Slam, bang farewell to MIS

Slam, bang farewell to MIS

There are 138 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Aug 6, 2007, titled Slam, bang farewell to MIS. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Dario Franchitti and his Indianapolis 500-winning car endured a frightening, airborne accident Sunday on the backstretch of Michigan International Speedway.

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“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#127 Aug 9, 2007
...and the term "postal," by the way...is coming to mind right now. Get a grip, Man. We all want you back.
Chief wrote:
SKIP.....
You got to be kidding me, Tony George has NOTHING but his toys that he doesn't share. Interest is waining by the second. You think folks are happy they can't watch terrifying wrecks at Michigan anymore?
The split is over dude, IRL is the end of the road now and it's all owned by Tony George. The hate is well placed. Whether or not Michigan had 125K once is irrelevant....it doesn't anymore and that's a direct result of TONY GEORGE's influence on the sport.
Tony has no plan for the future, he has no plan for the present, there's hundreds of thousands of fans out here that hate his guts (he knows it) yet does NOTHING to heal the rift in the sport, the rift of his own doing.
INDY, the IRL and TG can all ROT in HELL for all I care. With all the press they've received from the "big one" I'll guarantee they're looking for ways have another "big one". Chicks racing does it, big ugly wrecks do too. And yes, it was a racing incident.....unfortunately with cars that are not aerodynamically sound. But that's ok because no one's been killed yet (recently). So, can't wait until Dario defys logic again and straps on another missle and does battle once again. Great job Tony! Keep up the ruination of our sport. Dolt....

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#128 Aug 9, 2007
Chris...I hate to bring up..."the letter"...but it proves, beyond ANYTHING else, that the emotion was displayed BY CART in 1995-96. TG proposed a modest series of ovals that could be participated in by BOTH SERIES' DRIVERS. Same equipment; non-competing weeks.

You and the guys all know this...I posted the letter several times, on several links, several days ago.

The timeline and facts that TG meticulously lays out, in his Fall of 1995 letter to the editor of the Indianapolis Star, proves that it was CART that obstructed the idea and acted emotionally. They changed equipment formula announcements after the IRL offered same-equipment. They forced conflicting CART calendar dates after the IRL's charter dates were harmonious to CART's.

A lot of time has passed and it's been easy to gloss over and revise history. But fans of the Indy 500 and this form of racing---particularly old farts like me---were witness to the long-forgotten arrogance that's been allowed to slink away.

Hint: Google Sir Andrew Craig. Chief...you have to do this before you go to bed tonight!:)

PS, Chris...see you at Road America this weekend! Hear those turbos scream...
Chris wrote:
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First off I do agree that for the future success of open wheel racing there has to be one united series. I have stated that numerous times. While I do place a lot of blame on TG for the state of open wheel racing’s downward spiral I do know and understand that TG will always play a large part in the politics of open wheel racing. I will always believe, regardless of any future unification that TG could have handled the situation in a more business like manner rather than an emotional manner. From the business side, the formation of the IRL was a poor decision. Racing is the only business in the world where a product can keep going due to the owners influx of cash ie. TG, KK, GF, DP and PG.
As the situation is now, current fans are seeing a sub-par product on both sides of the open wheel fence. Low car counts, drivers that have no business in an open wheel car and good venues that should be part of a unified series.
Neither side is going about attracting new fans in the right manner. I could go on and on about my personal ideas that I believe would help bring open wheel racing back to where it should be. That would probably more fun with a couple of drinks. The good thing is there are still a good number of people with a passion for open wheel racing. The foundation exists to start the building process, without unification our foundation will crumble as more people just lose interest in the ridiculous state of affairs that we call open wheel racing.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#129 Aug 9, 2007
CART Goes Public
(Courtesy of: Funding Universe)

Company Perspectives:

The Company's mission is to build America's premier open-wheel series--our core business--into a major U.S. sports and entertainment business. Subsequently, the Company will 'export' the Series to international markets through television and by racing in a limited number of major international markets. The Company will apply innovative strategies across a number of related businesses to achieve its mission. However, everything that the Company does must be evaluated on the basis of its contribution to the core business. We must achieve the mission in a manner that provides value to our key stakeholders&mdash&#82 42;omoters, sponsors, licensees, race teams, drivers, media partners and shareholders--and provides our fans with a sense of pride and 'ownership' in the Series. As a public company, we must provide competitive returns and growth to our shareholders

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#130 Aug 9, 2007
CART Goes Public (Continued)

Key Dates:

1978: CART is formed by a breakaway group of U.S. Auto Club team owners.
1979: First CART-sanctioned race is held in Phoenix, Arizona.
1986: Bobby Rahal wins $1 million for the year, first CART driver to top this mark.
1989: CART president and chairman is fired; Board is expanded to include all shareholders.
1991: First overseas race takes place in Australia.
1996: CART teams boycott Indianapolis 500, stage U.S. 500 race in Michigan instead.
1998: CART-sanctioned racing begins in Japan.
2000: Return to Indianapolis 500; CEO Andrew Craig is replaced by Bobby Rahal.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#131 Aug 9, 2007
Beginnings

CART's roots go back to the early years of the 20th century, when automobile racing (and the automobile itself) was in its infancy. Races of specially built high-speed cars drew crowds as soon as the idea was originated, with the first race held at Indianapolis Speedway in 1911. In 1955 the United States Auto Club (USAC) was formed to serve as the sanctioning body for races of the type of custom-built, open-wheel cars that were used at Indianapolis.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#132 Aug 9, 2007
(continued)

By the mid-1970s, with expenses rising and having only token representation on the USAC board of directors, a group of team owners began to push for greater control of the organization. When USAC refused their request for more input, 18 owners broke away and created their own sanctioning organization. Championship Auto Racing Teams, Inc. was formed in November of 1978, with owner U.E.'Pat' Patrick chosen as president. A total of 24 ownership shares were distributed to members of the group, with several (including Patrick and Roger Penske) receiving more than one.

In March of 1979 the first CART-sanctioned race was run. Gordon Johncock won the nationally televised 150-mile event at Phoenix International Raceway. During its first year in operation, CART produced a total of 13 races. These were organized separately from a series run by USAC, which bitterly resented the breakaway group. The antagonistic USAC refused six CART teams entry into the Indianapolis 500 that year, relenting only after CART filed a lawsuit.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#133 Aug 9, 2007
(continued)

During its first year, CART also signed a deal with PPG Industries to sponsor the 1980 CART World Series, beginning a relationship that would continue for many years. On the technical side, CART team Hall Racing introduced an innovative car during the year that utilized what was called 'ground effects.' The aerodynamically designed vehicle was literally sucked to the ground by the creation of a low-pressure area beneath it, giving it better stability and traction.

Following a successful first season, the new organization's events grew in popularity, with several additional races added to the schedule over the next decade. Top drivers such as Rick Mears (who won the first championship series, as well as back-to-back championships in 1981 and 1982), Mario Andretti, Al Unser, and Al Unser, Jr., won titles during the 1980s, with Bobby Rahal becoming the first to achieve $1 million in yearly earnings in 1986. Initially, USAC and CART both declared separate national racing champions, but this was resolved in 1982, when the groups agreed to recognize a common winner. USAC continued to sponsor the Indianapolis 500, but it had few other races of consequence, while CART's schedule typically featured 15 or more races in major markets around the United States and Canada. Unlike USAC, which favored an oval racetrack, CART races were run on several different types of courses, which required that its drivers be skilled in each racing style. Speedways such as Indianapolis, shorter oval courses, temporary road courses created in the downtown areas of large cities, and existing roadways were all used for different CART races.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#134 Aug 9, 2007
A Restructured Board from 1989

Conflict surfaced in 1989 when the CART board voted to remove Chairman John Frasco and President John Caponigro. The two executives were accused of favoring the teams of Roger Penske and Pat Patrick to the detriment of less influential members. Frasco had been chairman since 1980, and Caponigro had been in office less than a year. Following this action, CART's board was restructured to include everyone who held one or more of the 24 ownership shares. John Capels took the reins as transitional leader and chief operating officer until July of 1990, when William Stokkan was named CEO. Stokkan previously had headed the licensing and merchandising arm of Playboy Enterprises, Inc.

CART was increasing its purses at this time, with a record $1 million given out in 1989 at the Detroit Grand Prix. In 1991 the company's first overseas event debuted, the Gold Coast CART Grand Prix, held in Surfer's Paradise, Australia. That year the company also signed a four-year broadcasting contract with cable sports network ESPN. In technical matters, 1992 saw Ford re-enter the open-wheel racing field with its first series of new Indy Car engines in 21 years. Recent CART races had been dominated by Chevrolet's Ilmor engines, which had won 60 of 63 races, but Ford was able to take five of the first 16 that it entered. Other new engines were introduced by Mercedes-Benz and Honda over the next several seasons.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#135 Aug 9, 2007
CART vehicles were completely custom-built, with the cost of running a racing team as high as $10 million per year. Most teams lost money, with all relying heavily upon corporate sponsorships to remain afloat. A typical car and driver were plastered with the logos of as many as several dozen sponsors, which might include automotive companies like PPG, Valvoline, and Texaco, as well as the ubiquitous Marlboro, Budweiser, and Miller Lite. Teams were often owned by former drivers, such as Foyt and Paul Newman, or wealthy racing fans like David Letterman and Bruce McCaw.

The early 1990s saw CART experiment with a seven-member board, which was abandoned after 18 months when the larger one was reinstated. CEO Stokkan was replaced in 1994 by Andrew Craig, formerly of ISL Marketing. Craig was charged with restructuring and revitalizing CART, which had begun to lose ground against the marketing success of NASCAR-sanctioned stock-car racing. Soon after taking charge, Craig faced a crisis when a major new rift arose between CART and the sponsors of the Indianapolis 500. Tony George, whose family had run the Indianapolis race for several generations, announced new rules for qualifying to run and new technical specifications. CART's response was to remove its teams from the event and create a new $1 million race, the U.S. 500, that would be held on the same day at a speedway in Brooklyn, Michigan. For his part George announced the creation of the Indy Racing League (IRL), which was to sponsor a series of races that were intended to steal some of CART's thunder.
Mike Dawanka

Winchester, KY

#136 Aug 9, 2007
indyCARTmikey,

there's this thing called a scroll.

when you cut and paste your pro irl propoganda drivel, we all use it.

when you post your anti CCWWS venom and use Jeff Krosnoff's death in a youtube clip as a point in your spineless arguments we scroll.

when you post period .....we scroll.

Ski

“Is It Friday Yet?????”

Since: May 07

Smalltown New York

#137 Aug 10, 2007
Hey Mike....Good post. To bad it wiil be lost on some people.

Schedule for Kentucky:
Practice 1 Fri, 10 Aug :: 11:30 a.m.- 1:30 p.m.
Practice 2 Fri, 10 Aug :: 2:45 - 4:45 p.m.
Qualifying Fri, 10 Aug :: 6:15 p.m.
Race Sat, 11 Aug :: 6:30 p.m. live on ESPN2,

We will look for you on the chat.

Ski

“Is It Friday Yet?????”

Since: May 07

Smalltown New York

#138 Aug 10, 2007
Mike Dawanka wrote:
indyCARTmikey,
there's this thing called a scroll.
when you cut and paste your pro irl propoganda drivel, we all use it.
when you post your anti CCWWS venom and use Jeff Krosnoff's death in a youtube clip as a point in your spineless arguments we scroll.
when you post period .....we scroll.
Hey there troll...haven't seen you in a few days. How's life in the basement?

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#139 Aug 10, 2007
Only you would feel that the facts that were provided for potential public investors of CART was "anti CCWS venom." I'm going to the Champ Car race this weekend. Why don't you show some balls, Tony Perkins, and take the drive yourself.
Mike Dawanka wrote:
indyCARTmikey,
there's this thing called a scroll.
when you cut and paste your pro irl propoganda drivel, we all use it.
when you post your anti CCWWS venom and use Jeff Krosnoff's death in a youtube clip as a point in your spineless arguments we scroll.
when you post period .....we scroll.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#140 Aug 10, 2007
Thanks for the reminder! Can you ask Norman Bates what name he'll use so we know who he is?
Ski wrote:
Hey Mike....Good post. To bad it wiil be lost on some people.
Schedule for Kentucky:
Practice 1 Fri, 10 Aug :: 11:30 a.m.- 1:30 p.m.
Practice 2 Fri, 10 Aug :: 2:45 - 4:45 p.m.
Qualifying Fri, 10 Aug :: 6:15 p.m.
Race Sat, 11 Aug :: 6:30 p.m. live on ESPN2,
We will look for you on the chat.

“Waiting to inhale”

Since: Feb 07

Chicago

#141 Aug 10, 2007
Norman...actually, the Funding Universe perspective completely glosses over the chronology of the actual split, for obvious reason. But it accurately lays out the instability of leadership in that organization in the years prior to the split that NO one talks about.
Mike Dawanka wrote:
indyCARTmikey,
there's this thing called a scroll.
when you cut and paste your pro irl propoganda drivel, we all use it.
when you post your anti CCWWS venom and use Jeff Krosnoff's death in a youtube clip as a point in your spineless arguments we scroll.
when you post period .....we scroll.
VAindycar

Braddock Heights, MD

#142 Aug 10, 2007
Ditto Ski's sentiment Mike, some of us don't know the background on the "rise and fall" of CART... at least you back up your position. These other clowns are simply haters with no constructive retort... "go to hell" and cynical post names; ridiculous.

Ski

“Is It Friday Yet?????”

Since: May 07

Smalltown New York

#143 Aug 10, 2007
Indycarmike57 wrote:
Thanks for the reminder! Can you ask Norman Bates what name he'll use so we know who he is?
<quoted text>
I think we will know ol' Norman as soon as he types his first message. It will be the one that makes no sense what so ever.

“"Racing Rules"”

Since: Dec 06

NHRA

#144 Aug 10, 2007
Happy Friday everyone! See you all on Livestream!

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