Smokers tapped to pay for new health plan

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A new health insurance plan for the working poor, funded by a 44-cent increase in the cigarette tax, was approved late Sunday by the state legislature.

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Sara

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#127
Apr 30, 2007
 
Well, I was thinking of quitting, but now I have to think it is my responsibility to keep smoking and paying for people with no insurance......Thanks so much Indiana
who are these people

Fort Wayne, IN

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#128
Apr 30, 2007
 
You got my vote Mayor wrote:
Take it easy. Read the article carefully. This is good for everybody. The poor will be able to go see regular doctor and get regular care just like everyone else. Most people don't pay for insurance already. They boss do. Some people do not work outside the home. I take care of three wonderful boys. And I tell you I don't live a life of luxury. Also my cousin just had a baby and the state picked up most of the tab. But it was a fight. So I don't see the big deal about the new tax. I will only go for small thing that aren't already covered by medicaid and hoosier health. Drop the Hate for Serious Debate in the End We all in it together.
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If your cousin couldn't afford to have a baby, maybe she shouldn't have gotten pregnant. I'm sorry if I don't understand why it's my responsibility to pay for someone's child that they are unable to support financially. And you're right, my boss do be payin' my health insurance... because I went to school, am unbelievably intelligent, and now they're fortunate to have me as an employee making them thousands of dollars a day.
charles stone

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#129
Apr 30, 2007
 
well now that the deed has been done there will be fall out from this the one's who voted for this are going to be out of a job.
let's show them that we can and will have the last say so enjoy what time you have left in office.
and another thing why the hell is only about 33 cents is to be used why not more? oh sorry I know why the greedy a holes are putting the rest in their pockets.
kentucky here I come I'd just as soon give you my money now Indiana can get bent as far as that goes.
Dave

Noblesville, IN

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#130
Apr 30, 2007
 
Smokers cost Hoosiers some $2 billion annually in health care costs and lost productivity.

Tell me again, who's a drag on the system?

Raising the tax to 99.5 cents still leaves Indiana lower than Michigan ($2.00)and Ohio (1.25) and only a penny more than Illinois.

As for tobacco retailers along the border of Kentucky, no one guarantees you a right to make a living.

charles stone

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#131
Apr 30, 2007
 
GO COLTS wrote:
Dang lawmakers!
Should have been a $1.00 increase!!
People (smokers) cry more over this then $4.00 a gallon gas!!!
Stop smoking .. I did 30 years ago! You can too ... if you want to.
stick that dollar up yours and if you don't like it to bad live with it a hole.
Amazing

Collinsville, MS

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#132
Apr 30, 2007
 
GO COLTS wrote:
Dang lawmakers!
Should have been a $1.00 increase!!
People (smokers) cry more over this then $4.00 a gallon gas!!!
Stop smoking .. I did 30 years ago! You can too ... if you want to.
Smokers are tired of paying someone else's bill. Maybe smokers should pay $5 per gallon of gas so the poor will only have to pay $2 or $3 per gallon. Why not. Same logic.
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#133
Apr 30, 2007
 
If everyone quit smoking, what would you anti-smokers due for your money for the poor. Why help only the poor,with this money, let them go get an education then a JOB, they probaly don't smoke anyway. I think this sucks big time.
lazyness

Indianapolis, IN

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#134
Apr 30, 2007
 
Inditaxana wrote:
I am not a smoker but I see no good from this. If I did smoke I would also look for an alternative to buying just because of the stupidity of this tax. Once it is discovered that this will not pay for health care coverage, someone else is going to pick up the tab. That someone is you and me my friend. It is true that low/no income people as a general rule smoke. They can afford to since their food stamps pay for their food and working smokers pay for their health insurance.
I'm so glad I bust my ass every day at work so my neighbor can get health insurance. I work probably 60-70 hours a week and love the fact that my neighbor who is drunk by 4pm every day can get the same health insurance that I work my ass off for. This state promotes laziness. Here's a thought... If you want something, like health insurance, WORK for it. And before you say anything, I used to make $20k/yr, but you know what? Rather then spending my money on big screen TVs' and rims for my car, I spent my money on an education and got a well paying job. The tax doesnít bother me itís where the money is going that pisses me off. The "working poor" have the same opportunities everybody else does, they just pissed them away by drinking, doing drugs, or getting someone pregnant when they where 16.
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#135
Apr 30, 2007
 
Maybe I should move to Kentucky where they probably have not had a substantial increase in taxes in years thanks to their increased revenue from people from other states contributing to their taxes.
Anon

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#136
Apr 30, 2007
 
I love how many smokers are going to go out of state to avoid taxes. That shows a level of forthought they have failed to show up till now.

No, they will do what they always do. Smoke away, buy locally and pay the tax.

If they were wise enough to plan ahead to avoid taxes, they would be wise enough to not smoke at all and avoid lung cancer, heart disease and ash tray mouth.

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#137
Apr 30, 2007
 
smokinmad wrote:
What's the logic behind saddling smokers with this health care subsidy? Because it's "easy to do" 'cause it's easy to persecute smokers (and get away with it)? Why not also tax Budaholics and BigMacaholics for "the benefit of the poor"?
I have a 67 year old brother and a 59 year old brother. Both grew up in an time when smoking was more prevalent - before the Surgeon General report and ban on advertising. About 15 years ago, the 59 year old quit smoking, the other one kept on.

The 67 year old has been battling lung cancer for four years, chronic circulation and heart issues for at least ten, and consuming all sorts of health care resources. The quitter is in good health, eats right, exercises moderately and hasnt spent much in health care the last five years.

Smokers consume health care dollars.
Smokers increase everyone's health care costs.
Smoking decreases productivity.

Why not tax alcohol? It is taxed and perhaps it should be higher....good idea.

“Your Gods' Rules not mine.”

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#138
Apr 30, 2007
 
16 years of smoking, a pack a day toward the end. I quit 8 years ago, you can do it. If we legalize pot and tax it, we could give health care and college benefits to all citizens.
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#139
Apr 30, 2007
 
Dave wrote:
Smokers cost Hoosiers some $2 billion annually in health care costs and lost productivity.
Tell me again, who's a drag on the system?
Raising the tax to 99.5 cents still leaves Indiana lower than Michigan ($2.00)and Ohio (1.25) and only a penny more than Illinois.
As for tobacco retailers along the border of Kentucky, no one guarantees you a right to make a living.
You failed to state the reason smokers are paying for the uninsured. Your statement about smokers being a drag is apple and oranges concerning the topic of smokers paying for health care for the uninsured. If you're so concerned about smokers being a drag on the health care system, then tax the smoker when they seek health care.

I think I will send you my electric bill. You shouldn't mind since you don't see a problem with smokers paying the bill for the uninsured.
Nicotine Dream

Indianapolis, IN

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#140
Apr 30, 2007
 
Ahhhhh, I just just love the smell of 2nd hand smoke in the morning!Pay me baby.
fascism

Indianapolis, IN

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#141
Apr 30, 2007
 
This is nothing more than one more incremental step towards prohibition of tobacco. The first move in the prohibition of marijuana was also a tax. There is nothing just about making smokers pay for other people's healthcare. A more fair, and freedom loving solution would be to exempt the state and employers from providing healthcare to smokers. That would ease the burden of caring for smokers, and probably induce a lot more people to quit than an annoying tax.
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#142
Apr 30, 2007
 
Sean G wrote:
What a bunch of ignorant hicks! This tax didn't even go far enough. Now listen carefully: This is a voluntary tax, like lottery tickets. The thing is, you don't like it, you don't pay it. Nobody is making you smoke (except that wicked addiction to nicotine that you are too weak to acknowledge or confront).
You want to go to KY to buy your smokes because they're 20 cents cheaper per pack? Go for it! Wow, you really beat the system, didn't you? Way to stick it to the man! Bunch of whiners...
Gee Sean maybe you need remedial math. At todays tax rate KY prices are $10.00 per carton cheaper on the average. Now your $0.20 per pack only comes to $2.00 a carton. After the tax hike they will be over $14.00 per carton cheaper.

Now as far as the addiction you are correct it is an addiction. But with every other addiction in this country you can get free help. The MSA of 98 was to help pay for tobacco cessation. But the same people who voted for this tax increase "for healthcare" are the same ones who diverted the MSA funds.

So you see even though you think that the smokers are whinning about nothing they do have a beef.

Try Sullivan Centers for that math problem.
fatties

Indianapolis, IN

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#143
Apr 30, 2007
 
Dave wrote:
Smokers cost Hoosiers some $2 billion annually in health care costs and lost productivity.
Tell me again, who's a drag on the system?
Raising the tax to 99.5 cents still leaves Indiana lower than Michigan ($2.00)and Ohio (1.25) and only a penny more than Illinois.
As for tobacco retailers along the border of Kentucky, no one guarantees you a right to make a living.
Fat people cost us much, much more. Smoking costs about $72 billion. Obesity costs about $99 billion. Tax McDonalds not cigarettes. Oh, wait... we can't do that... it's not the fat peoples fault they are addicted to food, but it's the smokers fault they are addicted to cigarettes.

Smokers Cost: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/...

Obesity Cost: http://www.lightenupindiana.com/pdf/CGLU-Bain...
Inditaxana

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#144
Apr 30, 2007
 
Non-smoker in NY wrote:
This is but one tiny, tiny step in the right direction. Alas! It is probably true that some people will cross state lines (paying for gasoline, and the outrageous taxes on that) to get that reduction of a penny in tobacco taxes.(Now who is the idiot?) The truth is that there needs to be a federal tobacco tax, and it needs to be much, much higher!! And don't get me started about the scores upon scores of smokers who seem to think they are somehow above the rest of the population and beyond litter laws, littering our streets, parks, highways, lawns, etc...with butts from their nasty habit!! Let's start fining every brainless smoker who thoughtlessly tosses their trash onto the ground!
As for the comments about "idiot legislators," I'll agree with that one wholeheartedly! I just wish some of the idiots here in NY would pick up on this one sensible piece of legislation!
There is a federal tax on cigarettes .35 per pack. Also tobacco states such as KY, VA, TN GA do have substantially lower taxes/prices on cigarettes.
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Sellersburg, IN

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#145
Apr 30, 2007
 
Smokers are hurting themselves, not others, as drunk people do.

Once again we seem to have lost the freedom to "choose" in something that only hurts the person involved.

Could this be because the beverage of choice at Washington parties might just be alcolhol? Maybe because alcolhol loosens the purse strings of those supporting the politicians?

There is something wrong with this picture!
fatties

Indianapolis, IN

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#146
Apr 30, 2007
 
sorry.... should have said "they are addicted to FAST food"... I think everybody is addicted to food in general :)

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