Bigot? Racist? Not so fast!

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Bippy Jo

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Boo Hoo Hoo. Imma pull out my race card. Oops, I accidently pulled out my credit card. That's gonna cost me so I'll put it away and pull out my race card. It my freeund. It helps me go places in this world.
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Blake wrote:
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my God tiy are the epiphany of a racist. Go some place away from society.
There is no way I am going leave society and let the uncivil have what we have worked so hard for. Sorry, it isn't that easy.

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Duchess wrote:
Seems our "leaders" in Indianapolis don't like these thugs either and are attempting to rid downtown of them. So they must be racist.........
If Simon Properties wants to continue to have such a heavy investment in downtown, they will have to DO something about it or face the alternative - "obsolesence". Everybodies money is green. Everything depends on who's paying you - color is irrelevant.
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Russia1513 wrote:
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If Simon Properties wants to continue to have such a heavy investment in downtown, they will have to DO something about it or face the alternative - "obsolesence". Everybodies money is green. Everything depends on who's paying you - color is irrelevant.
Why didn't Simon do something when the same plight was destroying at least 2 other malls in the city? I have always wondered how a wealthy business owner, with so much invested, could just sit back and let that happen. For now, it will just cost millions in tax dollars to try to take the downtown mall back, and make the downtown area safer. Only time will tell how effective the efforts will be.
The book

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Feb 5, 2013
 
Do you have the title and author of the book you reference? I assume it was actually published. I would be interested in reading it.

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AllAmerican wrote:
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Why didn't Simon do something when the same plight was destroying at least 2 other malls in the city? I have always wondered how a wealthy business owner, with so much invested, could just sit back and let that happen. For now, it will just cost millions in tax dollars to try to take the downtown mall back, and make the downtown area safer. Only time will tell how effective the efforts will be.
Did those other malls belong to Simon? Considering the amount of taxes they pay the city, it sounds to me like the onus is on the CITY to provide protection to the shoppers coming into the malls. After all, that IS what Simon pays its taxes for.
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AllAmerican wrote:
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Why didn't Simon do something when the same plight was destroying at least 2 other malls in the city? I have always wondered how a wealthy business owner, with so much invested, could just sit back and let that happen. For now, it will just cost millions in tax dollars to try to take the downtown mall back, and make the downtown area safer. Only time will tell how effective the efforts will be.
So agree. Seems they are willing to watch Circle Center turn to another Lafayette Sq. and Washington Sq. Nordstrom left because of such a decline in sales, in part due to the crime. And no one can tell me the people who roam the mall now are spending much money. Guess Simon wants to wait til someone is shot to do something. Bottom line it is not safe no matter what color you are.
AllAmerican

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Did those other malls belong to Simon? Considering the amount of taxes they pay the city, it sounds to me like the onus is on the CITY to provide protection to the shoppers coming into the malls. After all, that IS what Simon pays its taxes for.
As far as I know, at one time Washington and Lafayette Square were Simon properties. Not sure if that is still the case. Unfortunately, any security provided by the city will cost all of us. Just another means for the takers in society to dry up the well.
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The book wrote:
Do you have the title and author of the book you reference? I assume it was actually published. I would be interested in reading it.
Yes, I would love to. I do not believe it is still in print though. I need to figure out a way to get you the info without posting it on here.
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AllAmerican wrote:
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As far as I know, at one time Washington and Lafayette Square were Simon properties. Not sure if that is still the case. Unfortunately, any security provided by the city will cost all of us. Just another means for the takers in society to dry up the well.
Simon still ownes Castleton, Circle Center and Greenwood. I think they still have Washington Sq. and didn't they own Eastgate when Wasson's etc., were there? Back when it was open- air. They don't have a good history, in Indy anyway, of putting much effort in the area once it starts declining.

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Duchess wrote:
<quoted text>Simon still ownes Castleton, Circle Center and Greenwood. I think they still have Washington Sq. and didn't they own Eastgate when Wasson's etc., were there? Back when it was open- air. They don't have a good history, in Indy anyway, of putting much effort in the area once it starts declining.
There is absolutely no other explanation for what has been going on with Washington Square mall, than a big fat tax write-off for Simon.
There is no way that the tenants could be taking enough cash flow in to be paying rent, let alone payroll etc.
When you have 3 different churches in your mall, 3 or 4 barbers; and 2 consignment shops; can you really call it a shopping mall anymore?
This is all part of the Simon business model. They can hide a bunch of their other cash in those "losses" reported each quarter.
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Duchess wrote:
<quoted text>Simon still ownes Castleton, Circle Center and Greenwood. I think they still have Washington Sq. and didn't they own Eastgate when Wasson's etc., were there? Back when it was open- air. They don't have a good history, in Indy anyway, of putting much effort in the area once it starts declining.
Possibly Eastgate, I don't remember. What about Glendale? I am pretty sure that was Simon as well. Eastgate was pretty nice when I was a kid. We went there a lot. I think that was the first food court I remember seeing in a mall. I think you see little interest from Simon after things start to decline because they are smart business people. They probably know that once it starts to decline, it isn't coming back no matter what they do, therefore, why put any money into something that isn't fixable? After all, has there been a single case of a mall doing a complete turnaround and going back to its glory days? I can't think of one.
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I guess we know where Circle Center is headed. Maybe Simon wants it to fail. The bulk of the money has already been made.(?) I think back when Eastgate was thriving you could find just about anything you needed up and down Shadeland Ave. Good old days.

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I guess we know where Circle Center is headed. Maybe Simon wants it to fail. The bulk of the money has already been made.(?) I think back when Eastgate was thriving you could find just about anything you needed up and down Shadeland Ave. Good old days.
What's pitiful is while our city struggles with finances, and while IMPD struggles with manpower, we have to dump an extra 50+ cops there to babysit, at overtime wages.
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Duchess wrote:
I guess we know where Circle Center is headed. Maybe Simon wants it to fail. The bulk of the money has already been made.(?) I think back when Eastgate was thriving you could find just about anything you needed up and down Shadeland Ave. Good old days.
Yeah, all the way from Washington St. to 38th St! Sam's Pizza, Greiner's Subs, the list goes on and on. I know we have some good things left in Indy, but I miss all the places we used to go on the eastside when I was a kid. If we at out on a Friday night, it was almost always the Hong Kong Inn.
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We went to Knobby's. And then to Ayr-way on Pendleton Pike. That was big time back then.
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What's pitiful is while our city struggles with finances, and while IMPD struggles with manpower, we have to dump an extra 50+ cops there to babysit, at overtime wages.
How long will the city do this? Simon should foot the bill. Of course they are smart by not hiring extra security it forced the city to have to make a move for protection. Keeping more money in Simon pockets.
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We went to Knobby's. And then to Ayr-way on Pendleton Pike. That was big time back then.
Forgot about Knobby's! Someone needs to start a thread on the good old days in Indy and the eastside. If for no other reason, just to talk about something different for a while, instead of the gloom we are used to.

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Duchess wrote:
<quoted text>How long will the city do this? Simon should foot the bill. Of course they are smart by not hiring extra security it forced the city to have to make a move for protection. Keeping more money in Simon pockets.
I'm 100% sure they have their own mall security force. And again, I will say, the onus is on the city to handle what's going on OUTSIDE the mall.
If someone falls in my driveway they can sue me; if someone falls 2 feet out into the street, and NOT in my driveway, they can (try to)sue the city.
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<quoted text>So agree. Seems they are willing to watch Circle Center turn to another Lafayette Sq. and Washington Sq. Nordstrom left because of such a decline in sales, in part due to the crime. And no one can tell me the people who roam the mall now are spending much money. Guess Simon wants to wait til someone is shot to do something. Bottom line it is not safe no matter what color you are.
If Hoosiers were not so racist, we would not be having this problem.

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