Rough times for 500-winning cars

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What happens to cars that win the Indianapolis 500? Two of the past three have flipped upside down during a subsequent IndyCar race.
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cooper

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#1
Aug 10, 2007
 
irl truly has the best racing of any series. no one can match 200mph side by side lap after lap...i think the problem is that they go so fast it is hard to focus on the cars to tell who is who. the cars do not have the big side panel to put big numbers on to be able to easily see which car is which...if you follow the series then it is easier, but for the casual fan, it is hard to tell. but the racing is by far the best. taking my son to the race in kentucky tomorrow night.....can't wait!!!
spin and win

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#2
Aug 10, 2007
 
when will spin and win be flip and win? a formally flipped car will win a race some day. luv irl. keep it charging forward!!!
CareerLeader

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#3
Aug 10, 2007
 
Yeah, IRL is great. I can tell by all of the empty seats at the north side of the track every May.

Seriously, there have been what, 6 drivers win this year? The only time somebody outside of AGR, Penske, or Ganassi has sniffed the podium was at Iowa and Michigan where half of the field wrecked out.

Yeah the racing up front is great, but if you look at the entire pack, it's a joke.

The racing package the IRL came up with means everybody goes the same speed lap after lap. The only way to get ahead is to find a sponsor that will allow you to spend tens of millions on R&D to buy yourself some speed. 3 teams did it, the rest didn't and it shows on race day, pole day and in championship points.

This pack racing is also going to result in the death of a driver or spectators.

It doesn't matter how safe the cars are. When you've got a race where 4 drivers have marks all over their helmets after accidents you've got a ticking time bomb.

I'm glad the cars are safer than before, but that doesn't mean they should be driven into situations where the limits are tested week after week.

Get rid of the downforce, gap the field a little bit, reduce corner speeds while increasing straightaway speeds, and for God's sake find a way to make the backmarkers competitive again.
Lawrence Stoen

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#4
Aug 10, 2007
 
Thanks for turning my question yesterday into a full story. Are the days of Indianapolis 500 winning race cars retiring to the IMS Hall of Fame Museum over? What is the last winner to be added to their collection or to be put on display? Thanks, again.
Indy Fan

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Aug 10, 2007
 
CareerLeader wrote:
Yeah, IRL is great. I can tell by all of the empty seats at the north side of the track every May.
Seriously, there have been what, 6 drivers win this year? The only time somebody outside of AGR, Penske, or Ganassi has sniffed the podium was at Iowa and Michigan where half of the field wrecked out.
Yeah the racing up front is great, but if you look at the entire pack, it's a joke.
The racing package the IRL came up with means everybody goes the same speed lap after lap. The only way to get ahead is to find a sponsor that will allow you to spend tens of millions on R&D to buy yourself some speed. 3 teams did it, the rest didn't and it shows on race day, pole day and in championship points.
This pack racing is also going to result in the death of a driver or spectators.
It doesn't matter how safe the cars are. When you've got a race where 4 drivers have marks all over their helmets after accidents you've got a ticking time bomb.
I'm glad the cars are safer than before, but that doesn't mean they should be driven into situations where the limits are tested week after week.
Get rid of the downforce, gap the field a little bit, reduce corner speeds while increasing straightaway speeds, and for God's sake find a way to make the backmarkers competitive again.
And how is this different from any other racing series out there? NASCAR has Hendrick, Gibbs & Roush, F1 has Ferrari and McLaren. All of them have back markers that are not competitive.
Bye Bye Open Wheelers

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#6
Aug 10, 2007
 
The IRL has been playing Russian Rolette with the drivers and fans since day 1. They got bit at Charlotte years ago and have been lucky ever since. The IRL's formula of open wheel cars side by side at 170-200mph+, lap after lap, simulating NASCAR's formula is a tragedy waiting to happen again.
cooper

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Aug 10, 2007
 
CareerLeader wrote:
Yeah, IRL is great. I can tell by all of the empty seats at the north side of the track every May.
Seriously, there have been what, 6 drivers win this year? The only time somebody outside of AGR, Penske, or Ganassi has sniffed the podium was at Iowa and Michigan where half of the field wrecked out.
Yeah the racing up front is great, but if you look at the entire pack, it's a joke.
The racing package the IRL came up with means everybody goes the same speed lap after lap. The only way to get ahead is to find a sponsor that will allow you to spend tens of millions on R&D to buy yourself some speed. 3 teams did it, the rest didn't and it shows on race day, pole day and in championship points.
This pack racing is also going to result in the death of a driver or spectators.
It doesn't matter how safe the cars are. When you've got a race where 4 drivers have marks all over their helmets after accidents you've got a ticking time bomb.
I'm glad the cars are safer than before, but that doesn't mean they should be driven into situations where the limits are tested week after week.
Get rid of the downforce, gap the field a little bit, reduce corner speeds while increasing straightaway speeds, and for God's sake find a way to make the backmarkers competitive again.
so, you want to see backmarkers competitive?? who watches the backmarkers in any race. they are not competitve..hence...backmarker s..there are backmarkers in any race...any series. in any series there are dominate teams...apparently you are not much of a fan to realize this. agr has 5 cars, penske 2, ganassi 2..that is almost half the field. nascar has dominate teams, f-1 has dominate teams..champ car..1 dom driver. but i guess if we make the backmarkers comp. then they will all be up front...and no backmarkers?? if you can't like side by side at 200mph with 4-8 cars in lead pack...then go watch poker!! as for empty seats...not enough positive press and even nascar is fighting lower attendance....go watch a race where you can see the whole track...you will enjoy..

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#8
Aug 10, 2007
 
Get rid of downforce...that's brilliant. What a marooon.
Indy RIP 1911-1995

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#9
Aug 10, 2007
 
THey should lower the downforce to the point where a car can not hug the white line all the way around the track, lap after lap. You should have enough to get through the turn at Michigan to the point where you exit the tun next to the wall. Not white line fever
Big Snarky Swede

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#10
Aug 10, 2007
 
At the beginning of the season when cars were suddenly spread out and there was less passing, you people were yelling "boring!" Now it's packed up again and the formula's got too much downforce. Make up your friggin mind! Or do you just prefer to piss and moan?
CareerLeader wrote:
Yeah, IRL is great. I can tell by all of the empty seats at the north side of the track every May.
Seriously, there have been what, 6 drivers win this year? The only time somebody outside of AGR, Penske, or Ganassi has sniffed the podium was at Iowa and Michigan where half of the field wrecked out.
Yeah the racing up front is great, but if you look at the entire pack, it's a joke.
The racing package the IRL came up with means everybody goes the same speed lap after lap. The only way to get ahead is to find a sponsor that will allow you to spend tens of millions on R&D to buy yourself some speed. 3 teams did it, the rest didn't and it shows on race day, pole day and in championship points.
This pack racing is also going to result in the death of a driver or spectators.
It doesn't matter how safe the cars are. When you've got a race where 4 drivers have marks all over their helmets after accidents you've got a ticking time bomb.
I'm glad the cars are safer than before, but that doesn't mean they should be driven into situations where the limits are tested week after week.
Get rid of the downforce, gap the field a little bit, reduce corner speeds while increasing straightaway speeds, and for God's sake find a way to make the backmarkers competitive again.
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#11
Aug 10, 2007
 
IMS should require the winning car be sent over to the museum right after the win, just like Daytona does with NASCAR. If the IRL teams can't afford that, then it is yet more evidence that Indycar racing just isn't where it should be.

Since: Apr 07

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#12
Aug 10, 2007
 
No Indy 500, or Daytona 500 car should ever be raced again.

I do not belive that Penske does it, and DEI has three D500 winning cars that are retired.
Well

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#13
Aug 10, 2007
 
I thought the IMS Museum always got the winning car?
Indy Joe

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#14
Aug 10, 2007
 
ALL Daytona 500 Winning cars go to the Museum right after the race.
Bye Bye Open Wheelers

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Aug 10, 2007
 
"I thought the IMS Museum always got the winning car?". NO. Ford Motor Company has Jimmy Clark's 1965 car in their museum at Greenfield Village. And there's a big question mark surrounding a lot of the ones the IMS Museum has including Foyt's; read the fine wording description on many of the display signs. He was very coy when he reduced his inventory and gave/sold away his collection of cars. If I'm not mistaken there where 3 cars that were being said to be his 4th Indy 500 winning car. Nobody knew for sure which was which.

As for automatically taking the winning car to the musuem; NASCAR is paying the winning team for the loss of that car. I'm sure Daytona USA charges more than $3.00 to visit and has a lot more visitors per year than the speedway's musuem. NASCAR and Daytona have the sponsors and money coming in hand over fist therefore they can do all of that and pay out the biggest purse too$$$ Sadly the Indy 500 has lost pace and it's place!
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#17
Aug 10, 2007
 
The only place a crapwagon should go is into a crusher. All of them. But FTG likes to see shiny things go zoom and fly, so you have this abomination masquerading as 'racing. Only idiots and paid Hulmaista shills believe the fraud his inheritance puts on every May is an actual Indianapolis 500.
(Note: NASCAR does not keep the Daytona 500 cars, they are returned to the team after 1 year.)

So check out Jack 'cheesegrater' Arute's interview with the Dim One during the rain delay! Yes, everything is swell! FTG is the mumbling cokehead version of the Iraqi information minister!


I'm pretty sure Tony Hulman died of utter disgust.
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#18
Aug 10, 2007
 
flying crapwagons.

we should start a driver/fan death pool.

toney gorge and brian brainfart are paid in players. their payout is much needed publicity.

whatever it takes to grow the vision.
Gomer Condre

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#19
Aug 10, 2007
 
Sebastien Bourdais is going (to be a backmarker) in F1. Will the Scuderia Gomerati now claim this is another example of an earl 'pilot' going to F1, since both he and JPM survived the deathwagons at the track where drunky Al says they carry you out on a stretcher?

The lying liars of the 'vision' will stop at nothing to, well, just keep lying and pretending that garbage is 'racing'. Ha. No one is buying the product.

Jan Shaffer lies a lot. How's his scotchygen tank holding up?

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#20
Aug 11, 2007
 
Indy Joe wrote:
ALL Daytona 500 Winning cars go to the Museum right after the race.
They only stay there for a year.
Kerry

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#21
Aug 12, 2007
 
As a HUGE Indy 500 fan since 1984, I gotta say that I am sorely dissappointed in what the League has become. I used to like the fact that it was Indy cars that were always on the cutting edge of technology, and every year you went you could always expect the cars to be a little faster than the year before.

The powers that be have really made a mistake by turning a "modified" league into a "stock" league. For those that don't know what that means - stock means that the rules force everyone to drive the exact same car with nearly the exact same setup in order to not give any driver an advantage, making for a closer race.

Well let me let you in on a secret - Indy Car races are LESS exciting now than they EVER were. What does that tell you? Indy fans don't think races are exciting because they are close. Yeah that helps, but Indy fans want blinding speed and interesting new technology. Do you realize that the basic design of the indy car has not change hardly at all since the 70's? But before that the designs were changing every couple of years.

Some people here might say, "Well I think that the real reason that the League sucks is because of the split." I see it differently. The split in the league is just the symptom of the problem. The split is one of the "effects". The CAUSE is everything that I have written above.

Get rid of restrictor plates and let the teams choose whatever engine and setup they want. The only thing you should be restricting are the general details like dimensions, and Safety issues like fuel tank design, location and size. Other than that, let it be a free-for-all, like it was for 70 years.

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