David

United States

#43 Jun 6, 2012
The flood of crocodile tears, the feigned rightious indignation, the manufactured sincerity, the synthesized drama...gay proponents have a deep bag of depraved damage-control.
Linda Bledsoe

United States

#44 Jun 7, 2012
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Many people are harmed or die every year from having to use old blood (or just having a shortage)... and with testing the way it is, the expected increased incidence of HIV transmission by allowing MSMs to give (with the standard deferral) is something like one person every few hundred years. This restriction, especially given the leniency on other things and the refusal to consider other hugely important demographics to the statistics (education, income, race, etc), just doesn't make much sense. Example: A lifetime manogomous gay couple, who were even tested negative for HIV, can't give ... ever ... but some guy who had unprotected anal sex with hundreds of HIV+ prostitutes could try and give a year later (if the prostitutes were female).
This ban is primarily political in nature. The blood banks are against the ban BTW. I'm not saying all MSMs should be allowed to give, but there surely a better way to do this. And, just FYI, I keep saying MSM because there are a heck of a lot more of them than just gay-identified men (and I doubt many of those non-gays with a SS experience know or pay attention to the MSM restriction anyway).
I would love to know where you came up with all that nonsense. I understand this is the internet and you can fabricate statistics out of thin air, but your nonsense is so far-fetched that nobody with an education beyond 4th grade should believe you. The blood banks most certainly DO NOT want to exponentially increase the odds of having HIV+ donors. You are crazy to suggest otherwise.
voice from the desert

Southampton, PA

#45 Nov 30, 2012
GayTexan wrote:
and what's your point my dear neighbor Samantha?
I'm a gay man and have never known a person with aids.
Then lets hope you get aids soon,suffer lots,then die...
Jim

Indianapolis, IN

#46 Dec 2, 2012
Straight men are responsible for 100% of children supported by public assistance. Whaddyagonnado?
Shadowman

Calgary, Canada

#47 May 20, 2013
Homosexual and bisexual men are the highest risk group, no question. According to the CDC, homosexuals and bisexual men are now the only group where HIV/AIDS is growing annually. Blacks are seven times more likely to get HIV/AIDS, Hispanics are 20% more likely, and homosexuals and bisexuals are 46% more likely to become infected, with a current 61% infection rate, and another one-third are already infected but won't yet know it until they become chronically sick.

So try and tell me again that homosexuality is 'normal?'

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#48 May 20, 2013
We're evidently as "normal" as everyone else who gets it.

When [polio spread during the 50's, it primarily affected chio;dren. I guess being a child isn't "normal" either.
Shadowman wrote:
Homosexual and bisexual men are the highest risk group, no question. According to the CDC, homosexuals and bisexual men are now the only group where HIV/AIDS is growing annually. Blacks are seven times more likely to get HIV/AIDS, Hispanics are 20% more likely, and homosexuals and bisexuals are 46% more likely to become infected, with a current 61% infection rate, and another one-third are already infected but won't yet know it until they become chronically sick.
So try and tell me again that homosexuality is 'normal?'
Linda Bledsoe

Pittsburgh, PA

#49 May 22, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
We're evidently as "normal" as everyone else who gets it.
When [polio spread during the 50's, it primarily affected chio;dren. I guess being a child isn't "normal" either.
<quoted text>
You have a very interesting pattern of working around facts that upset you. The topic has nothing to do with polio, but you will do anything to draw attention away from the fact that AIDS infections are largely attributed to gay men. We all know you are a vile homosexual, a bigot, and a scumbag. You have proven that for years on this forum. However, you never want to address the problems associated with the gay community and refuse to have a discussion where you focus on those problems rather than some self-loathing hissy fit about some other group that deflects from the real point. What is up with that?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#52 May 22, 2013
Because what you consider facts tend not to be. CDC stats refer to men who have sex with men, not just gays. Secondly, these stats rely on who is reporting what; many states don't report at all. But when you throw out numbers like 61%, you fail to understand that it's only an estimate because, as the CDC notes, only about 25% of heteros know their HIV status. Gays are far more likely to get tested and thus to be included, whereas HIV+ heteros may not be reported for years, if at all.

Currently your stats describe a room with 10 people in it. Six are gay, 4 are straight, and all are HIV+. However, it doesn't give an accurate number for how many people SHOULD be in the room, nor does it show how they were infected.
Linda Bledsoe wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a very interesting pattern of working around facts that upset you. The topic has nothing to do with polio, but you will do anything to draw attention away from the fact that AIDS infections are largely attributed to gay men. We all know you are a vile homosexual, a bigot, and a scumbag. You have proven that for years on this forum. However, you never want to address the problems associated with the gay community and refuse to have a discussion where you focus on those problems rather than some self-loathing hissy fit about some other group that deflects from the real point. What is up with that?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#53 May 22, 2013
Sorry, fucwit, but you heteros were calling us gay for centuries. It's only relatively recently that we took the word away from you and changed its aspect from an epithet to a compliment.
cpeter1313 wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay is gay any way or where it is done. Facts are still the facts. Perversion is still perversion. The homosexual lifestyle is anything but gay. And then homosexuals at to co-opt a perfectly good word like gay and turn it into something shameful !
Linda Bledsoe

Pittsburgh, PA

#54 May 22, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Because what you consider facts tend not to be. CDC stats refer to men who have sex with men, not just gays. Secondly, these stats rely on who is reporting what; many states don't report at all. But when you throw out numbers like 61%, you fail to understand that it's only an estimate because, as the CDC notes, only about 25% of heteros know their HIV status. Gays are far more likely to get tested and thus to be included, whereas HIV+ heteros may not be reported for years, if at all.
Currently your stats describe a room with 10 people in it. Six are gay, 4 are straight, and all are HIV+. However, it doesn't give an accurate number for how many people SHOULD be in the room, nor does it show how they were infected.
<quoted text>
I don't think you want to include non-tested individuals in this conversation as it will only further deteriorate your argument. Because the rate of HIV is so much higher in homosexual males, even if there is a lower percentage that is untested, the resulting AIDS victims will still be higher because so many more homosexuals have AIDS to begin with. Your desire for this to be a heterosexual issue doesn't make it so. Straight people are not dropping dead from AIDS at the same rate, and even if they were "untested", they would still be dropping dead like their HIV+ homosexual neighbors if they really had the disease like you infer. However, that isn't happening so let's discuss reality. Don't continue to prove yourself inept. I know you are smarter than you are letting on. You are just very scared to address reality, which I find ironic and sad.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#56 May 22, 2013
It can take YEARS for HIV to manifest, not to mention that a portion of the population will be asymptomatic, just like with any disease.

You're not getting it--gay males GET TESTED at a far higher rate than straights. You're also presuming all gay males are sexually active or promiscuous. There just aren't the hordes of undx'd gay men out there you think there are.

The rate of HIV in the gay male population is 5%. It's not the statistic likes to see, but it's also not he end of the world. You might also want to check timelines--HIV became more prevalent in the straight community AFTER safe-sex was codified and after gays radically lowered their own transmission rates. Y'all evidently can't learn.
Linda Bledsoe wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think you want to include non-tested individuals in this conversation as it will only further deteriorate your argument. Because the rate of HIV is so much higher in homosexual males, even if there is a lower percentage that is untested, the resulting AIDS victims will still be higher because so many more homosexuals have AIDS to begin with. Your desire for this to be a heterosexual issue doesn't make it so. Straight people are not dropping dead from AIDS at the same rate, and even if they were "untested", they would still be dropping dead like their HIV+ homosexual neighbors if they really had the disease like you infer. However, that isn't happening so let's discuss reality. Don't continue to prove yourself inept. I know you are smarter than you are letting on. You are just very scared to address reality, which I find ironic and sad.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#57 May 22, 2013
"Gay" was used as an insult in terms of sexual profligacy as far back as shakespeare. Sorry you didn't get any education.
cpeter1313 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just the opposite, you took a compliment and turned it into a epithet. Perversion is perversion. Your lies no longer are believed.
Linda Bledsoe

Pittsburgh, PA

#58 May 22, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
gay males GET TESTED at a far higher rate than straights. <quoted text>
I already explained to you that this is a meaningless point. Certainly 100% of homosexuals are not tested and certainly 0% of heterosexuals are not tested. If 19% of known homosexuals are verified to be AIDS victims, we would need to know the % of known heterosexuals who are verified to be AIDS victims. Then we can simply extrapolate the percentages against the appropriate population totals to accurately estimate how many of the "non-tested" subjects are likely to be victims of the disease. However, because you are a fool who doesn't understand math, this won't make sense to you.

**********

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/...

As a group, gay, bisexual, and other MSM have an increased chance of being exposed to HIV because of the large number of MSM living with HIV. Results of HIV testing conducted in 21 cities as part of the National HIV Behavioral Surveillance System indicated that 19% of MSM tested in 2008 were HIV-positive and that HIV prevalence increased with increasing age and decreased with increasing education and income. Men aged 40 years and older had higher rates of HIV infection than men aged 18 to 39.

Further, many gay and bisexual men with HIV do not know they have HIV, especially MSM of color and young MSM. Of MSM who tested positive for HIV in 2008, 44% did not know they were infected. Among those infected, young MSM (aged 18 to 29 years; 63%) and racial/ethnic minority MSM (54%) were more likely to be unaware they had HIV. Persons who don't know they have HIV don't get medical care and can unknowingly infect others. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that all MSM get tested for HIV at least once a year. Sexually active MSM might benefit from HIV testing every 3 to 6 months.

Sexual risk behaviors account for most HIV infections in MSM. Unprotected receptive anal sex is the sexual behavior that carries the highest risk for HIV acquisition. For sexually active MSM, the most effective ways to prevent HIV and many other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are to avoid anal sex, or for MSM who do have anal sex, to always use condoms. MSM are at increased risk for syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, and CDC recommends that all sexually active MSM be tested annually for these STIs.

**********

You absolutely cannot dispute that AIDS is primarily a gay male disease. Is the CDC a bunch of homophobes? Is every doctor who studies the disease and makes similar conclusions based on facts a homophobe? Since when does standing behind verifiable facts make one a homophobe or a bigot? Just because you don't like what the facts say about "your" peer group? Give me a break. You don't have to hate gays to understand and admit that AIDS is primarily an issue to gay males and they have the highest rate of infection. Now piss off, child.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#59 May 22, 2013
You don't get it Linda. If you say anything against gays, you belong to some hate group. It does not matter how you personalty feel about gay rights or marriage. I wonder, what if you are gay and agree with some of these issue on the wrong side?
Linda Bledsoe wrote:
<quoted text>
I already explained to you that this is a meaningless point. Certainly 100% of homosexuals are not tested and certainly 0% of heterosexuals are not tested. If 19% of known homosexuals are verified to be AIDS victims, we would need to know the % of known heterosexuals who are verified to be AIDS victims. Then we can simply extrapolate the percentages against the appropriate population totals to accurately estimate how many of the "non-tested" subjects are likely to be victims of the disease. However, because you are a fool who doesn't understand math, this won't make sense to you.
**********
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/...
As a group, gay, bisexual, and other MSM have an increased chance of being exposed to HIV because of the large number of MSM living with HIV. Results of HIV testing conducted in 21 cities as part of the National HIV Behavioral Surveillance System indicated that 19% of MSM tested in 2008 were HIV-positive and that HIV prevalence increased with increasing age and decreased with increasing education and income. Men aged 40 years and older had higher rates of HIV infection than men aged 18 to 39.
Further, many gay and bisexual men with HIV do not know they have HIV, especially MSM of color and young MSM. Of MSM who tested positive for HIV in 2008, 44% did not know they were infected. Among those infected, young MSM (aged 18 to 29 years; 63%) and racial/ethnic minority MSM (54%) were more likely to be unaware they had HIV. Persons who don't know they have HIV don't get medical care and can unknowingly infect others. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that all MSM get tested for HIV at least once a year. Sexually active MSM might benefit from HIV testing every 3 to 6 months.
Sexual risk behaviors account for most HIV infections in MSM. Unprotected receptive anal sex is the sexual behavior that carries the highest risk for HIV acquisition. For sexually active MSM, the most effective ways to prevent HIV and many other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are to avoid anal sex, or for MSM who do have anal sex, to always use condoms. MSM are at increased risk for syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, and CDC recommends that all sexually active MSM be tested annually for these STIs.
**********
You absolutely cannot dispute that AIDS is primarily a gay male disease. Is the CDC a bunch of homophobes? Is every doctor who studies the disease and makes similar conclusions based on facts a homophobe? Since when does standing behind verifiable facts make one a homophobe or a bigot? Just because you don't like what the facts say about "your" peer group? Give me a break. You don't have to hate gays to understand and admit that AIDS is primarily an issue to gay males and they have the highest rate of infection. Now piss off, child.
Dumb Americans

Muncie, IN

#60 May 22, 2013
DavidM wrote:
You don't get it Linda. If you say anything against gays, you belong to some hate group. It does not matter how you personalty feel about gay rights or marriage. I wonder, what if you are gay and agree with some of these issue on the wrong side?
<quoted text>
Uh huh. If you say anything against the thoughts of DavidM you're accused of being hateful and full of spite.

I guess it works both ways,eh?

Americans are the dumbest people. They look dirty too.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#61 May 23, 2013
What is the number of my post where I said anyone belong to any hate group? Where I have been "hateful". Or where I have called anyone a bad name? Now do you belong to DavidM hate group? You must.
Dumb Americans wrote:
<quoted text>Uh huh. If you say anything against the thoughts of DavidM you're accused of being hateful and full of spite.
I guess it works both ways,eh?
Americans are the dumbest people. They look dirty too.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#64 May 23, 2013
How weak you are that you have to alter posts from your betters before you can even begin to "debate" them.
cpeter1313 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for clearing that up. So we can conclude that perversion is perversion in the Gay Community. Also, those odds don't look too good. Better to be straight, than sorry !
ummm...

Indianapolis, IN

#65 May 25, 2013
gobot wrote:
<quoted text>Moral of the story: Don't go to jail. Homosexuality increases the risk for HIV. Drug users too. It is a result of bad choices.
You're mentally retarded.
ummm...

Indianapolis, IN

#66 May 25, 2013
Ali wrote:
I'm unsure why people would be amazed at the significant number of gay men who are HIV positive or even have full-blown AIDS. Even if the man only has a few partners, the very sex act they favor readily lends itself to sharing the HIV virus. Surely, these men don't believe their sexual acts from the 'rear' are normal sexual acts. Each part on our bodies seems designed for a purpose. The eyes are for seeing, the ears are for hearing, the anus is for waste removal. Good grief, what can be normal about inserting a male body part into your anus?
Get laid please!
ummm...

Indianapolis, IN

#67 May 25, 2013
garf wrote:
Nothing sexier than an aids ridden man with lesions all over him who talks with a lisp.

NOT!!!
I'm sure you're like 40 and fat, depressed popping Vicodin to ease the pain of your failure of a life, but if you're not gay, yes.. Chances are you're not attracted to gay men. As for lesions from AIDs, many diseases give you lesions... It's an illness, don't think it was intended to be sexy.

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