Smokers still puffing away at Indy ai...

Smokers still puffing away at Indy airport despite new ban

There are 1078 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 1, 2008, titled Smokers still puffing away at Indy airport despite new ban. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Mustering the courage to board a plane bound for Los Angeles, 77-year-old Madeline Kortman sat down on a cold outdoor bench Tuesday to smoke a cigarette before heading inside Indianapolis International Airport.

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disgusting

AOL

#443 Jan 3, 2008
Vocal Thinker wrote:
OIFVET wrote: "40% of all smokers have some sort of mental illness." What kind of Crack Pipe are you smoking? What a total moron! By the way, I am an ex-smoker...
If someone is addicted to something, they have a mental illness. No?
fluteman greg

Collinsville, MS

#442 Jan 3, 2008
AnnaLynn wrote:
<quoted text>
They aren't just complaining. They are continuing to smoke on airport property. If it were really all about property rights, the airport wouldn't have to enforce the ban, smokers would simply accept it.
But it's not about poperty owner's rights after all.
Now you're just being ridiculous. The airport has gone on notice saying they aren't enforcing the ban yet. What part of that do you not understand? If they aren't enforcing it, what do you realistically expect. What if the State Police announced they aren't enforcing the speed limit for a certain period of time? Would you expect everyone to drive at the speed limit? That's EXTREMELY naive.

Any yes, smoking bans are entirely about property rights.

“English, please?”

Since: May 07

London (not that one)

#444 Jan 3, 2008
fluteman greg wrote:
<quoted text>25% of the population isn't telling the 75% that they have to tolerate anything. 25% of the population is telling the other 75% to stay the h*ll out of areas that are designated smoking areas. Instead the antis would rather stroll through designated smoking areas so they can complain.
When you cluster around the entryways of places where we have every legitimate right to be, you leave us no choice.

What right to you have to tell other people where they can and cannot go? Who put you in charge of my freedom of association?
fluteman greg

Collinsville, MS

#445 Jan 3, 2008
AnnaLynn wrote:
<quoted text>
An airport that doesn't allow airplanes wouldn't be much of an airport, now, would it?
You're correct, but did you intentionally avoid the point he was making?

“English, please?”

Since: May 07

London (not that one)

#446 Jan 3, 2008
disgusting wrote:
Unfortunately, buildings with smoking rooms have a problem with smokers using bathrooms, doorways and other rooms to smoke in as well. The reason why rooms have been banned is because of those bad apples who chose not to use designated smoking areas. They are like animals who urinate inside the house. It's unsanitary and the stench never goes away.
Isn't that always the problem? If we could somehow eliminate the people who just WON'T follow the rules...

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis, IN

#447 Jan 3, 2008
i agree. why don't we just be a communist society and get it over with. next "they" will try to regulate when and where you can take a dump!! BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING
larry jackson wrote:
Again, we have the tyranny of the majority. The essance of democracy is to restrict undesirable behavior but to force a blanket prohibition of a legal activity is contrary to democracy.
I don't like diesel smoke but I don't expect Greyhound to park their buses.
fluteman greg

Collinsville, MS

#448 Jan 3, 2008
AnnaLynn wrote:
<quoted text>
If more smokers had been considerate to begin with, there wouldn't be so many antis.
We're anti because 25% of the population thinks they should be allowed to force their smoke on anyone within range whenever the mood strikes without so much as a "Mind if I smoke?".
There is ABSOLUTELY nothing inconsiderate with a smoker smoking in a "designated" area. However, it's inconsiderate when antis complain to smokers smoking in designated areas. If you don't like the location of the designated area then blame the owner, not the smoker. In general public areas away from designated areas, personally I am very aware of my surrounding wrt lighting up. You need to distinguish if you're referring to smoking areas or not. That makes a huge difference.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis, IN

#449 Jan 3, 2008
maybe this should apply to obese people too proably like yourself.
outside the box wrote:
Smoker,you are not being taxed enough to cover even a tiny fraction of the damages you incur...yet alone the "uninsured". Maybe anyone under the age of 50 who smokes should be denied access to health insurance of any kind...and their kids too.
disgusting

AOL

#450 Jan 3, 2008
gre wrote:
<quoted text>I am a smoker and I agree that many smokers are inconsiderate regarding our habit. If the smokers of the community would be more considerate of the non-smokers (i.e.-smoking away from traffic areas, etc.) I believe that more would be willing for compromise. I don't believe that the antis, however, will ever be willing to compromise.
Nonsmokers have been compromising and dying for years now. They want to be able to go out in public without getting sick from your cigarettes. It's time for smokers to be considerate and understand why people don't want to be around their filthy habit in public. Smokers have to understand they don't have a right to make people sick, especially kids. I can't fathom why a smoker thinks he should be able to smoke around a baby, knowing how harmful it is to it's delicate lungs and tiny developing body. When you ride in an ambulance with a mother who when into a dangerous SVT at a shopping mall due to the nicotine in the air-you wonder why. She could have died and left her children without a mom. When you get an emergency call from a restaurant because a young boy is having an asthma attack because the smoke was too much for his lungs, you have to wonder why. Why are there so many inconsiderate people in this world who think they have a right to harm others. Disgusting.
Hooiser Fan

Lafayette, IN

#451 Jan 3, 2008
disgusting wrote:
<quoted text>You must have missed my comments on that. A designated smoking area must not be financed with public money. A private donor should fund such a room so long as it does not share the same duct work. It must be independently serviced by it's own HVAC system and vented to the outside. An admission charge should be imposed to maintain the room, and to keep minors out.
Unfortunately, buildings with smoking rooms have a problem with smokers using bathrooms, doorways and other rooms to smoke in as well. The reason why rooms have been banned is because of those bad apples who chose not to use designated smoking areas. They are like animals who urinate inside the house. It's unsanitary and the stench never goes away.
Wake Up Disgusting,

They can finance this with the taxes that all smokers pay on cigarettes if they can control themselves from spending it on some other trivial, irresponsible items.

That is not public money, that is money that the government collects during it's discrimination against smokers.
Smoker

Fishers, IN

#452 Jan 3, 2008
concerned nonsmoker wrote:
I picked up my sister from the airport in October. She had to wait outside for a brief time and when she got in the car she reeked of cigarette smoke. It was disgusting. I, also, did not feel it was good for the health of any of those in my car including two preschoolers. I do not want to have to wait or walk through their smoke.
Why did you even let her in the car? My goodness--Why was she standing with smokers?
She had a choice not to stand in the smoke!

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis, IN

#453 Jan 3, 2008
AWESOME POST! YOU ROCK
tuck wrote:
It amuses me that smoking is always the front runner for the self righteous. They feel that because they do not smoke that nobody should. The same arguments arise about how it stinks or it drains tax money.
But I wonder how many of these people that complain about the smokers are obese. While 25% of hoosiers smoke, 60% of our fellow hoosiers are obese. Do these people not drain tax dollars from the system as well? Where is the outrage over this?
The other argument is secondhand smoke kills. While it is true that it does kill about 1000 hoosiers a year. Drunk driving kills about 1000 hoosiers every three years. While the secondhand smoke is 3 times the amount of drunk driving deaths does that number truly matter. Isn't one death on either statistic too much?
I guess each and every nonsmoker that complains about a smoker is in good shape and never driven while close to the .08 limit.
Instead of complaining about others bad habits perhaps you should take a look at your own.
and no I don't smoke...
disgusting

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#454 Jan 3, 2008
AnnaLynn wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that always the problem? If we could somehow eliminate the people who just WON'T follow the rules...
You are scary.
Earn It

Carmel, IN

#455 Jan 3, 2008
thegeezer wrote:
Are smokers the last group for which we can display 'guilt-free' politically-correct disdain?
Doubtful. Once those evil and unamerican smokers are eliminated I'm sure society can then move onto the over weight, the overly short/tall and the physically unattractive. All while they sooth themselves with the montra of "it's for their own good".

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#456 Jan 3, 2008
I have the last say so about smoking bans. If I disagree with the smoking ban at any business, it my right not to buy there product. I have a right not to eat out if I disagree with their rules. If more people would follow this, I bet that you would see changes.

You never hear of the business before this came to law that went out of because they decided that they would become smoke free.

A few years ago I use to go the to a place to eat that had a sign in the widow stating that they would go smoke free in 30 days. When I entered I notice everyone was sitting in the smoking section. Sixty days after they went smoke free, they closed the doors.

This is why I always buy my tobacco at tobacco stores which still allows smoking. If I canít smoke, I am not going to buy from you.
Hot Dogs

Marysville, OH

#457 Jan 3, 2008
All you smokers have bad breath, your hair and clothes stink, and your children smell like second hand smoke poor things.

QUIT NOW!
Dude

Detroit, MI

#458 Jan 3, 2008
AnnaLynn wrote:
<quoted text>
They aren't just complaining. They are continuing to smoke on airport property. If it were really all about property rights, the airport wouldn't have to enforce the ban, smokers would simply accept it.
But it's not about poperty owner's rights after all.
As far as I know, the ban is under review and not being enforced now. Which effectively means there is no ban as we speak. So it seems that smokers are allowed to smoke outside until the matter is resolved.(I could be wrong, but that's what I understand as of now).

When I state that it's about property rights, that is my position. It's obvious most people don't seem to agree. If people smoke anyway, it doesn't make me wrong... it just means they don't agree or care.
disgusting

AOL

#459 Jan 3, 2008
fluteman greg wrote:
<quoted text>Now you're just being ridiculous. The airport has gone on notice saying they aren't enforcing the ban yet. What part of that do you not understand? If they aren't enforcing it, what do you realistically expect. What if the State Police announced they aren't enforcing the speed limit for a certain period of time? Would you expect everyone to drive at the speed limit? That's EXTREMELY naive.
Any yes, smoking bans are entirely about property rights.
The airport is not private. It's a shame they are not enforcing it because people won't follow it. It seems to me the real morons are the idiots smoking where they shouldn't be smoking. They should be escorted off the grounds with a huge fine. When enough miss their flights, that may curtail the problem once and for all.

“English, please?”

Since: May 07

London (not that one)

#460 Jan 3, 2008
fluteman greg wrote:
<quoted text>There is ABSOLUTELY nothing inconsiderate with a smoker smoking in a "designated" area. However, it's inconsiderate when antis complain to smokers smoking in designated areas. If you don't like the location of the designated area then blame the owner, not the smoker. In general public areas away from designated areas, personally I am very aware of my surrounding wrt lighting up. You need to distinguish if you're referring to smoking areas or not. That makes a huge difference.
I thought it was pretty clear that I was talking about areas which have not been designated for smoking. I suspect you knew that, but decided to ignore it because there was no handle to hang your rant on.

I've lost track of how many times I've had to repeat this and I'm starting to wish we had sig lines: I've said all along that closing the smoking lounge was a bad idea.

Did I type that in infrared or something?
Earn It

Carmel, IN

#461 Jan 3, 2008
Tonyn1 wrote:
Why don't you move. We are the majority. By the way, you failed to answer my question. WHAT VITAL PUBLIC INTEREST DOES SMOKING SERVE?
Is vital public interest the new measuring stick? In that case the mentally handicapped and the old and infirm had best get their affairs in order. It can't be long before people like you look to elimate them since they serve no use to the public.

Do you really believe your own line of bull or is it just that you expect the rest of us to believe it?

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