Scouts may lift ban on gays

Jan 29, 2013 Full story: The Indianapolis Star 596

The Boy Scouts of America is considering lifting its ban on gay Scouts and troop leaders, but to what extent the decision would have an impact in Indiana is unclear.

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#272 Feb 5, 2013
snyper wrote:
"Rick", I suspect you're referring to the extended rationalizations in Walter Breen's writings as his personality disintegrated. He was incarcerated and died in prison.
A number of scholars in the late 60's and early 70's romanticized the notion of pederasty and for many it did seem to be a natural fit with the gay rights movement as a whole and so NAMBLA and its fellow travelers were welcomed to the table. It was only as it became apparent that NAMBLA had basically devolved into little more than a network for pedophiles into little boys, that they wore out their welcome.

“Alley Cat Blues”

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#273 Feb 5, 2013
Questioning wrote:
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Of course not. But it is lifestyle.
No it isn't; it's simply a sexual orientation.

“Alley Cat Blues”

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#274 Feb 5, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
<quoted text>Those people aren't "activists" representing "my" cause.
Oh really??

“ reality, what a concept”

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#275 Feb 5, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
I don't know...but I feel if they believe it will prove some kind of point, they'll do it just because they can and would probably have them march in their parades.
Dear, the reasons we do this are simple. In principle, scouting is a good idea for many kids and families, gay or straight. The gay volunteers who have been kicked out under the ban haven't been pedophiles and child molesters, but loving parents who became involved with the group for their kids. The ban also punishes boys for no other reason than they find themselves gay after finding themselves as a scout. The ban serves no purpose other than to affirm people's seriously ugly bigotries against gay folk. Shame on them and you.
Momma

Crawfordsville, IN

#276 Feb 5, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
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None of the above; I'm a heterosexual female.
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My my! Your narcissism is showing.
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#277 Feb 5, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Dear, the reasons we do this are simple. In principle, scouting is a good idea for many kids and families, gay or straight. The gay volunteers who have been kicked out under the ban haven't been pedophiles and child molesters, but loving parents who became involved with the group for their kids. The ban also punishes boys for no other reason than they find themselves gay after finding themselves as a scout. The ban serves no purpose other than to affirm people's seriously ugly bigotries against gay folk. Shame on them and you.
The ban attempts to uphold a morally straight character which is a foundation of the scouts. It's also at least an attempt to prevent male-male molestation. My earlier statement regarding the male sex drive and their higher inclination to seek sex when it's considered taboo or illegal, should check out Web MD because that's where the information came from. You cannot tell me that mixing gay males with suggestive teenagers is a good idea. It's not bigotry dear, it's common sense.

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#278 Feb 5, 2013
Questioning wrote:
Kids are impressionable. That's it. People need to consider who is impressing what onto their kids. And whether the message is tolerable or acceptable. And what will happen when the openly gay scout finds himself bullied or harassed simply because he was placed into a potentially precarious position? I know. The lawsuits will pour down like rain. Children will be hurt, adults will be criminalized, and a long standing organization founded upon morality and values will be ground down to something valueless. Simply to make a statement. This will be a bad decision, but I guess it has and will continue to gain the media attention. That is after all what it really is all about.
Yes, kids are impressionable and if they are going to get involved in a program like scouting, they deserve good role models who aren't going to sexually abuse them when they get there.

The ban on gay folk as both volunteers and members rests on two very bigoted assumptions. The first, that being openly gay, by default, means you are not a good role model, NOTHING else matters. The second, excluding the openly and secretly homosexual from the ranks protects boys from sexual abuse. Their extensive pervert files are proof enough of how badly that worked as they didn't bother to fully vet their openly (and secretly) heterosexual volunteers so good and are likely going to be paying a heavy price for years to come for it.

The Boy Scouts have the right to exercise these bigotries if they want to, but for those being directly harmed by this bigotry and those of us who support their rights to live as gay folk who should not be being punished for no other reason than they happen to be gay folk, the Boy Scouts exercising such a right is deeply offensive. Especially when you consider that the US is one of the last nations with a boy Scout program that still practices this sort of bigotry. The UK, where Scouting was founded (by a former military officer whose biography doesn't seem to portray a man whose heart was really into his facade of heterosexuality) gave up on it years ago, it actually helped stabilize some of their membership loss as Scouting became less popular. Look into the US data, they took their slow decline in popularity and stepped on the gas peddle towards irrelevancy back in 2001 when they won the right to discriminate and chose to exercise it. The Girl Scouts dropped their opposition back in 1991 before they found out the Constitution blessed them with the right to have one. Their membership hasn't suffered as a result and they don't have lots and lots of really bad secrets either.

“ reality, what a concept”

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#279 Feb 5, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
The ban attempts to uphold a morally straight character which is a foundation of the scouts.
And of course, if someone is homosexual it is therefore impossible for them to be "morally straight", right? I find that and you "morally offensive" on so many levels.
Truth-Hurts wrote:
It's also at least an attempt to prevent male-male molestation.
When Cub Scout Den Mothers are booted for being Lesbian? Serious disconnect in that regards as they clearly didn't stop any acts of molestation that way. Very, very few openly or even seriously closeted gay men are interested in in little boys, fewer of them in fact than heterosexuals who would come with that same sick interest. The ban serves nothing to reinforce the sick, sick notion that all gay men are child molesters and straight men would never do such a thing which wrote their pervert files in the first place.
Truth-Hurts wrote:
My earlier statement regarding the male sex drive and their higher inclination to seek sex when it's considered taboo or illegal, should check out Web MD because that's where the information came from.
What you seem to have missed in your research is that the male sex drive, in some individuals, isn't being driven by their natural sexual orientation which bonds them with other adults, but some sort of mental disconnect and that drive runs over children, or other things that most folk wouldn't find the sexual interest in.
Truth-Hurts wrote:
You cannot tell me that mixing gay males with suggestive teenagers is a good idea.
It depends on who that gay male is, dear. I've met gay folk that I wouldn't want around me, let alone impressionable teenagers. Not because they were gay, mind you, but because they were who they were on top of that. And I'll bet that you have in your lifetime have also met and/or heard of more than a few heterosexuals that you'd be absolutely horrified to find hanging around boy scouts and the worry about sexual abuse would be the last thing on your mind. Content of one's character matters, not their sexual orientation.
Truth-Hurts wrote:
It's not bigotry dear, it's common sense.
Sorry, but presuming that homosexuals cannot be "morally straight", by definition and that that by definition, all homosexuals, even the female ones, only want to have sex with Boy Scouts are not examples of what one should be calling "common sense", not if you're expecting people to be able to keep their brunch down. They are NOT statements of fact (you know, the little bits of actual knowledge that make common sense even possible) sweetie, they are statements of your choice of bigotry, with absolutely nothing resembling fact to support them. Shame on you.

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#280 Feb 5, 2013
What stuck out in your post to me is "those completely heterosexual monsters". Are you saying that those gay men who molests boy are not monsters?
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Why would this concept be so difficult for you to grasp? Being sexual with someone of the same sex is no more proof of one's "homosexuality" than being sexual with someone of the opposite sex is proof of one's "heterosexuality". Like I told you before, I have thirty years of empirically proved science to back up what I have been saying, all you have offered me to disprove that is the incredibly misinformed notion that same sex sex is proof of same sex attraction. YOU and idiots like you are why so many young boys are sexually abused each year, because you are fixated on gay and not looking out for completely heterosexual monsters. You have no shame, lying to children and endangering them for no other reason than you choose to have "issues" with gay folk.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#281 Feb 5, 2013
Lets be fair. Of course when I mention this subject, not many agree. With gays in the military and now as boy scout leaders, I think heterosexual should have the same right as they are getting.

What turns gays on? People of the same sex. But they can shower and dress in the military with their own sex. How about heterosexuals men showering and dressing in the same room with women? What is that still a abomination? Would women feel comfortable with men there? But on the other hand this is pushed on men just so gay men can have equal rights.

How about heterosexual men being a girl scout leader? Many would love to go camping with these girls. But still it is out of the question based on sexual orientation. It seems to me that decimation is going on just because we are straight heterosexual men. If gays have the right to be in contact with boys, why don't we make it a even drawing board?

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#282 Feb 5, 2013
"How about heterosexual men being a girl scout leader? Many would love to go camping with these girls."

Do you realize what your statement was referring to????? Sounds like a sexual predator., which proves my point. Gay or straight or whatever, mental illness is not just a gay disease.

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#283 Feb 5, 2013
Jeanne Crain wrote:
"How about heterosexual men being a girl scout leader? Many would love to go camping with these girls."
Do you realize what your statement was referring to????? Sounds like a sexual predator., which proves my point. Gay or straight or whatever, mental illness is not just a gay disease.
Homosexuality is not a mental illness.
Wonder

Indianapolis, IN

#284 Feb 5, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
<quoted text>Homosexuality is not a mental illness.
I wonder if this will be one of the challenges in earning the Eagle Scout badge? Scout master must be sucked off 3 times.

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#285 Feb 5, 2013
DavidM wrote:
What stuck out in your post to me is "those completely heterosexual monsters". Are you saying that those gay men who molests boy are not monsters?
No, why would you even want to imagine that?

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#286 Feb 5, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
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Homosexuality is not a mental illness.
Ahem. Exactly Ms perfect. I was not referring to it as a disease found only in homosexuals..
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#287 Feb 5, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Dear, when an adult becomes a pedophile, they aren't acting according to their natural sexual orientation, but according to their illness. Even when a heterosexual man molests a little girl, he's not doing so because he is heterosexual by nature, but because he is off the beam and that little girl is the direction his sickness has taken him. The absurd notion that someone has to be in some way, shape or form actually same sex attracted to actually engage in same sex sexual acts is why so-called "homosexual pedophiles" get away with it. You are off looking for homosexuals, when it is your fellow heterosexuals sneaking off with the little boys and believe you me, they thank you for your blind eye. Look into the Jerry Sandusky case, the reason that he got away with it for so long is that he was such a role model for heterosexuality, of course nobody thought he could do such a thing, even when they saw it for themselves.

Yes anyone could be a child molester but you could not call anyone a true hetero/homosexual if they desire sex with children. Their sexual orientation is not the true definition of a hetero/homo since their primary attraction is children not adults.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#288 Feb 5, 2013
Jeanne Crain wrote:
"How about heterosexual men being a girl scout leader? Many would love to go camping with these girls."
Do you realize what your statement was referring to????? Sounds like a sexual predator., which proves my point. Gay or straight or whatever, mental illness is not just a gay disease.
Straight men have always been allowed to volunteer with the Girl Scouts and they haven't discriminated against gay folk in more than 20 years. What they do to avoid any potential problems is never allow any of their volunteers to be alone with any of the girls at any time. They pioneered what is called two-deep training, that all their volunteers go through and they are taught to keep a constant eye on each other and never to allow yourself or any other volunteer to ever be alone with one of the girls.

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#289 Feb 5, 2013
Papaw wrote:
Yes anyone could be a child molester but you could not call anyone a true hetero/homosexual if they desire sex with children. Their sexual orientation is not the true definition of a hetero/homo since their primary attraction is children not adults.
Because, for the most part, these people do also have an adult sexual orientation that they are also acting on to pass as normal while they are also feeding their illness. They are heterosexual, bisexuals and homosexuals who are also suffering from some sort of mental problem that causes them to act out in incredibly inappropriate ways. Their illness isn't an indication of, or caused by, their natural underlying adult sexual orientation.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#290 Feb 5, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Because, for the most part, these people do also have an adult sexual orientation that they are also acting on to pass as normal while they are also feeding their illness. They are heterosexual, bisexuals and homosexuals who are also suffering from some sort of mental problem that causes them to act out in incredibly inappropriate ways. Their illness isn't an indication of, or caused by, their natural underlying adult sexual orientation.
By God you're dense as a brick wall.

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#291 Feb 5, 2013
My grandchildren will not in any way be part of the Boy Scouts/Girls Scouts FACT. They are going to a real good Christian schools and they got things in there for them to do better then the Scouts. There parents will not in any way let our grandchildren close to evil like this kind of trash....

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