Obama hits smokers with fines (or tax...

Obama hits smokers with fines (or tax, whatever you want to call it)

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Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#1 Jan 27, 2013
If you are 5' and weigh 400 lbs, ObamaCare does not effect you. If you are on alcohol and drink a fifth a day, this does not effect you. If you are a druggy and shoot up ten times a day, don't worry, this does not effect you.

But if you have worked hard doing you life and never had a handout from the taxpayers and you smoke, this does effect you.

Smokers, beware: tobacco penalties under President Obama’s Affordable Care Act could subject millions of smokers to fees costing thousands of dollars, making healthcare more expensive for them than Americans with other unhealthy habits.

The Affordable Care Act, which critics have also called “Obamacare”, could subject smokers to premiums that are 50 percent higher than usual, starting next Jan 1. Health insurers will be allowed to charge smokers penalties that overweight Americans or those with other health conditions would not be subjected to.

A 60-year-old smoker could pay penalties as high as $5,100, in addition to the premiums, the Associated Press reports. A 55-year-old smoker’s penalty could reach $4,250. The older a smoker is, the higher the penalty will be. Nearly one in every five U.S. adults smokes, with a higher number of low-income people addicted to the unhealthy habit.

So I would say if you smoke and can get by with it, stop working and let medicaid take care of you. Or you can lie to all health professional about you smoking. Next will be a blood test to see if you have nicotine in your system.
GOOD

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Jan 27, 2013
Good! Hope they go up $10,000 a pack!

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#4 Jan 27, 2013
Not let. I can show you how to pay $1. a pack or less. But my point is why is this tax not put on other people that is ruining their health by their own choice? People can lose weight. They can stop the drug use. Why is this tax not put on pot smokers? I see another lawsuit coming this year. I would gladly join in it.
GOOD wrote:
Good! Hope they go up $10,000 a pack!

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#5 Jan 27, 2013
This proves my point. http://www.indystar.com/usatoday/article/1867...

Annual health care costs are roughly $96 billion for smokers and $147 billion for the obese, the government says. These costs accompany sometimes heroic attempts to prolong lives, including surgery, chemotherapy and other measures.

So the fat people now pass smokers in cost of health care.

"But despite these rescue attempts, smokers tend to die 10 years earlier on average, and the obese die five to 12 years prematurely, according to various researchers' estimates"

You notice that they never give the age of these people.
From what I have found on the net, both groups they say would die 10 years earlier. Look at it this way. Smokers if true die 10 years early, how much are they saving you in healthcare cost? Smokers die some 10 years earlier than nonsmokers, according to the CDC, and those premature deaths provide a savings to Medicare, Social Security, private pensions and other programs. A Dutch study published last year in the Public Library of Science Medicine journal said that health care costs for smokers were about $326,000 from age 20 on, compared with about $417,000 for thin and healthy people. http://www.reporternews.com/news/2009/apr/07/...
Margaret

Trenton, NJ

#6 Jan 27, 2013
I am sick and tired of smokers being targetes all the time- I would bet that all the people who quit smoking turned to eating more and that is fueling the obesity diabetes epedemic taking the worst toll on healthcare funds.... if they are not eating too much then they are probably on prozac.. that is not free. if they became health nuts then they are excercising excessively driving costs up from knee and hip replacements.... should I go on?
I think smokers need a March on Washington and a writing campaign to their legislators.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#7 Jan 27, 2013
DavidM wrote:
If you are 5' and weigh 400 lbs, ObamaCare does not effect you. If you are on alcohol and drink a fifth a day, this does not effect you. If you are a druggy and shoot up ten times a day, don't worry, this does not effect you.
But if you have worked hard doing you life and never had a handout from the taxpayers and you smoke, this does effect you.
Smokers, beware: tobacco penalties under President Obama’s Affordable Care Act could subject millions of smokers to fees costing thousands of dollars, making healthcare more expensive for them than Americans with other unhealthy habits.
The Affordable Care Act, which critics have also called “Obamacare”, could subject smokers to premiums that are 50 percent higher than usual, starting next Jan 1. Health insurers will be allowed to charge smokers penalties that overweight Americans or those with other health conditions would not be subjected to.
A 60-year-old smoker could pay penalties as high as $5,100, in addition to the premiums, the Associated Press reports. A 55-year-old smoker’s penalty could reach $4,250. The older a smoker is, the higher the penalty will be. Nearly one in every five U.S. adults smokes, with a higher number of low-income people addicted to the unhealthy habit.
So I would say if you smoke and can get by with it, stop working and let medicaid take care of you. Or you can lie to all health professional about you smoking. Next will be a blood test to see if you have nicotine in your system.
It is comments like this that make me glad I am 5'1" and only 330 lbs.
Carl

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Jan 27, 2013
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>It is comments like this that make me glad I am 5'1" and only 330 lbs.
And it is way past your bed time Ralph.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#9 Jan 28, 2013
HURL wrote:
<quoted text>And it is way past your bed time Ralph.
Any time past 19:00 is.

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