Chris

Appleton, WI

#50 May 24, 2007
StillA500Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, you are talking about this kind of stuff because Wisconsin is the center of the sporting world? What has happened in Wisconsin as far as athletics, or anything for that matter, in the past 5 or 6 years? Nothing. Hell your basketball team even tanked the last part of the season to try and land A HOOSIER PRODUCT (Oden). You guys couldn't even get that right. By hey not all is lost, you may still end up with a Hooiser product in Conley.
Are you in the right forum here? Who cares about basketball? This forum is about racing.
Chris

Appleton, WI

#51 May 24, 2007
sealionindy wrote:
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Gotta agree Gary, A knuckle dragger to post comments like that.
Obviosly you did not read many of my posts before commenting. I didn't think Indiana was the south but these comments are making me rethink my views. Maybe it really is NASCAR hillbilly country there.
Homer

Mount Prospect, IL

#52 May 24, 2007
StillA500Fan wrote:
<quoted text>I am just going to touch on one point to disporve evverything that you just got done rambling about, the HANS device. The HANS device was developed i nthe 80's by a professor at Michigan State University. It was tested at IMSA sports car races in the late 80's. Incidentally, who were those IMSA tracks owned by? That would be France, the France of NASCAR. Back to my point. In the early 90's Formula One got wind of the HANS device when they were developing their airbag system. In the late 90's the airbag system was scrapped after Mercedes-Benz had tested the HANS. In 2001 Champ Car and Formula One made it mandatory. I has been available since 1991 to install in race cars. I'll give you the development of the walls. However the HANS device and much of the other stuff was not created by and put into play by Indy Car. Come on someone with a little bit of intelligence like yourself would have surely looked up where the HANS came from before speaking up.
You spout that like you know what you are talking about, and your Hitler logic of "disproving" one thing (a dubious claim at best) one would mean you "disproved everything" is laughable.

As a famous president once said, "there are lies, there are damned lies, then there are statistics". Sure, the universities develop some racing technologies -- this happens in most fields. But the testing, the analysis and the need all came from Indycar. And you conveniently ignored Bill Simpson's work, to the best of my knowledge never affiliated with any organization. The fuel bladders, the safety harness, the seats, the helmets, all Simpson.

And those IMSA tracks you spout about France -- he bought all that up after the fact. Everyone thinks that NASCAR has owned all these tracks forever, but the truth is that its only been in the last decade that NASCAR has taken their marketing money and consolidated ownership of the tracks.

Next time, save me the drivel instead of making some Nazi statement like you are disproving anything.
Homo

Mount Shasta, CA

#53 May 27, 2008
Homer wrote:
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You spout that like you know what you are talking about, and your Hitler logic of "disproving" one thing (a dubious claim at best) one would mean you "disproved everything" is laughable.
As a famous president once said, "there are lies, there are damned lies, then there are statistics". Sure, the universities develop some racing technologies -- this happens in most fields. But the testing, the analysis and the need all came from Indycar. And you conveniently ignored Bill Simpson's work, to the best of my knowledge never affiliated with any organization. The fuel bladders, the safety harness, the seats, the helmets, all Simpson.
And those IMSA tracks you spout about France -- he bought all that up after the fact. Everyone thinks that NASCAR has owned all these tracks forever, but the truth is that its only been in the last decade that NASCAR has taken their marketing money and consolidated ownership of the tracks.
Next time, save me the drivel instead of making some Nazi statement like you are disproving anything.
You're wrong.
Fig speaking

Mount Shasta, CA

#54 May 27, 2008
sealionindy wrote:
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Gotta agree Gary, A knuckle dragger to post comments like that.
Hummm
Lost

Tewksbury, MA

#55 May 27, 2008
is this from last year? oops.

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