Scouts may lift ban on gays

Jan 29, 2013 Full story: The Indianapolis Star 596

The Boy Scouts of America is considering lifting its ban on gay Scouts and troop leaders, but to what extent the decision would have an impact in Indiana is unclear.

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Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#184 Feb 3, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Sweetie, NAMBLA hasn't been a welcome member of the gay community for decades and hasn't existed as much more than a figment of the paranoid heterosexual imagination for most of that time. Yes there are men who are homosexual who also feetishize boys and should be kept away from them, but the reality is that they are actually very few and far between in comparison to the men who are heterosexual who fetishize boys. How do you imagine the Boy Scout pervert files got so extensive when they deliberately excluded gay men and women from volunteering? Heterosexual monsters. You refuse to see the really ugly monsters in the forest for your obsession with a possible gay monster being behind one tree. That is what happened to the Catholic Church and what happened with the Boy Scouts. The denial that men who are completely straight to themselves and those around them would ever do such a thing. What better cover than an aura of heterosexuality?
I'll also add that NAMBLA is no longer a welcome member of the gay community because they were simply thrown under the bus. They had been there from early on, but like all leftist, progressive, communist groups, or whatever it is they're calling themselves today. When certain people are no longer useful to "the cause" they're done away with. "Sweetie", I'm not paranoid , I'm just not stupid enough to fall for the BS.

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#186 Feb 3, 2013
fr NoQ:

>...That's the TRUE cold facts. <

Sorry, but that is NOT true. 99.9% of all molesters identify themselves as STRAIGHT men, who are often married and have kids of their own. I have immense pity for their children, growing up with a MOLESTER for "daddy".
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#188 Feb 3, 2013
Pattysboi wrote:
fr NoQ:
>...That's the TRUE cold facts. <
Sorry, but that is NOT true. 99.9% of all molesters identify themselves as STRAIGHT men, who are often married and have kids of their own. I have immense pity for their children, growing up with a MOLESTER for "daddy".
They might call themselves straight but they aren't. Practicing alcoholics don't admit to being alcoholics either.
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#189 Feb 3, 2013
Pattysboi wrote:
fr NoQ:
>...That's the TRUE cold facts. <
Sorry, but that is NOT true. 99.9% of all molesters identify themselves as STRAIGHT men, who are often married and have kids of their own. I have immense pity for their children, growing up with a MOLESTER for "daddy".
I can SAY I'm Jesus, even wear the robe and sandals...does that mean I'm Jesus? NO If a male get his jollies from a penis, he's HOMO. I don't care what he chooses to call himself.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#190 Feb 3, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
I would hardly consider 1999 "decades" ago. Harry Hay was an early gay rights activist, communist, and avid supporter of NAMBLA. He was thought so highly of in the gay community that as a dignitary, he was named grand marshal of the 1999 San Fransisco Gay Pride Parade. I'm sorry to say, this is not a figment of paranoid heterosexual's imaginations.
Yes dear, Harry Hay, back in the 1980's, spoke in favor of NAMBLA and even wrote a blurb for a book they self-published detailing the organization's battles with the FBI. Nobody is perfect and just because he supported them doesn't even imply that anyone else did. It also refutes absolutely nothing of what I said.
GetReal

Louisville, KY

#192 Feb 4, 2013
Obama supports this decision. Therefore, it can only be a good decision that will positively impact the lives of all mankind. He could never take a stand that would be considered "bad" for people. He is the messiah

Since: Mar 09

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#193 Feb 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Yes dear, Harry Hay, back in the 1980's, spoke in favor of NAMBLA and even wrote a blurb for a book they self-published detailing the organization's battles with the FBI. Nobody is perfect and just because he supported them doesn't even imply that anyone else did. It also refutes absolutely nothing of what I said.
Rick, Ariel was an idealist ... to the extreme. His head was at time in a bubble. He was an anarch by philosophy. He would have tried to talk you out of committing a crime, argued against it as a violation of the freedom of others, but NEVER NEVER would have denied your freedom to commit it. In this sort of thing, personal freedom, he was beyond tunnel-visioned.

We never really faced off on the issue. It would have been bloody, if necessary.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#195 Feb 4, 2013
From out first gay President.

Obama Calls on Boy Scouts to Welcome Homosexuals
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stor...
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#196 Feb 4, 2013
DavidM wrote:
From out first gay President.
Obama Calls on Boy Scouts to Welcome Homosexuals
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stor...
I did quite well in the old scouts thank you. I truly wish they would stand firm, you know th morally straight part.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#197 Feb 4, 2013
I am afraid Ralph that morally has been lost when we locked God out of schools and government.
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>I did quite well in the old scouts thank you. I truly wish they would stand firm, you know th morally straight part.
JudgeJudy

Indianapolis, IN

#198 Feb 4, 2013
Religion has never been separated from Gov....if it was, being married would not stand for anything in a court of law, marriage is a religious ceremony.

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#199 Feb 4, 2013
DavidM wrote:
From out first gay President.
Obama Calls on Boy Scouts to Welcome Homosexuals
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stor...
President Obama is not gay.

The FIRST gay President of the United States was Buchannan. Lincoln probably was, too.

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#200 Feb 4, 2013
DavidM wrote:
I am afraid Ralph that morally has been lost when we locked God out of schools and government.
<quoted text>
Nonsense.

Morality is taught in the home. Citizenship is taught in the schools.

Whose "God" would you put into the Government? Our founders ancestors fled the religious wars of Europe and wanted to prevent them here, hence the 1st Amendment.

You kids immoral little beasties? Look to yourselves, incompetents!
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#201 Feb 4, 2013
DavidM wrote:
I am afraid Ralph that morally has been lost when we locked God out of schools and government.
<quoted text>
What truly concerns me, is that while we may have had gay leaders and did not know it, is an attempt to teach homosexuality as a "lifestyle". While homosexuality is a lifestyle, scouts were there to teach woodcrafts,first aid, camping, etc. Scouts taught basic skills, not ANY form of sexual behavior.
If sexual behavior is taught to interested, suggestable, teens, their interest in sex could be changed to same sex.- interest.
And yes, based on the way I grew up, we as a nation, are becoming, or are, morally banctrupt.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#202 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense.
Morality is taught in the home. Citizenship is taught in the schools.
Whose "God" would you put into the Government? Our founders ancestors fled the religious wars of Europe and wanted to prevent them here, hence the 1st Amendment.
You kids immoral little beasties? Look to yourselves, incompetents!
In many homes, two parents work. The school system probably has more influence on childrens thoughts than parents. Television, showing a abnormal life style will influance children also.
Yes parents are responsible for morality training, but I always thought that schools were to teach reading, writing, and arithmatic, not citizenship.
I would be very interested in your definition of citizenship.
Should not right and wrong be taught also?

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#203 Feb 4, 2013
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>In many homes, two parents work. The school system probably has more influence on childrens thoughts than parents. Television, showing a abnormal life style will influance children also.
Yes parents are responsible for morality training, but I always thought that schools were to teach reading, writing, and arithmatic, not citizenship.
I would be very interested in your definition of citizenship.
Should not right and wrong be taught also?
Right and wrong are the parents' problems. If they both work ... that's just the way it is. Schools are not governesses, and shouldn't be expected to act like it.

This might get you started on Citizenship:

http://www.servicelearning.org/search/apaches...
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#205 Feb 4, 2013
Why is it that if you google 'homosexual pedophiles", the very first webpage listed is called FACTS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY AND CHILD MOLESTATION. It happens to be written by an openly gay psychologist/gay rights activist. I'm sure it's completely UNBIASED and FACT based...riiight. Agenda maybe?

Sometimes you just have to laugh...This psychologist states, "It is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the MORE ACCURATE "label" of male-male molestation." Webster and I could both be wrong but isn't male-male sex acts homosexual behavior? Or is it somehow different just because a child is involved? Maybe Dr. Herek can also re-write the dictionary to whatever suits him and the gay community better.
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#206 Feb 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>That is a dangerously false assumption that simply isn't supported by the facts. Roughly 2/3 of the men who sexually abuse boys identify as heterosexual and have a sexual history with other adults that backs that up. They aren't "secretly homo", they have become sexually attracted to something they see as an object, children who just happen to be male.
Children who just happen to be male or males who just happen to be children/easy prey? "Roughly 2/3 of the men who sexually abuse boys identify as heterosexual and have a sexual history with other adults that backs that up." OK...Elton John was married to a woman, having a sexual history to back it up. At that point in his life he was living a hetero lifestyle until the magic moment he realized he was gay. Meredith Baxter, she was married many times with 5 kids, living the hetero lifestyle with a sexual history to back it up...she's now gay. There's many many more. I'm not saying these individuals are pedos but to say pedos who abuse children of the same sex aren't "secretly homo" is ridiculous.
Cool Hand Luke

Scranton, PA

#207 Feb 4, 2013
Gay Activists Demand Canada Lower Age of Consent for Anal Sex



TORONTO,Homosexual activists have long sought to distance themselves from pedophiles, however Canada’s most prominent homosexual activist group has now demanded the lowering the age of consent for anal sex to 14 from 16.

Reacting to the Conservative Government’s plan to raise the age of consent for Anal sex from 16 to 18, EGALE (Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere) has commenced a campaign to have the age of consent for anal sex lowered to 14 from 16. Laurie Arron, the director of advocacy for EGALE remarked to the Ottawa Citizen,“There’s no reason to treat anal sex differently than other sexual acts except to stigmatize gay and bisexual men.”

However, that statement is categorically false, speaking strictly from a medical standpoint. Even those who support homosexual sex acts warn nonetheless that anal sex is a dangerous activity, regardless of genders involved. The sex info site of the University of California at Santa Barbara, which can in no way be described as opposed to homosexual activity, nonetheless points out that anal sex is a dangerous practice.

Experts on sexual behavior, or “sexperts” at the site refers to them, warn that anal sex is the most dangerous behavior for transmission of HIV/AIDS and all other STDs since the anus is not designed for sexual activity as is the vagina. Moreover, the ‘sexperts’ warn that the practice also leads to fecal incontinence - loss of normal control of the sphincter muscles which leads to stool leaking from the rectum at unexpected times.

As the website puts it:“Even when people use lots of lubrication during anal sex, there can be tearing of the tissue inside the anus ... For this reason, anal sex is the riskiest form of sexual activity when it comes to the transmission of HIV/AIDS.

“Tiny tears in the anal tissue are like giant superhighways for the HIV viruses, allowing them to get inside the body and enter the blood system. Anal tears provide an opening for all the other STDs as well.

“It may be possible for repetitive anal sex to lead to weakening of the anal sphincter, which is the muscle that tightens after we defecate. Once weakened, feces can escape the anus against our will.

In response to the editorial, Jessica White West Vancouver, B.C. wrote a letter to the editor of the National Post.ÂÂ The published letter stated,“If both vaginal and anal intercourse were in accordance with natural law and did not discriminate in terms of consequences, this would be true. However, this is not the case with homosexual sex, as two people of the same sex do not have the required body parts to interact sexually and their intercourse can never be fruitful.”

White continued,“Furthermore, their sexual practices result in both physical and emotional damage, as is evidenced in numerous studies. More than 80% of AIDS cases in Canada are among homosexual or bisexual males; other diseases suffered either exclusively, or in larger percentages by the homosexual population, include: anal cancer, chlamydia trachomatis, cryptosporidium, giardia lamblia, herpes simplex virus, HPV, gonorrhea, viral hepatitis B and C, and syphilis.”

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#208 Feb 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
Rick, Ariel was an idealist ... to the extreme. His head was at time in a bubble. He was an anarch by philosophy. He would have tried to talk you out of committing a crime, argued against it as a violation of the freedom of others, but NEVER NEVER would have denied your freedom to commit it. In this sort of thing, personal freedom, he was beyond tunnel-visioned.
We never really faced off on the issue. It would have been bloody, if necessary.
NAMBLA began with a romanticized notion of the practice of pederasty and the political objectives of overturning sodomy laws and at least equalizing age of consent laws, if not returning them back to where they were before folk got all prudish about kids and sex. It seemed to work well on paper, but it also quickly attracted a following among those with serious psychological issues in that regard. I always thought of Hays approval of NAMBLA in theory, not at what it had managed to become. I supported the WBC's free speech rights. You stick to the ideals if there is nothing else.

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