Daniels defends child services reforms

Daniels defends child services reforms

There are 138 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Dec 7, 2007, titled Daniels defends child services reforms. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Gov. Mitch Daniels this morning defended reforms he's made to the state Department of Child Services in light of the recent death of 3-year-old TaJanay Bailey.

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karen

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Dec 7, 2007
the system is NOT BETTER

no mistake is allowed in a better system
Observer

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Dec 7, 2007
What about changing department policy so that if there is a split decision among counselors about whether a child should be removed from a home or not, the child is REMOVED pending the dispute hearing? This little girl suffered and died because professionals couldn't agree.
Pendleton Princess

Pryor, OK

#3 Dec 7, 2007
We are only human. Humans will always make mistakes.
Kim

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Dec 7, 2007
I am sorry there is a problem somewhere ! Somebody at CPS/DCS needs to be held accountable !
plh

Carmel, IN

#5 Dec 7, 2007
8 visits to her home in the last 3 weeks of her life, we have heard what the conditions of her home were...yet, w/ that and the advocate and case worker wanting to remove her, the supervisor still vetos it. I just don't get it. It has to be made public what the supervisor's explanation was regarding denying their request. How can we all not blame her if we don't hear her side of it? Without an explanation or her reasoning, all we can do is come to the conclusion she failed at her job and she must be fired.
JustMe

Girard, OH

#6 Dec 7, 2007
Observer wrote:
What about changing department policy so that if there is a split decision among counselors about whether a child should be removed from a home or not, the child is REMOVED pending the dispute hearing? This little girl suffered and died because professionals couldn't agree.
That's a good idea.
bahh

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Dec 7, 2007
too little too late Mi Amigo Mitch
BRIAN

Greentown, IN

#8 Dec 7, 2007
This isn't about an improved system. If we do not listen to the warnings and react to protect that child then no amount of policy changes can be considered an improvement. More than one person took the warning to the powers that be. What were they waiting on while that baby suffered?
Kel mom of 4

Palo Alto, CA

#9 Dec 7, 2007
I agree with both karen and observer if there is ever any question to a child safty you should remove them you can not take any chances with a child being abused or neglected. protect or children
Star reader

Pryor, OK

#10 Dec 7, 2007
The system may be better than before but there still is more to be done to make it even better. They need to use this tragic event to make more improvements to the system.
As a side note, it seems that it takes tragic events to make changes that should have happened long before.
Curious

Atlanta, IN

#11 Dec 7, 2007
Do you mean to tell me that, after having 8 visits within a 3-week time period, nobody noticed a deterioration in this child's health, in the mother's behavior, or in her boyfriend's behavior - not to mention the unlivable environment these people lived in? And since this has been on on-going situation with this poor child, there NEVER should have been a recommendation to return her to her mother.

What the folks who were involved did was talk - no action. The supervisor denied requests and then the ball dropped. Instead of taking day after day after day to mull it over, ACT - before another child is a victim of this terrible situation.

For those who say, "Oh my dear God, I WISH I would have...." well, you didn't. And now this child suffered immense pain - torture - and is dead. DEAD. DEAD. DEAD. How can you sleep at night?

I don't know what the criteria are for getting a job with the DCS - perhaps a degree. However, you don't need a degree to HAVE COMMON SENSE.

Yes, the "system" failed this child. More importantly, the people IN that system failed her.
Curious

Atlanta, IN

#12 Dec 7, 2007
plh wrote:
8 visits to her home in the last 3 weeks of her life, we have heard what the conditions of her home were...yet, w/ that and the advocate and case worker wanting to remove her, the supervisor still vetos it. I just don't get it. It has to be made public what the supervisor's explanation was regarding denying their request. How can we all not blame her if we don't hear her side of it? Without an explanation or her reasoning, all we can do is come to the conclusion she failed at her job and she must be fired.
I agree with you totally. Had she listened to the people who were witness to this child's living conditions, we wouldn't be outraged about another death of an innocent child.

That system needs to be PROACTIVE and not REACTIVE.
WhutZatSmell

Cincinnati, OH

#13 Dec 7, 2007
Wait a minute ... who has got what on how many? Really, somebody has got to have some do-do on the other to get the govenor's "tragic human error of judgement!" line of Krapp!
You schmuck ... you sound just like Pontius Pilate when he met ... aw, never mind!
Good point

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Dec 7, 2007
Good point, Mitch. The fact that there was flurry of activity days before her death does seem to be a good thing -- even if a wrong decision was made. Much better than cases languishes for months with no attention. I agree with the other poster. If in doubt -- get the kids out! Better that there be a child to make a decision about, rather than none at all.

Tajanay is in a better place now. There's no slum lords making millions off of taxpayers funding section 8 housing in heaven.
COMMON SENSE

Carmel, IN

#15 Dec 7, 2007
Observer wrote:
What about changing department policy so that if there is a split decision among counselors about whether a child should be removed from a home or not, the child is REMOVED pending the dispute hearing? This little girl suffered and died because professionals couldn't agree.
This little girl died because her mother killed her. Her uncle who is a minister blamed everyone but his niece. I can't understand where this minister was when he was needed. His church could have helped these people, but all they want to do is point the finger after the fact.

DCS still needs work, but all of these people who are taking away blame from the mother and her boy-friend, are simply allowing welfare folks to continue living in the cycle they have been in for years

None of this will change until we demand responsibilty from those the government is helping. Any one who is caught a second time abusing, drugs, the system, their children what ever should be put on probation from the system and must attend classes and get a job etc., before any more money is given.
Curious

Atlanta, IN

#16 Dec 7, 2007
Pendleton Princess wrote:
We are only human. Humans will always make mistakes.
If you could have talked to TaJanay during her last breathing moments, is that how you would have explained her impending death to her? "I'm sorry, little one, your continued abuse and neglect was a mistake by someone."
SHAME ON GOV

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Dec 7, 2007
Gov Daniels cannot admit to egg being on his face after getting the award he did. Gov Daniels you should be ashamed picking your pride over the safety of a child!! SHAME..SHAME..SHAME
Outraged

Claypool, IN

#18 Dec 7, 2007
I have always been a supporter of Governor Daniels. However, I am outraged that he can defend Children's Services. Jim Payne needs to go and that supervisor who would not take the advice of the case manager and other two advocates should be FIRED!
sheri

New Castle, IN

#19 Dec 7, 2007
Yes we are all human but this is a innocent child who needed those people to speak up for her this supervisor should be removed! How many more children are out there that are in a similar situation and this supervisor vetos yet another child stay with an abusive family something should have been done when the caseworker and advocate thought she should be removed.
Mary

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Dec 7, 2007
Observer wrote:
What about changing department policy so that if there is a split decision among counselors about whether a child should be removed from a home or not, the child is REMOVED pending the dispute hearing? This little girl suffered and died because professionals couldn't agree.
I believe Hayes only signed off bc her superior "made her". Thsi should not be the case. If you feel strongly about it you dont just back down for your jobs sake, hell you are there to help kids. That is your job, you do what you have to do, immediately when a childs life is in the balance, not what you have to do to be a team player. I hate to think how bad the ones who wanted to go against her feel because they didnt have time because of the holidays. If it has to come down to vigilante work, get kids out of danger an worry about explaining a "kidnapping" later. It may be the only chance to save them.

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