Scouts may lift ban on gays

[Jeanne Crain]

Jupiter wrote:

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Homosexuality is not a mental illness.

Ahem. Exactly Ms perfect. I was not referring to it as a disease found only in homosexuals..

[Papaw]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>Dear, when an adult becomes a pedophile, they aren't acting according to their natural sexual orientation, but according to their illness. Even when a heterosexual man molests a little girl, he's not doing so because he is heterosexual by nature, but because he is off the beam and that little girl is the direction his sickness has taken him. The absurd notion that someone has to be in some way, shape or form actually same sex attracted to actually engage in same sex sexual acts is why so-called "homosexual pedophiles" get away with it. You are off looking for homosexuals, when it is your fellow heterosexuals sneaking off with the little boys and believe you me, they thank you for your blind eye. Look into the Jerry Sandusky case, the reason that he got away with it for so long is that he was such a role model for heterosexuality, of course nobody thought he could do such a thing, even when they saw it for themselves.

Yes anyone could be a child molester but you could not call anyone a true hetero/homosexual if they desire sex with children. Their sexual orientation is not the true definition of a hetero/homo since their primary attraction is children not adults.

[Rick in Kansas]

Jeanne Crain wrote:

"How about heterosexual men being a girl scout leader? Many would love to go camping with these girls."
Do you realize what your statement was referring to????? Sounds like a sexual predator., which proves my point. Gay or straight or whatever, mental illness is not just a gay disease.

Straight men have always been allowed to volunteer with the Girl Scouts and they haven't discriminated against gay folk in more than 20 years. What they do to avoid any potential problems is never allow any of their volunteers to be alone with any of the girls at any time. They pioneered what is called two-deep training, that all their volunteers go through and they are taught to keep a constant eye on each other and never to allow yourself or any other volunteer to ever be alone with one of the girls.

[Rick in Kansas]

Papaw wrote:

Yes anyone could be a child molester but you could not call anyone a true hetero/homosexual if they desire sex with children. Their sexual orientation is not the true definition of a hetero/homo since their primary attraction is children not adults.

Because, for the most part, these people do also have an adult sexual orientation that they are also acting on to pass as normal while they are also feeding their illness. They are heterosexual, bisexuals and homosexuals who are also suffering from some sort of mental problem that causes them to act out in incredibly inappropriate ways. Their illness isn't an indication of, or caused by, their natural underlying adult sexual orientation.

[Papaw]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>Because, for the most part, these people do also have an adult sexual orientation that they are also acting on to pass as normal while they are also feeding their illness. They are heterosexual, bisexuals and homosexuals who are also suffering from some sort of mental problem that causes them to act out in incredibly inappropriate ways. Their illness isn't an indication of, or caused by, their natural underlying adult sexual orientation.

By God you're dense as a brick wall.

[ThePreacherman01]

My grandchildren will not in any way be part of the Boy Scouts/Girls Scouts FACT. They are going to a real good Christian schools and they got things in there for them to do better then the Scouts. There parents will not in any way let our grandchildren close to evil like this kind of trash....

[Rick in Kansas]

Papaw wrote:

By God you're dense as a brick wall.

I don't mind breaking this to you, but just because I am not agreeing with the myriad of seriously misinformed misconceptions that I keep getting thrown at me, isn't a sign that I'm dense, it's a sign that your factually deprived arguments aren't the least bit persuasive.

[Rick in Kansas]

ThePreacherman01 wrote:

My grandchildren will not in any way be part of the Boy Scouts/Girls Scouts FACT. They are going to a real good Christian schools and they got things in there for them to do better then the Scouts. There parents will not in any way let our grandchildren close to evil like this kind of trash....

That's sweet of you dear, but not particularly Christlike in your Christianity. Good luck with that. By the by, if your post was a product of those same "real good Christian schools", get your grandkids out now.

[Papaw]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>I don't mind breaking this to you, but just because I am not agreeing with the myriad of seriously misinformed misconceptions that I keep getting thrown at me, isn't a sign that I'm dense, it's a sign that your factually deprived arguments aren't the least bit persuasive.

No it's quite obvious that you are missing the point. You can't be a true hetero/homo if children are you primary sexual attraction. They may live as a hetero but that isn't their actual prefernce.
Who's to say if I'm "misinformed" or you are. If you are trying to make the facts to suit you and your lifestyle ... well good luck.

[Rick in Kansas]

Papaw wrote:

No it's quite obvious that you are missing the point. You can't be a true hetero/homo if children are you primary sexual attraction. They may live as a hetero but that isn't their actual prefernce.
Who's to say if I'm "misinformed" or you are. If you are trying to make the facts to suit you and your lifestyle ... well good luck.

Sorry, but their adult sexual orientation doesn't just go away simply because they are acting out on their illness. Keeping up the appearance of whatever is normal for them, including interacting appropriately with adults is actually a great cover. The single most likely suspect in any case of child sexual abuse isn't even a pedophile. Although they do molest far more children than non-pedophiles, pedophiles are actually relatively few in number in comparison to the number of men, who have no history of child sex fantasies, but for some f'd up reason do bad things to a child or two. The single most likely man to do this to a boy, is any man having sex with his mommy, especially if he isn't daddy. There are far more of those men doing time than there are actual pedophiles.

[snyper]

Questioning wrote:

Kids are impressionable. That's it. People need to consider who is impressing what onto their kids...

Then why am I not hetero?

[snyper]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>A number of scholars in the late 60's and early 70's romanticized the notion of pederasty and for many it did seem to be a natural fit with the gay rights movement as a whole and so NAMBLA and its fellow travelers were welcomed to the table. It was only as it became apparent that NAMBLA had basically devolved into little more than a network for pedophiles into little boys, that they wore out their welcome.

Yes, I know dear. It's not just history for me. I was there. Remember?

[Papaw]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry, but their adult sexual orientation doesn't just go away simply because they are acting out on their illness. Keeping up the appearance of whatever is normal for them, including interacting appropriately with adults is actually a great cover. The single most likely suspect in any case of child sexual abuse isn't even a pedophile. Although they do molest far more children than non-pedophiles, pedophiles are actually relatively few in number in comparison to the number of men, who have no history of child sex fantasies, but for some f'd up reason do bad things to a child or two. The single most likely man to do this to a boy, is any man having sex with his mommy, especially if he isn't daddy. There are far more of those men doing time than there are actual pedophiles.

Wrong!!!!! They never were hetero/homo, just a pseudo hetero/homo. They were always child molesters who either hid or denied their sexual choices. Just because they didn't act on those impulses for a length of time doesn't make them temporarily hetero/homo. By your logic they were never pedo until one day voila! they acted on molesting a child and temporarily became a pedo.

[Questioning]

Jupiter wrote:

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Homosexuality is not a mental illness.

THAT is matter of interpretation. I, for one, am not convinced. There are regions, yes, in the U.S., where many consider bestiality to also not be a mental illness. I, personally, am quite cognizant of what is and what isn't anatomically correct and just. Was I completely mislead by the Creator? I think not. I know what "normal" is. What about you? Do you know what "normal" is?

[Jupiter]

Jeanne Crain wrote:

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Ahem. Exactly Ms perfect. I was not referring to it as a disease found only in homosexuals..

Fair enough & point taken.

[Jupiter]

ThePreacherman01 wrote:

My grandchildren will not in any way be part of the Boy Scouts/Girls Scouts FACT. They are going to a real good Christian schools and they got things in there for them to do better then the Scouts. There parents will not in any way let our grandchildren close to evil like this kind of trash....

I hope those good Christian schools have good English and grammar classes for your grandchildren.

[Jupiter]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>I don't mind breaking this to you, but just because I am not agreeing with the myriad of seriously misinformed misconceptions that I keep getting thrown at me, isn't a sign that I'm dense, it's a sign that your factually deprived arguments aren't the least bit persuasive.

Not to mention that they come from someone called "Pawpaw."

[Pimpin in a Double Wide]

Rick in Kansas wrote:

<quoted text>Straight men have always been allowed to volunteer with the Girl Scouts and they haven't discriminated against gay folk in more than 20 years. What they do to avoid any potential problems is never allow any of their volunteers to be alone with any of the girls at any time. They pioneered what is called two-deep training, that all their volunteers go through and they are taught to keep a constant eye on each other and never to allow yourself or any other volunteer to ever be alone with one of the girls.

Two deep training... is that where you and another volunteer run a train on the little bitch or is that where you both pound her at the same time, one in the pink and the other guy in the stink?

[Papaw]

Jupiter wrote:

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Not to mention that they come from someone called "Pawpaw."

Well aren't you the La di frickin da.

[Lililth_Satans_B ore]

Papaw wrote:

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Wrong!!!!! They never were hetero/homo, just a pseudo hetero/homo. They were always child molesters who either hid or denied their sexual choices. Just because they didn't act on those impulses for a length of time doesn't make them temporarily hetero/homo. By your logic they were never pedo until one day voila! they acted on molesting a child and temporarily became a pedo.

who cares dumbazz... gay men aren't any more a pedaphile then hopefully you aren't.. there is no harm in having gays in the boy scouts ... get over your hate... put down your 2000 year old comic book and step away from the ignorance