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Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. So what is there to believe in? Atheism is the belief in nothing. Sorry you don't have any hope.
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I think you are confusing atheist with agnostic. There is a big difference. Still, I understand your opinion on the topic.
Atheism is still a form of faith, and by your logic the education and credentials don't support any kind of faith. That is why I think you are talking about agnostics, which is absolute lack of faith.
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DavidM wrote:
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. So what is there to believe in? Atheism is the belief in nothing. Sorry you don't have any hope.
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Atheism is faith that God does not exist. Agnosticism is a belief that an absolute presence or lack of a God is unknown. Intellectuals want proof. On these topics, there really is no tangible proof one way or the other. Therefore, intellectuals tend to be agnostics.
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Blue collar biochemist wrote:
Nobody follows the bible, many think they do, but who actually follows the whole thing. Christians, in general, know less about the bible than atheists.
Stop braying Jackass.

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Elijah wrote:
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Stop braying Jackass.
Aw, did I hurt your feelings by insulting you little book?

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Linda Bledsoe wrote:
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I think you are confusing atheist with agnostic. There is a big difference. Still, I understand your opinion on the topic.
Atheism is still a form of faith, and by your logic the education and credentials don't support any kind of faith. That is why I think you are talking about agnostics, which is absolute lack of faith.
Atheism is not a form of faith, no more than not believing in Santa Claus. Atheism is nothing more than not believing in a god. Pretty simple. To logically look at the world and believe a deity of any kind controls it is absurd. Zero evidence in any type of god. Prayers don't work, and thankfully the vengeful, mass-murdering, rapist psychopath you call god doesn't exist.
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Blue collar biochemist wrote:
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Atheism is not a form of faith, no more than not believing in Santa Claus. Atheism is nothing more than not believing in a god. Pretty simple. To logically look at the world and believe a deity of any kind controls it is absurd. Zero evidence in any type of god. Prayers don't work, and thankfully the vengeful, mass-murdering, rapist psychopath you call god doesn't exist.
Wrong again. I thought you were educated? ;)

Atheism is a belief that there is proof of God not existing. Just because there is not proof of existence does not mean there is proof of non-existence. You keep referring to agnosticism when you try to explain what you think atheism means. It's ok. You can still get attention, just make sure you are classifying yourself correctly when making your pleas for attention.

Atheism as you suggest is pretty much identical to theism, with the only difference in the details (absolute belief vs. absolute disbelief). Agnosticism is where most high IQ individuals and academics fit. Because I have to educate you on the topic, I doubt you are as educated or intelligent as you claim.

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Wrong again. I thought you were educated? ;)
Atheism is a belief that there is proof of God not existing. Just because there is not proof of existence does not mean there is proof of non-existence. You keep referring to agnosticism when you try to explain what you think atheism means. It's ok. You can still get attention, just make sure you are classifying yourself correctly when making your pleas for attention.
Atheism as you suggest is pretty much identical to theism, with the only difference in the details (absolute belief vs. absolute disbelief). Agnosticism is where most high IQ individuals and academics fit. Because I have to educate you on the topic, I doubt you are as educated or intelligent as you claim.
Directly from Websters Dictionary:

Atheism: a disbelief in the existence of a deity.

Agnostic
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

Nothing mentioned regarding inference of proof. I do not believe in a god, therefor I am an atheist. That's really all there is to it.

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Then what you are saying is that the atheist does not believe in anything but themselves.
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Atheism is not a form of faith, no more than not believing in Santa Claus. Atheism is nothing more than not believing in a god. Pretty simple. To logically look at the world and believe a deity of any kind controls it is absurd. Zero evidence in any type of god. Prayers don't work, and thankfully the vengeful, mass-murdering, rapist psychopath you call god doesn't exist.

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No, simply does not believe that there is a god.

Why don't you believe in Zeus or Odin? Answer that and you will know why I don't believe in Yahweh. In reality, there are 3000+ gods that neither one of us believe in, I simply don't believe in one more than you.
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Blue collar biochemist wrote:
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Directly from Websters Dictionary:
Atheism: a disbelief in the existence of a deity.
Agnostic
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
Nothing mentioned regarding inference of proof. I do not believe in a god, therefor I am an atheist. That's really all there is to it.
You are ignorant on the subject. There is more to it than definitions. You have to understand what those terms really mean, which you have made no effort to do. Any fool can copy and paste a definition. A true intellectual would understand true meaning. Do a little research. You can still get attention for being an atheist, but you should first understand what it means. ;)
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I think he/she does understand what it means. It means to not believe in god. He/she doesn't believe in god. Obviously there is no proof that god DOESN'T exist. There is no proof that bigfoot doesn't exist. It is impossible to prove those things. Atheists do not believe there is proof of non-existence. Ms. Bledsoe, I think it is you who does not understand what atheism is.
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Jennifer wrote:
I think he/she does understand what it means. It means to not believe in god. He/she doesn't believe in god. Obviously there is no proof that god DOESN'T exist. There is no proof that bigfoot doesn't exist. It is impossible to prove those things. Atheists do not believe there is proof of non-existence. Ms. Bledsoe, I think it is you who does not understand what atheism is.
But for a self-proclaimed intellectual such as the blue collar person, I would expect a claim of agnosticism. Atheism is absolute non-belief. A few posts back he/she claimed that intellectuals are usually atheists, which simply isn't the case. Most of them are agnostics, which doesn't deal in absolutes. Intellectuals desire proof. It is a sign of faith to blindly believe that there either is or is not a God with absolute certainty. Atheism and theism are very closely related, actually.

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I did not claim that intellectuals are usually atheists, I claimed that the more education one has makes them more likely to be an atheist. And that is true, someone with a doctorate is more likely to be an atheist than someone with only a high school education.

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To be a leader in this country most are educated. Most have a college degree. Look what they have done to our country with the amount of debt. So does more educated mean you are smarter then those who have just a high school education?
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I did not claim that intellectuals are usually atheists, I claimed that the more education one has makes them more likely to be an atheist. And that is true, someone with a doctorate is more likely to be an atheist than someone with only a high school education.
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Blue collar biochemist wrote:
I did not claim that intellectuals are usually atheists, I claimed that the more education one has makes them more likely to be an atheist. And that is true, someone with a doctorate is more likely to be an atheist than someone with only a high school education.
Someone with a doctorate is more likely to be an agnostic. Atheism and theism are closely related and appeal to those with similar educational credentials. Agnosticism is for the thinkers. You obviously don't understand, so enjoy your atheism. ;)

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Linda Bledsoe wrote:
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Someone with a doctorate is more likely to be an agnostic. Atheism and theism are closely related and appeal to those with similar educational credentials. Agnosticism is for the thinkers. You obviously don't understand, so enjoy your atheism. ;)
You obviously don't understand what I am saying. I did not say a higher education level makes one more likely to be atheist over agnostic or a believer. I said a higher education level makes one more likely to be an atheist over a lower education level. Numerous studies have shown this, I could provide you with references, but I doubt you would bother to read them.

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To be a leader in this country most are educated. Most have a college degree. Look what they have done to our country with the amount of debt. So does more educated mean you are smarter then those who have just a high school education?
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Yes, and how many are atheists compared to religious? There is not one of the 100 US senators who claims to be either atheist or agnostic. There is only one of the 430 members of the house of representative who claims atheism, and he did not run for re-election, so as of inauguration 2013, there will be zero out of 435 in the House of Representatives.

So with a runaway majority, perhaps you could say the religious folks we elect as leaders have let the country down.
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Blue collar biochemist wrote:
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I said a higher education level makes one more likely to be an atheist over a lower education level.
Wrong. I think what is really going on here is that you are some young, uneducated punk who is salivating for internet attention. You figure a good plan of attack is to say you are an atheist. So, you litter the site with all sort of anti-god and anti-religion posts and wait for responses. That is the goal of all internet trolls. When somebody with a bit more intellect and maybe even a bit more experience in trolling confronts you, you don't know how to respond. That is what we are seeing here.

Here is a little free advice...you should be educated on the topics for which you wish to troll forums. Trolling without knowledge doesn't get you very far, kiddo. Political trolling is still popular, so let's hear about how much damage George Bush has caused you. We can't wait to hear about it. ;)

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Linda Bledsoe wrote:
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Wrong. I think what is really going on here is that you are some young, uneducated punk who is salivating for internet attention. You figure a good plan of attack is to say you are an atheist. So, you litter the site with all sort of anti-god and anti-religion posts and wait for responses. That is the goal of all internet trolls. When somebody with a bit more intellect and maybe even a bit more experience in trolling confronts you, you don't know how to respond. That is what we are seeing here.
Here is a little free advice...you should be educated on the topics for which you wish to troll forums. Trolling without knowledge doesn't get you very far, kiddo. Political trolling is still popular, so let's hear about how much damage George Bush has caused you. We can't wait to hear about it. ;)
Here is exactly what I posted, feel free to go back and read it...

"Research has actually shown that the more intelligent/educated a person is, the more likely they are to be an atheist"

I'm not young or old, right in the middle. And I'm not claiming damage done by Bush, I actually voted for him twice. Four times. If you count both Bushes. Five times if you count when one was on the ballot as VP.

Seriously, you can call me a punk or a troll, but tell me how many times have I insulted you versus how many times you've insulted me?

If you want to debate something, fine, suggest a topic, ground rules, present facts, but if all you can do is insult me because my beliefs are not the same as you...well, I guess that's what one should expect from a christian.
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You know something, you are right. I shouldn't have called you a troll and I certainly understand your opinions. My rebuttal was of a semantic nature more than anything else and it is not that important. For the record, I am not a Christian. ;)

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