Scouts may lift ban on gays

Jan 29, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Indianapolis Star

The Boy Scouts of America is considering lifting its ban on gay Scouts and troop leaders, but to what extent the decision would have an impact in Indiana is unclear.

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A good link to this :
Science vs.the "Gay Gene" WWW.trueorigin.org/gaygene 01.asp
The truth is that one scientist discovers while 2 or more stand by to discredit...
What difference does it make to you whether there is a "gay gene" or not? What difference does it make if being gay is a choice and not something that one was born with?(Not that I believe it; I think homosexuals are born gay.) But why the debate? Do you want to accuse someone of being "sinful" or "perverted" just because their sexual orientation is different from yours?
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Leaving out hate filled opinions, I think most people are tolerant of G/L life. Some G/L are content to live their lives with a partner and not force feed their lifestyle into other's lives. Then again there are the "activists" who believe everyone hates them because they are Gay/Lesbian. In most cases that isn't true. What we dislike is your insistence in blasting your opinion and lifestyle into the focus of every person you meet. My hetero lifestyle is of no interest to anyone and your G/L lifestyle is of no interest either. When G/L activists demand to be center stage only because they are Gay tends to annoy people. When activists clamor that their rights are denied because an organization won't recognize and laud them it is highly irritating. Why would you want to be someplace where you are not wanted. It has to be spite that drives that and not a sincere desire to better your fellow man.
Children are highly impressionable and can be molded into productive citizens or allowed to be spoiled and turn out to be useless. Children can also be persuaded to live a Gay lifestyle when their natural progression would be hetero because they are extremely interested in sex and quite frankly it's pleasurable. At a young age their favorite color changes from week to week and so do their friends. If a teen would dye their hair 12 different colors and become an object of ridicule because they saw some rock star do it or demand a pair of expensive and unflattering jeans because "everybody else does" then they can just as easily experiment with sexual deviation. The purpose of sex is to procreate. That we get pleasure from it is insurance so we will be inclined to procreate.
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Papaw wrote:
Leaving out hate filled opinions, I think most people are tolerant of G/L life. Some G/L are content to live their lives with a partner and not force feed their lifestyle into other's lives. Then again there are the "activists" who believe everyone hates them because they are Gay/Lesbian. In most cases that isn't true. What we dislike is your insistence in blasting your opinion and lifestyle into the focus of every person you meet. My hetero lifestyle is of no interest to anyone and your G/L lifestyle is of no interest either. When G/L activists demand to be center stage only because they are Gay tends to annoy people. When activists clamor that their rights are denied because an organization won't recognize and laud them it is highly irritating. Why would you want to be someplace where you are not wanted. It has to be spite that drives that and not a sincere desire to better your fellow man.
Children are highly impressionable and can be molded into productive citizens or allowed to be spoiled and turn out to be useless. Children can also be persuaded to live a Gay lifestyle when their natural progression would be hetero because they are extremely interested in sex and quite frankly it's pleasurable. At a young age their favorite color changes from week to week and so do their friends. If a teen would dye their hair 12 different colors and become an object of ridicule because they saw some rock star do it or demand a pair of expensive and unflattering jeans because "everybody else does" then they can just as easily experiment with sexual deviation. The purpose of sex is to procreate. That we get pleasure from it is insurance so we will be inclined to procreate.
None of the above
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Here's why:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/... ;
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Rainbow Kid wrote:
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None of the above
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Here's why:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/... ;
This addresses my post???
The article dealt with mainly taxes and insurance. Those same problems also affects hetero couples. Not every worker gets medical coverage and often the costs for adding a wife and 2 kids is astronomical.
The Social Security issue affects every person who pays taxes. Originally it was thought that the unmarried SS collector would end his payments at death and counterbalance the drain of of spousal payments in married SS collectors. Now all of us will be paying into a fund that will go on and on after death for almost every recipient.
The fact is hetero couples face the same problems and costs.
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Papaw wrote:
This addresses my post???
Yes; because you were unaware of the issues prior to reading our link
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As American Citizens we're crusading for 100% equality; not second-class citizenship and a $467,562.00 penalty
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Papaw wrote:
Not every worker gets medical coverage and often the costs for adding a wife and 2 kids is astronomical.
Insurance companies failed to toe the line; so the government has to do the job for them
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This is exactly the reason the President switched us over to ObamaCare
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Now; every worker will have medical coverage for him/herself and their family at a reasonable price

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Finally, the scouts will learn the REAL meaning of "camping" !

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"Dear" psychology is a work in progress.
And probably always will be.
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There are few absolutes within the theories.
There should be no absolutes in theories, that's why they are theories.
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Forty years ago when psychology was in its infancy, a well lettered psychologist labeled a young man as the product of a cold and detached mother because he had some odd behaviorisms and repetitive movements. That couldn't have been further from the truth and it put his family through hell. Later in his mid life he was diagnosed with Asberger's syndrome. Psychology is not an exact science, it's an interpretation by a particular observer.
The field of psychology has a well documented history of everything from the well intentioned mistaken diagnoses to abuses so horrifying that it is hard to imagine that they were even allowed. But aside from the fact that they often get sh*t as wrong as they can possibly get it, there are some in the field who do seem to know what they are doing and some areas where they actually reach agreement. Based on my reading of a number of studies of child molesters and pedophiles that also reported on their sexual orientation towards adults and their sexual history with adults, the conclusion reached is the same, the vast majority identify as straight and behave that way around adults, they claimed no sexual interest in adult men and few reported any sexual activity with one, They rate as 0 to 1 on the Kinsey Scale of behavior, when around adults they are about as heterosexual as they can possibly get. Why do you think the Boy Scouts pervert files got so full when the organization never allowed gay men to volunteer and would kick them out at the drop of a dime if they were to ever find out that they had fibbed? It was filled by heterosexuals who had scarier things in their closet than being attracted to other men. Once those files are finally opened, can you guess one of the most likely things that most of these men are going to have in common? They were living an openly heterosexual lifestyle, married to, divorced from, cohabiting with, the opposite sex at the time they offended.

Reality, child molesters and pedophiles are no more common among homosexuals and bisexuals than they are among heterosexuals and the thought that we all should be penalized for the horrible behavior of the few is pretty offensive, even more so because of the sheer hypocrisy of it.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>And probably always will be. <quoted text>There should be no absolutes in theories, that's why they are theories. <quoted text>The field of psychology has a well documented history of everything from the well intentioned mistaken diagnoses to abuses so horrifying that it is hard to imagine that they were even allowed. But aside from the fact that they often get sh*t as wrong as they can possibly get it, there are some in the field who do seem to know what they are doing and some areas where they actually reach agreement. Based on my reading of a number of studies of child molesters and pedophiles that also reported on their sexual orientation towards adults and their sexual history with adults, the conclusion reached is the same, the vast majority identify as straight and behave that way around adults, they claimed no sexual interest in adult men and few reported any sexual activity with one, They rate as 0 to 1 on the Kinsey Scale of behavior, when around adults they are about as heterosexual as they can possibly get. Why do you think the Boy Scouts pervert files got so full when the organization never allowed gay men to volunteer and would kick them out at the drop of a dime if they were to ever find out that they had fibbed? It was filled by heterosexuals who had scarier things in their closet than being attracted to other men. Once those files are finally opened, can you guess one of the most likely things that most of these men are going to have in common? They were living an openly heterosexual lifestyle, married to, divorced from, cohabiting with, the opposite sex at the time they offended.
Reality, child molesters and pedophiles are no more common among homosexuals and bisexuals than they are among heterosexuals and the thought that we all should be penalized for the horrible behavior of the few is pretty offensive, even more so because of the sheer hypocrisy of it.
With all your "empirical" evidence why haven't you written for the AMA Journal. Wait, is it because you are not QUALIFIED.
At this point it's all conjecture. Since most of us are not completely honest with our medical doctor it's doubtful anyone whose intimate being was being examinined under a microscope may tend to fudge the facts a bit. Researchers haven't begun to scratch the surface yet.
I will agree that pedophiles are present in all professions, races, sexual orientations and political affiliations. What I disagree with is the sexual designation you're slapping on them. I'm not defending straights or G/L but a pedophile isn't anything except a pedophile. It's his primary sexual interest. They lay claim to being hetero because that's the acceptable and least troublesome cubbyhole to be in. They participate in the facade only enough to create the illusion of being straight.

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Papaw wrote:
With all your "empirical" evidence why haven't you written for the AMA Journal. Wait, is it because you are not QUALIFIED.
At this point it's all conjecture. Since most of us are not completely honest with our medical doctor it's doubtful anyone whose intimate being was being examinined under a microscope may tend to fudge the facts a bit. Researchers haven't begun to scratch the surface yet.
I will agree that pedophiles are present in all professions, races, sexual orientations and political affiliations. What I disagree with is the sexual designation you're slapping on them. I'm not defending straights or G/L but a pedophile isn't anything except a pedophile. It's his primary sexual interest. They lay claim to being hetero because that's the acceptable and least troublesome cubbyhole to be in. They participate in the facade only enough to create the illusion of being straight.
Look, I'm just telling you what every last study of child molesters and pedophiles, that asked them about their adult sexual orientation and sexual history with adults has found. The majority of men who sexually abuse boys identify as heterosexual and their sexual history with adults usually backs them up. You can perform whatever mental gymnastics you want with that reality, but realize, not even the study commissioned by the Catholic Church of their abuse problem found anything different and neither has any other study. What better cover for an abuser of young boys than open heterosexuality? Closeted homosexuality would likely be detected, especially when it isn't always in the closet.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Look, I'm just telling you what every last study of child molesters and pedophiles, that asked them about their adult sexual orientation and sexual history with adults has found. The majority of men who sexually abuse boys identify as heterosexual and their sexual history with adults usually backs them up. You can perform whatever mental gymnastics you want with that reality, but realize, not even the study commissioned by the Catholic Church of their abuse problem found anything different and neither has any other study. What better cover for an abuser of young boys than open heterosexuality? Closeted homosexuality would likely be detected, especially when it isn't always in the closet.
HELLLLLLOOOO. A criminal (and that's what a pedo is) will tell you anything to take the pressure off himself. Of course he will say he's hetero. He wouldn't want to be labeled homo because that might target him for ridicule or suspicion. People label themselves with any tags that suit them just to gain acceptance, glory, fame, fortune etc. If I tell you I am a CEO of a large corporation I'm going to dress the part (i.e. wife and kids if you claim you're hetero) and I'm going to act the part. It still doesn't make it true. It's only a means to an end.
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When I was a boy scout, many years ago, it was generally accepted that scoutmasters were all
poofters and we just didn't worry about it unless the SM tried to get one of us into his tent after lights out. Why worry ?

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Look, I'm just telling you what every last study of child molesters and pedophiles, that asked them about their adult sexual orientation and sexual history with adults has found. The majority of men who sexually abuse boys identify as heterosexual and their sexual history with adults usually backs them up. You can perform whatever mental gymnastics you want with that reality, but realize, not even the study commissioned by the Catholic Church of their abuse problem found anything different and neither has any other study. What better cover for an abuser of young boys than open heterosexuality? Closeted homosexuality would likely be detected, especially when it isn't always in the closet.
Hello Rick! I thought I'd post a couple of links on the subject so that those less educated may begin to understand the subject a bit better! As it is there are an awful lot of ignorance about it on this thread,but what you've stated so far has pretty much been spot on! They are relatively simple so that the goons may even understand!
Explaining Pedophilia
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.as...

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www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/explaini...

Finally

psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mol...

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HELLLLLLOOOO. A criminal (and that's what a pedo is) will tell you anything to take the pressure off himself. Of course he will say he's hetero. He wouldn't want to be labeled homo because that might target him for ridicule or suspicion. People label themselves with any tags that suit them just to gain acceptance, glory, fame, fortune etc. If I tell you I am a CEO of a large corporation I'm going to dress the part (i.e. wife and kids if you claim you're hetero) and I'm going to act the part. It still doesn't make it true. It's only a means to an end.
Your argument would be far more convincing if what I am talking about were studies of men merely accused of being pedophiles, but I am not, I am talking about in depth interviews with those already doing time for their acts and who have nothing to gain by lying. You can believe that these men aren't "really" heterosexual all you want, but the only one you're fooling is yourself and gullible young boys who you teach that they have nothing to fear from real straight men. You should be ashamed of yourself, deliberately choosing to be a useful idiot for pedophiles and child molesters.

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Hello Rick! I thought I'd post a couple of links on the subject so that those less educated may begin to understand the subject a bit better! As it is there are an awful lot of ignorance about it on this thread,but what you've stated so far has pretty much been spot on! They are relatively simple so that the goons may even understand!
Explaining Pedophilia
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.as...
And
www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/explaini...
Finally
psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mol...
Thank you, but I should warn you, but these folk who have convinced themselves that only homosexuals molest boys aren't the least bit interested in facts that contradict their beliefs. They can't possibly be facts, because they know better than any so-called expert who has spent their careers trying to figure out what makes monsters tick. Can't we see? All same sex sexual acts are homosexual by definition, only homosexuals engage in homosexual acts, ergo, the one initiating the act are therefore by definition homosexual and if we ban homosexuals we ban those who would do homosexual things to boys. They don't care that facts don't now and never have supported their syllogistic gymnastics, their minds are made up and their choice of prejudices trumps rational thought. They want the problem to be homosexual in nature, heterosexuals only abuse children of their opposite sex, isn't it obvious? It is all our fault, whether every last fact says otherwise or not.
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<quoted text>Thank you, but I should warn you, but these folk who have convinced themselves that only homosexuals molest boys aren't the least bit interested in facts that contradict their beliefs. They can't possibly be facts, because they know better than any so-called expert who has spent their careers trying to figure out what makes monsters tick. Can't we see? All same sex sexual acts are homosexual by definition, only homosexuals engage in homosexual acts, ergo, the one initiating the act are therefore by definition homosexual and if we ban homosexuals we ban those who would do homosexual things to boys. They don't care that facts don't now and never have supported their syllogistic gymnastics, their minds are made up and their choice of prejudices trumps rational thought. They want the problem to be homosexual in nature, heterosexuals only abuse children of their opposite sex, isn't it obvious? It is all our fault, whether every last fact says otherwise or not.
How many pro-pedophilia activist groups are hetero based vs. homosexual?
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http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/e...

This link that was posted by a previous poster, was based on answers by Dr. Blanchard.

"Most pedophiles have a definite preference for one sex or the other. But it's tough to estimate the percentage of pedophiles who are heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual in their attraction to children, Blanchard says."

This Dr. was protested by the gay task force. They didn't want him on the APA board because he "didn't fall in step".

To get true facts, don't we need differing opinions and theories on the subject?

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hmmmmm Roy G Biv is alive and well
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<quoted text>Your argument would be far more convincing if what I am talking about were studies of men merely accused of being pedophiles, but I am not, I am talking about in depth interviews with those already doing time for their acts and who have nothing to gain by lying. You can believe that these men aren't "really" heterosexual all you want, but the only one you're fooling is yourself and gullible young boys who you teach that they have nothing to fear from real straight men. You should be ashamed of yourself, deliberately choosing to be a useful idiot for pedophiles and child molesters.
You are the real dimwit here. Could you clear the defensive attitude out of your mind for a minute. If you have read all the way through a couple of my posts you might see that I am not saying only homosexuals are pedophiles. In case you have problems comprehending I will say it again. Pedophiles come in all shapes, sizes, ages, occupations and ethnic groups. A pedo may self label as hetero or maybe even homo but he IS NOT, he is a pedophile first, last and always. It's his primary sexual focus. That's who he is. I have no hate or dislike for G/L. In fact a couple of my friends who happen to be G/L have been strongly disagreeing with a lot of what you've said.

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How many pro-pedophilia activist groups are hetero based vs. homosexual?
Dear, if that is really the best argument you can come up with you should have kept it to yourself, it's not like I really needed any more proof that you can't fake having a clue.

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