Scouts may lift ban on gays

[Truth-Hurts]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>"Born that way" is merely one of a myriad of possibilities that the field will sort through in an effort to help these people and keep them from doing harm. Do you really imagine that psychologists want pedophiles out molesting children?

You would have to ask "them" if they even think child sex is harmful, or if it is just western colonial society oppressing the "sexual rights of children". I couldn't tell you what's going on in their sick twisted minds.

[Rick in Kansas]

Truth-Hurts wrote:

You would have to ask "them" if they even think child sex is harmful, or if it is just western colonial society oppressing the "sexual rights of children". I couldn't tell you what's going on in their sick twisted minds.

You claimed to have read about the work of those who have proposed this particular theory, you tell me what they have to say. I'm not up on the latest fringe thoughts in psychology. I've just kept up with that which they are able to prove on the subject.

FYI, the notion that a child should be 16-18 years old before they legally have sex is actually a fairly modern one. Prior to the turn of the 20th Century, the oldest age of consent in this country was all of 14, Delaware even allowed men to thank heaven for little girls as young as 10. The change was brought about by the children's rights movement of the late 19th and early 20th century, that got kids out of hazardous employment, into schools and de-sexualized them, whether puberty agreed or not.

[Momma]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>Damn the facts, let's go with the irrational, ugly, mean-spirited stereotypes and pretend that real heterosexuals won't do this. It doesn't matter that is the same obscene closed-minded mind set that filled their pervert files in the first place, we gotta protect the kids from the gay ones.
<quoted text>Dear, psychology is a field which often causes controversy as it explores popularly held assumptions about how the human mind can work. Yes, there are those who have raised the "born that way" theory for pedophilia and have even advocated for it. The truth is that the field has yet discover what actually makes a pedophile tick, there is no one size fits all explanation for them to exist. "Born that way" is merely one of a myriad of possibilities that the field will sort through in an effort to help these people and keep them from doing harm. Do you really imagine that psychologists want pedophiles out molesting children?

"Dear" psychology is a work in progress. There are few absolutes within the theories. Forty years ago when psychology was in its infancy, a well lettered psychologist labeled a young man as the product of a cold and detached mother because he had some odd behaviorisms and repetitive movements. That couldn't have been further from the truth and it put his family through hell. Later in his mid life he was diagnosed with Asberger's syndrome. Psychology is not an exact science, it's an interpretation by a particular observer.

[Truth-Hurts]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>You claimed to have read about the work of those who have proposed this particular theory, you tell me what they have to say. I'm not up on the latest fringe thoughts in psychology. I've just kept up with that which they are able to prove on the subject.

There was a time when psychologists who thought homosexuality wasn't a mental illness, were considered fringe. Just how long will these presently considered fringe thoughts in psychology remain fringe? I don't want to know. Sick!

[Jeanne Crain]

They have discredited the theory of gay being a psychological disorder since the "patient" could function in the areas of speech thought and carry out general everyday tasks.

[Jeanne Crain]

Psychological disorder = mental disorder

[Rainbow Kid]

NoQ wrote:

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You Queers are a product of birth defects. Hopefully that can be corrected in the near future.

no
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We are actually a new and improved model
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We have 6 more neurological connectors to facilitate fluidity and precision in our awesome Smooth Moves
http://media01.commpartners.com/AMA/sexual_id...
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You straighties are clunky and obsolete; po'thangs
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Sux to be you

[Truth-Hurts]

Jeanne Crain wrote:

They have discredited the theory of gay being a psychological disorder since the "patient" could function in the areas of speech thought and carry out general everyday tasks.

Yet, these are the same people who are all too quick to label children with disorders and prescribe psycho meds to them. Sometimes, just because parents or teachers either don't want to deal with them or have been prevented from doing so. The children are usually the ones who fall victim to the piss poor theories of a group of people who have thought and taught themselves into a realm of insanity. They put the "psycho" in psychotherapy, and I don't buy their BS.

[Rainbow Kid]

Unrequired Education wrote:

Commenting on this topic obviously does not require an education.

Well.....
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We have public schools; private schools; home schooling; and TOPIX school
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Our uneducated trolls are here for TOPIX schooling

[Jeanne Crain]

Truth-Hurts wrote:

<quoted text>Yet, these are the same people who are all too quick to label children with disorders and prescribe psycho meds to them. Sometimes, just because parents or teachers either don't want to deal with them or have been prevented from doing so. The children are usually the ones who fall victim to the piss poor theories of a group of people who have thought and taught themselves into a realm of insanity. They put the "psycho" in psychotherapy, and I don't buy their BS.

A good link to this :
Science vs.the "Gay Gene" WWW.trueorigin.org/gaygene 01.asp
The truth is that one scientist discovers while 2 or more stand by to discredit...

[Jupiter]

Jeanne Crain wrote:

<quoted text>
A good link to this :
Science vs.the "Gay Gene" WWW.trueorigin.org/gaygene 01.asp
The truth is that one scientist discovers while 2 or more stand by to discredit...

What difference does it make to you whether there is a "gay gene" or not? What difference does it make if being gay is a choice and not something that one was born with?(Not that I believe it; I think homosexuals are born gay.) But why the debate? Do you want to accuse someone of being "sinful" or "perverted" just because their sexual orientation is different from yours?

[Papaw]

Leaving out hate filled opinions, I think most people are tolerant of G/L life. Some G/L are content to live their lives with a partner and not force feed their lifestyle into other's lives. Then again there are the "activists" who believe everyone hates them because they are Gay/Lesbian. In most cases that isn't true. What we dislike is your insistence in blasting your opinion and lifestyle into the focus of every person you meet. My hetero lifestyle is of no interest to anyone and your G/L lifestyle is of no interest either. When G/L activists demand to be center stage only because they are Gay tends to annoy people. When activists clamor that their rights are denied because an organization won't recognize and laud them it is highly irritating. Why would you want to be someplace where you are not wanted. It has to be spite that drives that and not a sincere desire to better your fellow man.
Children are highly impressionable and can be molded into productive citizens or allowed to be spoiled and turn out to be useless. Children can also be persuaded to live a Gay lifestyle when their natural progression would be hetero because they are extremely interested in sex and quite frankly it's pleasurable. At a young age their favorite color changes from week to week and so do their friends. If a teen would dye their hair 12 different colors and become an object of ridicule because they saw some rock star do it or demand a pair of expensive and unflattering jeans because "everybody else does" then they can just as easily experiment with sexual deviation. The purpose of sex is to procreate. That we get pleasure from it is insurance so we will be inclined to procreate.

[Rainbow Kid]

Papaw wrote:

Leaving out hate filled opinions, I think most people are tolerant of G/L life. Some G/L are content to live their lives with a partner and not force feed their lifestyle into other's lives. Then again there are the "activists" who believe everyone hates them because they are Gay/Lesbian. In most cases that isn't true. What we dislike is your insistence in blasting your opinion and lifestyle into the focus of every person you meet. My hetero lifestyle is of no interest to anyone and your G/L lifestyle is of no interest either. When G/L activists demand to be center stage only because they are Gay tends to annoy people. When activists clamor that their rights are denied because an organization won't recognize and laud them it is highly irritating. Why would you want to be someplace where you are not wanted. It has to be spite that drives that and not a sincere desire to better your fellow man.
Children are highly impressionable and can be molded into productive citizens or allowed to be spoiled and turn out to be useless. Children can also be persuaded to live a Gay lifestyle when their natural progression would be hetero because they are extremely interested in sex and quite frankly it's pleasurable. At a young age their favorite color changes from week to week and so do their friends. If a teen would dye their hair 12 different colors and become an object of ridicule because they saw some rock star do it or demand a pair of expensive and unflattering jeans because "everybody else does" then they can just as easily experiment with sexual deviation. The purpose of sex is to procreate. That we get pleasure from it is insurance so we will be inclined to procreate.

None of the above
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Here's why:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/... ;

[Papaw]

Rainbow Kid wrote:

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None of the above
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Here's why:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/... ;

This addresses my post???
The article dealt with mainly taxes and insurance. Those same problems also affects hetero couples. Not every worker gets medical coverage and often the costs for adding a wife and 2 kids is astronomical.
The Social Security issue affects every person who pays taxes. Originally it was thought that the unmarried SS collector would end his payments at death and counterbalance the drain of of spousal payments in married SS collectors. Now all of us will be paying into a fund that will go on and on after death for almost every recipient.
The fact is hetero couples face the same problems and costs.

[Rainbow Kid]

Papaw wrote:

This addresses my post???

Yes; because you were unaware of the issues prior to reading our link
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As American Citizens we're crusading for 100% equality; not second-class citizenship and a $467,562.00 penalty

[Rainbow Kid]

Papaw wrote:

Not every worker gets medical coverage and often the costs for adding a wife and 2 kids is astronomical.

Insurance companies failed to toe the line; so the government has to do the job for them
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This is exactly the reason the President switched us over to ObamaCare
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Now; every worker will have medical coverage for him/herself and their family at a reasonable price

[Fa-Foxy]

Finally, the scouts will learn the REAL meaning of "camping" !

:)

[Rick in Kansas]

Momma wrote:

"Dear" psychology is a work in progress.

And probably always will be.

Momma wrote:

There are few absolutes within the theories.

There should be no absolutes in theories, that's why they are theories.

Momma wrote:

Forty years ago when psychology was in its infancy, a well lettered psychologist labeled a young man as the product of a cold and detached mother because he had some odd behaviorisms and repetitive movements. That couldn't have been further from the truth and it put his family through hell. Later in his mid life he was diagnosed with Asberger's syndrome. Psychology is not an exact science, it's an interpretation by a particular observer.

The field of psychology has a well documented history of everything from the well intentioned mistaken diagnoses to abuses so horrifying that it is hard to imagine that they were even allowed. But aside from the fact that they often get sh*t as wrong as they can possibly get it, there are some in the field who do seem to know what they are doing and some areas where they actually reach agreement. Based on my reading of a number of studies of child molesters and pedophiles that also reported on their sexual orientation towards adults and their sexual history with adults, the conclusion reached is the same, the vast majority identify as straight and behave that way around adults, they claimed no sexual interest in adult men and few reported any sexual activity with one, They rate as 0 to 1 on the Kinsey Scale of behavior, when around adults they are about as heterosexual as they can possibly get. Why do you think the Boy Scouts pervert files got so full when the organization never allowed gay men to volunteer and would kick them out at the drop of a dime if they were to ever find out that they had fibbed? It was filled by heterosexuals who had scarier things in their closet than being attracted to other men. Once those files are finally opened, can you guess one of the most likely things that most of these men are going to have in common? They were living an openly heterosexual lifestyle, married to, divorced from, cohabiting with, the opposite sex at the time they offended.

Reality, child molesters and pedophiles are no more common among homosexuals and bisexuals than they are among heterosexuals and the thought that we all should be penalized for the horrible behavior of the few is pretty offensive, even more so because of the sheer hypocrisy of it.

[Papaw]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>And probably always will be. <quoted text>There should be no absolutes in theories, that's why they are theories. <quoted text>The field of psychology has a well documented history of everything from the well intentioned mistaken diagnoses to abuses so horrifying that it is hard to imagine that they were even allowed. But aside from the fact that they often get sh*t as wrong as they can possibly get it, there are some in the field who do seem to know what they are doing and some areas where they actually reach agreement. Based on my reading of a number of studies of child molesters and pedophiles that also reported on their sexual orientation towards adults and their sexual history with adults, the conclusion reached is the same, the vast majority identify as straight and behave that way around adults, they claimed no sexual interest in adult men and few reported any sexual activity with one, They rate as 0 to 1 on the Kinsey Scale of behavior, when around adults they are about as heterosexual as they can possibly get. Why do you think the Boy Scouts pervert files got so full when the organization never allowed gay men to volunteer and would kick them out at the drop of a dime if they were to ever find out that they had fibbed? It was filled by heterosexuals who had scarier things in their closet than being attracted to other men. Once those files are finally opened, can you guess one of the most likely things that most of these men are going to have in common? They were living an openly heterosexual lifestyle, married to, divorced from, cohabiting with, the opposite sex at the time they offended.
Reality, child molesters and pedophiles are no more common among homosexuals and bisexuals than they are among heterosexuals and the thought that we all should be penalized for the horrible behavior of the few is pretty offensive, even more so because of the sheer hypocrisy of it.

With all your "empirical" evidence why haven't you written for the AMA Journal. Wait, is it because you are not QUALIFIED.
At this point it's all conjecture. Since most of us are not completely honest with our medical doctor it's doubtful anyone whose intimate being was being examinined under a microscope may tend to fudge the facts a bit. Researchers haven't begun to scratch the surface yet.
I will agree that pedophiles are present in all professions, races, sexual orientations and political affiliations. What I disagree with is the sexual designation you're slapping on them. I'm not defending straights or G/L but a pedophile isn't anything except a pedophile. It's his primary sexual interest. They lay claim to being hetero because that's the acceptable and least troublesome cubbyhole to be in. They participate in the facade only enough to create the illusion of being straight.

[Rick in Kansas]

Papaw wrote:

With all your "empirical" evidence why haven't you written for the AMA Journal. Wait, is it because you are not QUALIFIED.
At this point it's all conjecture. Since most of us are not completely honest with our medical doctor it's doubtful anyone whose intimate being was being examinined under a microscope may tend to fudge the facts a bit. Researchers haven't begun to scratch the surface yet.
I will agree that pedophiles are present in all professions, races, sexual orientations and political affiliations. What I disagree with is the sexual designation you're slapping on them. I'm not defending straights or G/L but a pedophile isn't anything except a pedophile. It's his primary sexual interest. They lay claim to being hetero because that's the acceptable and least troublesome cubbyhole to be in. They participate in the facade only enough to create the illusion of being straight.

Look, I'm just telling you what every last study of child molesters and pedophiles, that asked them about their adult sexual orientation and sexual history with adults has found. The majority of men who sexually abuse boys identify as heterosexual and their sexual history with adults usually backs them up. You can perform whatever mental gymnastics you want with that reality, but realize, not even the study commissioned by the Catholic Church of their abuse problem found anything different and neither has any other study. What better cover for an abuser of young boys than open heterosexuality? Closeted homosexuality would likely be detected, especially when it isn't always in the closet.