Since: Jul 12

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#42 Jan 17, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty! Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel! Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force, and whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined! When the government removes your armaments, you will have no power but government will have all power!" -Patrick Henry
I am no attorney, but this doesn't sound like it has anything to do with slavery.
Albeit, Patrick Henry owned many slaves...
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#43 Jan 17, 2013
James Madison wrote:
Patrick Henry even argued that southerner's "property" (slaves) would be lost under the new Constitution, and the resulting slave uprising would be less than peaceful or tranquil:
"In this situation," Henry said to Madison, "I see a great deal of the property of the people of Virginia in jeopardy, and their peace and tranquility gone."
So Madison, who had (at Jefferson's insistence) already begun to prepare proposed amendments to the Constitution, changed his first draft of one that addressed the militia issue to make sure it was unambiguous that the southern states could maintain their slave patrol militias.
His first draft for what became the Second Amendment had said: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country [emphasis mine]: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person."
But Henry, Mason and others wanted southern states to preserve their slave-patrol militias independent of the federal government. So Madison changed the word "country" to the word "state," and redrafted the Second Amendment into today's form:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State [emphasis mine], the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Jeez, I am glad you were there to hear all of that! Being as old as you are, who feeds you?
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#44 Jan 17, 2013
Elmer Gantry wrote:
<quoted text>
Albeit, Patrick Henry owned many slaves...
Welll Ellllmer, What doe's that have to do with AllAmerican's statement?
wayne

Indianapolis, IN

#45 Jan 17, 2013
Moe wrote:
sad
Gene Rosen discovered six little children in his driveway one morning in December 2012. "We can't go back to school," one boy told Rosen. "Our teacher is dead." Rosen took them into his house, gave them food and toys to play with, and phoned their parents.
Since then, Rosen has received a torrent of anonymous phone calls and emails accusing him of lying, he told Salon. One email asked, "how are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the 'shooting.' What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov't sponsored hoax anyway?" Rosen has also been the subject of web pages and videos accusing him of fraud, and white supremacist blog posts attacking him as the "emotional Jewish guy."
He's being targeted by the Sandy Hook Truther movement, which "alleges that the entire shooting was a hoax of some kind," writes Alex Seitz-Wald in Salon. Many truthers believe that the massacre was faked - presumably by Democrats in government - in order to promote gun control.
"Sandy Hook Hoax" websites are thriving, and a truther video titled "The Sandy Hook Shooting: Fully Exposed" has been viewed over 6 million times on YouTube. The video purports to show evidence that the shooting never took place - the main evidence being that the Sandy Hook families seem "artificial" and insufficiently grief-stricken.
lets see if old Gene would be willing to swear under penalty of perjury...not likely. By the way MOE look up the the definition USC of "firearm"
wayne

Indianapolis, IN

#46 Jan 17, 2013


any of the pukes who claim this really happen want to talk about it??
Porky

Indianapolis, IN

#47 Jan 17, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty! Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel! Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force, and whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined! When the government removes your armaments, you will have no power but government will have all power!" -Patrick Henry
I am no attorney, but this doesn't sound like it has anything to do with slavery.
The Confederates converteed their militia and such to revolt against the government. Their ideas were wrong.
AllAmerican

Noblesville, IN

#49 Jan 17, 2013
Elmer Gantry wrote:
<quoted text>
Albeit, Patrick Henry owned many slaves...
Who owned slaves is not the question here. The meaning of the 2nd Amendment is the issue at hand. When you combine the statement I posted earlier, with another famous saying from Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty, or give me death", it is very clear. He was a war veteran that had fought for what he loved, and believed in, and couldn't stand the thought of it being taken away. Besides, he died in 1799, which was a few years before they would have been under serious pressure from the north to abolish slavery, which I believe was about 1804. He hadn't "occupied" a city park over what he perceived to be unfair, he had occupied a saddle and saw firsthand the lives lost and the sacrifices made in our effort to become free of tyranny. I have no doubt that those experiences are why he made the famous quotes we know today.
Moe

Indianapolis, IN

#50 Jan 17, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>
Who owned slaves is not the question here. The meaning of the 2nd Amendment is the issue at hand. When you combine the statement I posted earlier, with another famous saying from Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty, or give me death", it is very clear. He was a war veteran that had fought for what he loved, and believed in, and couldn't stand the thought of it being taken away. Besides, he died in 1799, which was a few years before they would have been under serious pressure from the north to abolish slavery, which I believe was about 1804. He hadn't "occupied" a city park over what he perceived to be unfair, he had occupied a saddle and saw firsthand the lives lost and the sacrifices made in our effort to become free of tyranny. I have no doubt that those experiences are why he made the famous quotes we know today.
What Patrick Henry said to his slaves was this, "I will give you death before I will give you freedom."
AllAmerican

Noblesville, IN

#51 Jan 18, 2013
Moe wrote:
<quoted text>
What Patrick Henry said to his slaves was this, "I will give you death before I will give you freedom."
Really Moe?
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#52 Jan 18, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>
Really Moe?
Mo was there, he would never stretch the truth, or lie much.

“NOT RUSSIAN”

Since: May 08

and not from Russia

#53 Jan 18, 2013
Moe wrote:
<quoted text>
What Patrick Henry said to his slaves was this, "I will give you death before I will give you freedom."
Really Moe, this is troll bait. Pssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhht! Troll-be-gone. Please add something intelligent to the conversation. Please.

“NOT RUSSIAN”

Since: May 08

and not from Russia

#54 Jan 18, 2013
Moe wrote:
<quoted text>
What Patrick Henry said to his slaves was this, "I will give you death before I will give you freedom."
As a wedding gift, his wifes father gave the couple six slaves and the 300-acre (1.2 km2) Pine Slash Farm near Mechanicsville. With his marriage, he became a slaveholder and landowner. Henry worked with his slaves on the land because it was a small property; it was exhausted from tobacco cultivation and he could not gain profitable yields. After the main house burned, the couple moved for a short time with their two children into the 20 by 60 foot Honeymoon Cottage, a one-story building with attic. They later moved to the Hanover Tavern, owned by Sarah's father. They sold Pine Slash Plantation in 1764, after Henry started working as a lawyer.

So you see, Patrick Henry didn't go out of his way to OBTAIN slaves, he was given them as a wedding gift, and if you read further, he rolled up his sleeves and worked side by side WITH his slaves to make his farm a success.

I think that's enough for now. I'll let your brain soak that up for a minute.
Howard Kocetax

Indianapolis, IN

#55 Jan 18, 2013
A Proclamation,
Whereas, on the sixteenth day of January, in the year of someoneís Lord two thousand and thirteen, a proclamation was issued by some writer/comedian on a political ďblog,Ē containing, among other things, the following:
ďAs of this date, going forward in perpetuity, given the overwhelming majorityís attitude towards sensible gun restrictions, I am no longer going to engage in debate or discourse with anyone who is among the very small but recalcitrant and vocal minority, known as Gun Zealots over the aforementioned sensible gun restrictions. And I am also hereby absolving the rest of the nation from their duty to involve any of their fellow Americans who fall into that descriptor Ė Gun Zealots Ė as well.
I vow to start this new era first and foremost on my website as well as on the accompanying Facebook page. Anyone who engages in belligerent, talking-point fueled nonsense as means of distracting from actual discourse will be banned, on sight and without prejudice. If you can argue against gun control without telling me Iím not allowed to participate, Iím or that Iím a Marxist-Leftist-Socialist-Puss y-Asshole-Douchebag simply because I share the opinion of the overwhelming majority, you are welcome to enjoy a vigorous and spirited debate. But if you are here to malign me or anyone else who is trying to discuss in a civil manner the problems facing this country in terms of gun violence and what some possible solutions are to fix them, you are not welcome here, ever again.
As firm a believer as I am in the First Amendment, and as firmly as I believe that the powers contained in that most sacred of legislative prose give the rest of the document itís power, I will not tell you that you cannot spout your nonsense at all. Itís just not welcome here, in my forum, or any forum I conduct. And I hereby absolve any and all other Americans in the same situation of their responsibility to engage with Gun Zealots. Itís time for those who would prefer that mass murders be carried out from time to time instead of even talking about gun control measures to slink back among themselves and see if they have the requisite votes from stopping the rest of the country from moving forward, not to a total disarmament but to a restoration of common sense and societal responsibility. I do not aim to excise either the First or Second Amendment rights from Gun Zealots, but I, and no one else is under any legal or moral obligation to entertain the bleating and gnashing of teeth of the Gun Zealot. They are not out for discourse. They are out to arm our nation against each other.
When and if this small group of hyperbolic and histrionic Americans decides to stop resisting all attempts at dialogue, and can promise to not derail every discussion with hissy-fits and absurd claims that no gun laws ever work, when they are ready to stop insisting that every regulation is equal to prohibition, when they fucking grow up and stop pretending as if guns are benign implements of peace except only in the hands of the wicked, when they realize that the Second Amendment promises them to never have their guns ripped away by Federal authorities, and when they see that their fellow Americans who do wish to engage in dialogue and discussion are not the enemy, but instead someone with a desire to find ways to keep more innocents from being slaughtered, this proclamation will be null and void. They will be welcome back with open arms.
Until that day, I hereby emancipate the sane and rational majority from the tyranny of the small but extremely vocal minority. We can fear not, friends. There is not a violent uprising coming. President Obama does not have the legal authority to steal everyoneís guns. And he has no intention of doing that, and I promise you all that he will not, ever.Ē
By The Writer/Comedian: James Schlarmann
Driver 1

Richmond, IN

#56 Jan 18, 2013
What loonie thought this slavery nonsense up? Slaves would be locked in chains when needed. The original Thirteen Colonies would later expand to forty-eight States after this paper was written. Instead at this time the frontiersmen were pushing into the west where the Indians considered themselves the property owners. They did not always give written warnings of their intentions to attack the intruders. The Indians had been doing this one hundred fifty years before the Second Amendment was written and would still be during it one hundred fifty years after it was written. This Country had been and continued to be at war with the British, French, Spanish, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese ,Indians, Germans, etc; from 1620 till now. Had little to do with slavery!

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#57 Jan 19, 2013
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>Welll Ellllmer, What doe's that have to do with AllAmerican's statement?
He was quoting Patrick Henry, you jackass...
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#58 Jan 19, 2013
Elmer Jackass wrote:
<quoted text>
He was quoting Patrick Henry, you jackass...
As my ex supervisor used to say Elllmer, Otay Buttwheat.

“NOT RUSSIAN”

Since: May 08

and not from Russia

#59 Jan 23, 2013
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Any of you want to still argue wat the 2nd amendment was about?

Here's a quote from a viewer who saw the above video on You Tube and he commented, and so I quote

"American gun-owner.&#65279;
I love my old country, but the communist had utterly destroyed it. I have family members lost everything over night because a local officials wanted it.
If you think your country can't be lost to some crazy none sense like this, we are here telling you: we are refugees of the communist dictatorship, it happened to us.
Anti-gunners: shut up, you had never face real tyranny with a gun to your face."

This is not the first person to speak citizenship; hence, I believe these words were written by the real thing. I have watched programming before of studio audiences who were made up entirely of LEGAL immigrants, and they all stated things like "Americans don't realize what they have or how to honor and respect it. You all seem to take for granted your own freedoms, yet know so little about how your government is being run. You don't seem aware of how fragile these things are, or life without them."

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#60 Jan 25, 2013
So, let me address all of you moron/Republicans/Tea baggers/gun nuts with one question:

You continue to demand that our elected members of the U.S. Congress
1) increase high levels of U.S. military spending, AND;
2) protect your firearms on the claim of your 2nd Amendment right to "bear arms" so that you will have the small arms to protect you and your family from the U.S. military.

Insanity...
AllAmerican

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#61 Jan 25, 2013
Elmer Gantry wrote:
So, let me address all of you moron/Republicans/Tea baggers/gun nuts with one question:
You continue to demand that our elected members of the U.S. Congress
1) increase high levels of U.S. military spending, AND;
2) protect your firearms on the claim of your 2nd Amendment right to "bear arms" so that you will have the small arms to protect you and your family from the U.S. military.
Insanity...
,

Only an idiot wouldn't be able to tell why both are important. Just sit back and continue to bad mouth us. We will keep making the stuff you need, raising your foood and fighting for your right to sit around and do nothing but complain.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#62 Jan 25, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>,
Only an idiot wouldn't be able to tell why both are important. Just sit back and continue to bad mouth us. We will keep making the stuff you need, raising your foood and fighting for your right to sit around and do nothing but complain.
The following is my opinion(s).
1 So called assault weapons bans are the camels nose under the tent.
2 Joe Biden while currently recommending shotguns for property protection, will at a later date be amazed at the damage that a shotgun can cause.
3 The government will figure out that a six shooter can in theory kill six people, with the appropriate extras, more quickly.
4 After revolvers and pump shotguns are judged
too dangerous for people to own, government determines a single shot weapon can kill one, and when reloaded, kill again.
5 It will be obvious to government at that time that the public can not own any gun, so as in Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and China, Cambodia, all will be conficated.

What is the point? The point is that any restrictive law, that denies law abideing, sane citizens, the right to own weapons that are currently legal, is wrong, and in my opinion a pathway to total government seizure of weapons.
To the debunkers, history will prove me right if laws proceed to a point of a ban.
We must do what we can to assure a legal right to self defense.
If you do not want to own a gun, don't, but do not deny others that right due to your ignorance of history, American, and world.

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