Star intentionally insults Park Tudor

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I find it fascinating that The Star recently went out of its way to pronounce its piety in not revealing the identity of certain news subjects, yet employed a sidebar to highlight the names of the high school ...
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Jun 6, 2007
 
Shame is a horrible thing, right Ollie?
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Jun 6, 2007
 
My but isn't our reshaped nose out of joint.

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Jun 6, 2007
 
The names were also published in the other alcohol busts in Zionsville, and I don't think they were Park Tudor students.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
Then again it is people like Oliver that likes to keep the story of the PT kids in the news.
"The story is newsworthy because of the celebrity involved." Come on, Jack is a celebrity? I bet he walks around at the local Wal-Mart (HA) and doesn't get recognized. Maybe at the local liquor store, but that's about all his celebrity is worth.

Bottom line the kids should not have been drinking being from Park Tudor or Pike.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
but I think they sort of did intentionally name names. Not to spite the individual kids, but to spite the school. They probably would have done the same for Carmel or North Central with a high profile party host. On the plus side, I don't remember any of the names. I did see one that was going to U.Va. listed as one who was arrested. I remember thinking - "what good practice for U.Va.", having just visited my brother who is a professor at U.Va. It's not that big a deal for the students. Jack Trudeau seems to have some alcohol issues. Steve and Tomisue - are Steve and Tomisue. Nothing new - nobody's lives are ruined.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
Welcome to the world of the National Enquirer Star. While BS, it's the same reason Paris Hilton going to jail is "big" news.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
"reshaped nose?" Not really sure what that's all about. If it's what I think it means, then that's the kind of ignorant sterotyping that's all too common. Park Tudor = rich = vain = plastic surgery? Okay then Richard = judgmental = uneducated = hillbilly loser.

As for the mention of the Zionsville kids, it came afterwards, was not eleven people, and the kids were not under the supervision of elder adults who approved of their drinking. But never mind all that, in my opinion, a newspaper in a major city should have better things to cover than penny-ante crap like that which is an everyday occurence. Kids drink. Duh. Think you'd see a story like that in the LA Times or Philly Inquirer?

Also, if The Star editors thought the names HAD to be included, a sidebar (utilized in print media to highlight or make more prominent) was inappropriate. They could have been listed at the end of the story.

Also, the term "celebrity" does not exclusively apply to the super-famous people we all know (Paris Hilton, David Letterman, Oprah, etc.), it is a proper term to describe a widely known person. As Trudeau was a starting NFL/Colts quarterback, he is a well-known figure.

Hate To Say It: You are right on with the "spite" comment. I believe that might be part of it.

Look, I'm not taking up for any of these people or saying that Park Tudor kids are special or deserve preferential treatment, I'm just saying that publishing the names of all the teens in this specific story was wrong. Technically, they're adults--I understand that. But let's keep in mind that they were in the care of real ADULTS, elders who implicitly approved of their illegal behavior. There are thousands of kids busted for drinking that don't get their names in the paper. That these teens felt they were drinking in a safe environment, under the care of consenting elder adults, makes their crime less egregious than the kids who steal away and deliberately mislead others to do the same thing.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
I agree to some extent with Oliver. I don't think that the police busted the party just because it was Jack Trudeau's house. Those "Party Crashers" signs were all over Zionsville... I hate to say it, but Mr. Trudeau had it coming if he ignored all the warning signs. However, from the time the first police arrived at the house, the whole situation was managed poorly. You do not need 20 police cars, 50 officers, six law enforcement agencies, spotlights, and a school bus to bust a high school graduation party where only 13 people were arrested.

The sidebar with the names in the Star was utterly unnecessary. The names easily could have been put inconspicuously at the end of the article, like the article yesterday about the Zionsville and Carmel parties. When you compare the way that the names were stated in both articles, it comes down to this: The Park Tudor students' names were highlighted, and the Carmel/Zionesville students' names were not. I believe that does show some degree of malice spite, or perhaps merely disrespect.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
Park Tudor; get over yourself.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
Further more, I feel that I must defend my school. Park Tudor is a good place with good people. I am not saying we are perfect- we do have a few rotten apples, just like most schools.

Granted, there are several high-profile, rich, families associated with Park Tudor. However, the majority of us are "regular" people from "regular" families that have made the conscious choice to sacrifice, admittedly in varying degrees, in order to send us to PT. Many of Park Tudor's students have jobs during the school year and summer (NOT at "daddy's company" in addition to donating thousands of hours (collectively) to the community. It is a requirement of PT that every single student do volunteer work, and most students voluntarily exceed the minimum requirement. We work hard academically and get results for it. Our good grades and Ivy League colleges (for the 4.3 - 8% of us that go Ivy League) are not just handed to us. Frankly, we work our asses off, because we have to to get through Park Tudor with our GPAs intact. Park Tudor has no IB program because it is supposedly too easy... they created a similar, more rigorous program instead.

We do not think we are better than everyone else, which many people in this city seem to believe. We, for the most part, are regular kids who receieved an amazing education because our parents sacrificed (many Park Tudor students, by the way, are on partial or full scholarship). Again, I am not saying that PT students are perfect. I am just saying that we're not any worse than any other group of high schoolers. So, please, don't insult my school and its student body when you don't really know anything about them.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
Oliver wrote:
That these teens felt they were drinking in a safe environment, under the care of consenting elder adults, makes their crime less egregious than the kids who steal away and deliberately mislead others to do the same thing.
What?!?!

Breaking the law in front of someone who has no ability to waive enforcement of the law in no way makes it less of a crime than doing it in secret. If anything, breaking the law in front of a number of witnesses makes it a more asinine action.

As to whether or not the Star should publish the names, they are a newspaper that needs sales and page clicks to make money. Publishing the names of those arrested for minor offenses may not be standard policy, but if they think it can generate more interest, they're going to go for it. It obviously has generated some interest, so they have accomplished their goal. By continuing to complain, you are just carrying on the public shaming.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
Oliver wrote:
"reshaped nose?" Not really sure what that's all about. If it's what I think it means, then that's the kind of ignorant sterotyping that's all too common. Park Tudor = rich = vain = plastic surgery? Okay then Richard = judgmental = uneducated = hillbilly loser.
As for the mention of the Zionsville kids, it came afterwards, was not eleven people, and the kids were not under the supervision of elder adults who approved of their drinking. But never mind all that, in my opinion, a newspaper in a major city should have better things to cover than penny-ante crap like that which is an everyday occurence. Kids drink. Duh. Think you'd see a story like that in the LA Times or Philly Inquirer?
Also, if The Star editors thought the names HAD to be included, a sidebar (utilized in print media to highlight or make more prominent) was inappropriate. They could have been listed at the end of the story.
Also, the term "celebrity" does not exclusively apply to the super-famous people we all know (Paris Hilton, David Letterman, Oprah, etc.), it is a proper term to describe a widely known person. As Trudeau was a starting NFL/Colts quarterback, he is a well-known figure.
Hate To Say It: You are right on with the "spite" comment. I believe that might be part of it.
Look, I'm not taking up for any of these people or saying that Park Tudor kids are special or deserve preferential treatment, I'm just saying that publishing the names of all the teens in this specific story was wrong. Technically, they're adults--I understand that. But let's keep in mind that they were in the care of real ADULTS, elders who implicitly approved of their illegal behavior. There are thousands of kids busted for drinking that don't get their names in the paper. That these teens felt they were drinking in a safe environment, under the care of consenting elder adults, makes their crime less egregious than the kids who steal away and deliberately mislead others to do the same thing.
I don't think these kids (even the ones arrested) will be harmed in a long-term way. I forwarded your letter to my brother who graduated in '95. I don't remember him going to a party like that, but I also wasn't living here at the time. If he had been at a party like that, he would have been a 17 year old kid, about to start at Cornell, not a lush and not spoiled. There are a lot of normal Park Tudor alumni. I do NOT associate PT with nose jobs. I DO associate PT with George Hicks who is clerking for Chief Justice John Roberts. The Star didn't mention that, did they? This was a juicy story and the Star wanted to show up PT for its "rich" reputation - not focus on its strong academic reputation.

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Jun 6, 2007
 
HA, yes, I'm sure the Star is out to take down Park Tudor. It makes complete sense that staff would have personal grudges against the school. Sure the story was rather tabloid, but it would have been mentioned no matter what school was involved because it involved a washed up local celeb.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
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What?!?!
Breaking the law in front of someone who has no ability to waive enforcement of the law in no way makes it less of a crime than doing it in secret. If anything, breaking the law in front of a number of witnesses makes it a more asinine action.
I said less egregious--the crime is the same.

So you're saying the kid who steals some liquor from Daddy, or gets it however, then holes up with his/her friends to drink in hiding is making a wiser choice than the kid who may have accepted a drink (because one was arrested does not mean that person brought the alcohol to the party) at his/her HS graduation party while under the supervision of consenting adults who take their keys away? Permissive attitudes from adults present will influence that kid's decision to drink, or make him/her feel more comfortable with breaking the law. The kid in hiding knows he's violating the law as well as his/her parents--that's why he/she is doing it in secret. Neither choice is the right one, but the kid at the grad party is making a "better" one. The intent to break the law is there, but the intent to defy authority is not.

I don't follow your logic.
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Jun 6, 2007
 
on the other hand wrote:
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I don't think these kids (even the ones arrested) will be harmed in a long-term way. I forwarded your letter to my brother who graduated in '95. I don't remember him going to a party like that, but I also wasn't living here at the time. If he had been at a party like that, he would have been a 17 year old kid, about to start at Cornell,
I too graduated in '95, and I know of whom you're speaking. GREAT guy. In fact, I'm sorry I'm not currently in touch with him. I can't recall if he was at the overnight grad party (a few people were not there), but I bet he knows about it. You should ask him...

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Jun 6, 2007
 
PT Alum wrote:
Further more, I feel that I must defend my school. Park Tudor is a good place with good people. I am not saying we are perfect- we do have a few rotten apples, just like most schools.
Granted, there are several high-profile, rich, families associated with Park Tudor. However, the majority of us are "regular" people from "regular" families that have made the conscious choice to sacrifice, admittedly in varying degrees, in order to send us to PT. Many of Park Tudor's students have jobs during the school year and summer (NOT at "daddy's company" in addition to donating thousands of hours (collectively) to the community. It is a requirement of PT that every single student do volunteer work, and most students voluntarily exceed the minimum requirement. We work hard academically and get results for it. Our good grades and Ivy League colleges (for the 4.3 - 8% of us that go Ivy League) are not just handed to us. Frankly, we work our asses off, because we have to to get through Park Tudor with our GPAs intact. Park Tudor has no IB program because it is supposedly too easy... they created a similar, more rigorous program instead.
We do not think we are better than everyone else, which many people in this city seem to believe. We, for the most part, are regular kids who receieved an amazing education because our parents sacrificed (many Park Tudor students, by the way, are on partial or full scholarship). Again, I am not saying that PT students are perfect. I am just saying that we're not any worse than any other group of high schoolers. So, please, don't insult my school and its student body when you don't really know anything about them.
And this is exactly what makes the story "juicy". If it had been in some hick farming community, nobody would care. Park Tudor is supposed to present some of the best High School students in the state. And because so many parents have sacrificed to get their kids into PT because of its' stature is precisely this reason that the students involved should be publicly humiliated. When the "elite" fall, the "common folk" like to hear they are not so different after all. When the "common folk" fall, the "elite" just justify their preconceived notions and go about their merry way.

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Jun 6, 2007
 
Oliver wrote:
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So you're saying the kid who steals some liquor from Daddy, or gets it however, then holes up with his/her friends to drink in hiding is making a wiser choice than the kid who may have accepted a drink (because one was arrested does not mean that person brought the alcohol to the party) at his/her HS graduation party while under the supervision of consenting adults who take their keys away? Permissive attitudes from adults present will influence that kid's decision to drink, or make him/her feel more comfortable with breaking the law. The kid in hiding knows he's violating the law as well as his/her parents--that's why he/she is doing it in secret. Neither choice is the right one, but the kid at the grad party is making a "better" one. The intent to break the law is there, but the intent to defy authority is not.
I don't follow your logic.
It is of no public concern when someone defies their parents' authority (as long as they break no laws in doing so), so that distinction is of no interest to me.

In either example you cite, a law is broken. However, if someone breaks a law with a number of witnesses, their ability to escape legal repurcussions is lessened unless they are hoping that all witnesses will purjure themselves if questioned about the illegal activity. Everyone who knowingly breaks a law hopes to get away with it, so reducing your chances of getting away with the activity seems counter-intuitive.

I think that both hypothetical groups are making a bad choice. I also think that both hypothetical groups should have to live with the consequences of their choices, whatever they may be. If the Star feels it is in their interest to publish the names of one group and not the other, it is within their rights as a for-profit, non-governmental company.

If the students and parents from Park Tudor are being taught that life is fair, I would question the value of the education they are receiving...
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Jun 6, 2007
 
Arc wrote:
HA, yes, I'm sure the Star is out to take down Park Tudor. It makes complete sense that staff would have personal grudges against the school.
I don't think they were out to "take down" PT.(For the record, I did not write the headline above my letter, nor do I believe it is a good one) But I do believe that putting names in a sidebar indicates malice. As evidenced by some of the preceding comments, some narrow-minded people see PT as a school full of elitist rich snobs who believe rules don't apply to them. I don't doubt that some Star employees feel the same way. Highlighting their names as they did (as I believe they would not were it a public school) seems to me to be an effort to embarass or discredit. As in: "See? The rich kids who drive around in their fancy cars and get to go to the expensive colleges on daddy's dime aren't all righteous and perfect. They're no better than Joe Schmoe at public school 'x'. Let's hold them up and give them their come-uppance in front of everyone who reads the Sunday paper."
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Jun 6, 2007
 
IndyDevil wrote:
<quoted text> And this is exactly what makes the story "juicy". If it had been in some hick farming community, nobody would care. Park Tudor is supposed to present some of the best High School students in the state. And because so many parents have sacrificed to get their kids into PT because of its' stature is precisely this reason that the students involved should be publicly humiliated. When the "elite" fall, the "common folk" like to hear they are not so different after all. When the "common folk" fall, the "elite" just justify their preconceived notions and go about their merry way.
Thank you for stating this so clearly.
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IndyDevil wrote:
<quoted text> And because so many parents have sacrificed to get their kids into PT because of its' stature is precisely this reason that the students involved should be publicly humiliated. When the "elite" fall, the "common folk" like to hear they are not so different after all. When the "common folk" fall, the "elite" just justify their preconceived notions and go about their merry way.
The students involved should be publicly humiliated because their parents sacrificed to get their kids into PT? I can't think of words strong enough to reply to something so incredibly absurd. I will refrain from issuing a personal attack, but it must be miserable to go through life with such bitterness and spite.

a) An 18-year-old caught drinking deserves punishment meted out by a judge, not public humiliation.

b) Of course the "common folk" like to hear when the "elite" fall. But it is The Star's responsibility to report the news in an ethical, objective manner, not to make an example of or humiliate people based on their social standing. Or race, or gender, or religion, etc. If Rush Limbaugh says horrible things to millions of listeners about drug addicts and then is discovered to be one himself, then his addiction is legitimate front page news. These kids did nothing different than millions of other teens have done and did not deserve to have their names plastered in a sidebar in the Sunday paper merely because they go to a prestigious school.

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