Pet dog kills Connersville woman

A one-year-old chow mix apparently turned on its owner, killing her with bites to her throat and arm, authorities said. Full Story
Chow Eater

Cincinnati, OH

#347 Jun 19, 2007
maaaan wrote:
<quoted text>
the point is that you basically never hear of chow-mixes killing people/viciously attacking people who then need reconstructive surgery. it happens all the time with pit bulls.
FACT
Chow Eater

Cincinnati, OH

#348 Jun 19, 2007
Come on wrote:
It could have been a chihuhuha and the people who don't like dogs would try to get them banned too. People.... IT CAN HAPPEN WITH ANY ANIMAL. That is the risk of having something that was at one time WILD and eventually domesticated.
Bonehead - chickenwawas don't kill old ladies - what a lame comparison... and i was starting to like these posts, too...

and something that was wild at one time...???? COME ON!! That don't hold water either - for crying out loud, for as long as we can trace modern humans - 15,000 to 30,000 years ago, we can find modern dogs - it's been quite a while since dogs were truly wild. About as long as humans - so would it be fair to expect and assume that because humans were once wild, that they will sometimes rip older ladies heads off?
Chow Eater

Cincinnati, OH

#349 Jun 19, 2007
IPD wife wrote:
You can't predict how a dog will act 100% of the time. I agree that a dog is less likely to bite if the dog has been raised and socialized properly. My friend had an Akita mix who was the biggest baby lap dog I have ever seen. One night she reached down to pat him on the head, and he nearly bit her hand off. She took him to the vet since that was not his normal behaviour. Turned out the dog had cancer, and the vet believed the cancer had spread to the brain, that was why he suddenly began to act differently.
Owners should watch their dogs carefully, and heed their instincts. If the lady was afraid of the dogs, she should have gotten some help from the humane society to find them new homes or have them put down.
Maybe there is something in the water, people seem to be getting crazier, maybe it's affecting the dogs as well.(sarcasm)
Proving a point another reader made earlier - biting dogs need to be put down - don't matter the reason, the point is they are dangerous and need put down.
Chow Eater

Cincinnati, OH

#350 Jun 20, 2007
Bad Dog not Bad Breed wrote:
"A Connersville woman was attacked and killed by one of her dogs Sunday as she was apparently attempting to treat a small wound on its leg."... "Chappelow said neither of the two chow-mix type dogs acted aggressively toward officers or the body of Carroll during their investigation."..."T odd said a reconstruction of the attack indicated Carroll brought out two biscuits for the dogs agter returning home around 7 p.m. from a family function. She had planned to put cortisone cream on the male dogs hind leg."..."The male had blood around his mouth Todd said"
Quoted from the Connersville News Examiner page 1 and 4
now that's interesting... sounds like a caring owner, but could have been the reason why the dog went off its rocker. maybe his skin was highly irritated and bit her in the hand, and then who knows... if she got mad and swung at the dog, or scared and tried to flee, that'd be all it would take for the dog to totally lose it and go after her...

either way, his misery is soon to be over
Kens17

Saint Louis, MO

#351 Jun 20, 2007
DAC wrote:
<quoted text>I wish that children could be banned from society.
Kids like animals need to be trained they need to know the difference between fear, intimidation, and respect... its all in the training.
Amber

United States

#352 Jun 20, 2007
How was she supposed to have used common sense??!!?? This was the first episode of violence from one of two loving pets!!!! Perhaps, the "we" in your post should be YOU!! Use some common sense yourself!
CLG wrote:
I am a dog owner,i only have one small dog.If i had two dogs that attempted to bite me they would be gone,i would have gotten rid of them.I am so sorry for the woman's death,but we have to use common sense.
vergrim2005

Evansville, IN

#353 Jun 20, 2007
DAC wrote:
<quoted text>Lots of guys have put your daughters down since then. You don't have enough shotgun shells for all of them.
I have nothing against any type of dog...but, you should ask my ex-huabsnd how bad I kicked his ass physically and verbally when he tried to hit me. I got rid of the 12-gauge since then. All dogs can turn, but I think 90% of the attacks are at the faults of the owners how don't give a damn. But, the lady was only taking care of the dogs. We may never know why they turned on her. my prayers are with her family.
Concerned Chow Owner

AOL

#354 Jun 20, 2007
It is amazing how people loose track of what is important. I do not deny that my chow could do damage to someone but me as a responsible pet owner made sure he was properly socialized and recieved proper training when he was young and now he is 8 years old and has never made any attempts at showing aggression. My mini poodle shows more aggression than my chow and that is the truth. any living breathing creature can kill if provoked to do it, these dogs could have been teased by someone other than the owner and provoked the attack hours or even days before it happened.I have worked with animals for 14 years and I have delt with many breeds of dogs in my life due to my career choice and have had to deal with very few Chows that I felt were a threat,I have had many dog bites due to my career and only one was from a chow mix and that is where they go wrong is when you mix another breed with them like with the dogs in this issue they were either chow /shep or chow /lab either way a Chow it was NOT it was a mixed breed. I hope the family tries to find out by asking neighbors and friends to figure out why this may have happened.
Chow Eater

Cincinnati, OH

#355 Jun 21, 2007
To all those people who insist the breed has nothing to do with the behaviour:
People having been breeding dogs for thousands of years, each breed having very distinct characteristics. How is it ok to if you say one breed is more adept at learning, or hunting, or being a gaurd dog, or, more likely to have hip dysplaysia, or food alergies, or live longer, or are more suited for rescue missions, and disaster recovery, etc... etc..?
And yet, we are to believe that all breeds are the same when it comes to how aggressive a dog is likely to be. Seems to me since humans have been breeding dogs for specific behaviours for thousands of years, that only an idiot would assume that all dogs are equally agressive.

“Creation first, then evolution”

Since: Apr 07

San Francisco, CA

#356 Jun 21, 2007
Chow Eater wrote:
To all those people who insist the breed has nothing to do with the behaviour:
People having been breeding dogs for thousands of years, each breed having very distinct characteristics. How is it ok to if you say one breed is more adept at learning, or hunting, or being a gaurd dog, or, more likely to have hip dysplaysia, or food alergies, or live longer, or are more suited for rescue missions, and disaster recovery, etc... etc..?
And yet, we are to believe that all breeds are the same when it comes to how aggressive a dog is likely to be. Seems to me since humans have been breeding dogs for specific behaviours for thousands of years, that only an idiot would assume that all dogs are equally agressive.

I agree!

I strongly agree in retrospect regarding the Pit Bulls:

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/indianapoli...

Starting with post #48

“Creation first, then evolution”

Since: Apr 07

San Francisco, CA

#357 Jun 22, 2007
Chow Eater wrote:
To all those people who insist the breed has nothing to do with the behaviour:
People having been breeding dogs for thousands of years, each breed having very distinct characteristics. How is it ok to if you say one breed is more adept at learning, or hunting, or being a gaurd dog, or, more likely to have hip dysplaysia, or food alergies, or live longer, or are more suited for rescue missions, and disaster recovery, etc... etc..?
And yet, we are to believe that all breeds are the same when it comes to how aggressive a dog is likely to be. Seems to me since humans have been breeding dogs for specific behaviours for thousands of years, that only an idiot would assume that all dogs are equally agressive.

You are worthy of registering with TOPIX.
I'm being serious, not facetious.
Smart people only need one name.
Dumb people use lots of names or temporary names because they like to just shout out a bunch of crap, and then everybody else responds to it. People with temporary names tend to have temporary commitments, shallow beliefs and have no real character because they can be somebody else next post, or next topic.
stuffit

AOL

#358 Jun 22, 2007
Inside Scoop wrote:
<quoted text>
You are worthy of registering with TOPIX.
I'm being serious, not facetious.
Smart people only need one name.
Dumb people use lots of names or temporary names because they like to just shout out a bunch of crap, and then everybody else responds to it. People with temporary names tend to have temporary commitments, shallow beliefs and have no real character because they can be somebody else next post, or next topic.
Smart people don't concern themselves with monikers and how others use them. Stupid people can't stay on the topic and resort to juvenile tactics that throw the focus away from the topic. Stupid people find ways to introduce unrelated mumbo jumbo to a discussion when they have nothing intelligent to say on the topic.

Chows are unreliable pets. It would be very irresponsible to raise these animals with children.

“Creation first, then evolution”

Since: Apr 07

San Francisco, CA

#359 Jun 22, 2007
stuffit wrote:
<quoted text>Smart people don't concern themselves with monikers and how others use them. Stupid people can't stay on the topic and resort to juvenile tactics that throw the focus away from the topic. Stupid people find ways to introduce unrelated mumbo jumbo to a discussion when they have nothing intelligent to say on the topic.
Chows are unreliable pets. It would be very irresponsible to raise these animals with children.
I'm smart, but it is not clear to me what you mean.
On post #356 on THIS discussion I strongly agreed with "Chow Eater." I put in a link to a "TOPIX" discussion about Pit Bulls which I think is related to this discussion about agressive dogs. No science. No "mumbo jumbo."

On the other discussion (TOPIX link) on page 5 I mentioned specifically the aggresion and being unpredictable. To me, unpredictable IS "unreliable."
Hoosier 1123

United States

#360 Jun 22, 2007
Ireland -- 13th Century

"LLewelyn, Prince of North Wales, had a palace in Beddgelert. One day he went hunting without Gelert, his faithful hound, who was unaccountably absent. On Llewelyn’s return, the hound was stained and smeared with blood; joyfully, he sprang to meet his master. Alarmed, the Prince, hastened to check on his infant son. The cradle was empty and the bedclothes and floor were splattered with blood.

The frantic father plunged his sword into the hound’s side, believing the hound had killed his beloved son. The Wolfhound’s dying call was answered by the child’s cry. Llewelyn searched and discovered his son, unharmed. But nearby the child, lay the bodies of several wolves, slain by Gelert. It's said that the the Prince was so consumed by remorse and shame, he never smiled again."

Far fetched, probably, but I hope public outcry and ignorant conclusions haven't resulted in a similar scenario...
WXH

Claypool, IN

#361 Jun 23, 2007
I currently own a chow mix and before her I had a chow mix. Chief, my first chow mix saw my elderly neighbor being attacked by a dog, jumped over our fence and ran the dog off and stood by her, waited for her to get up and walked her safely back home. I don't think all chow mixes are bad, but they can be protective.
adigallia

United States

#362 Jun 27, 2007
Canine Mammalogist wrote:
I am a research veterinarian (DVM) and mammalogist (Ph.D.) that specializes in the study of the domestic dog (canis domesticus). Dogs and dog behavior have been my area of research and study for 14 years. I teach at the University of Chicago and have published 4 books – most recently: Psycho-biophysiology of Domestic Canines, by University of Chicago Press.
Understand, researchers have not been able to genetically distinguish a domestic dog from a wolf (canis lupus). Dogs and wolves interbreed producing fertile offspring which demonstrates conclusively that they are either of the same species or so closely related as to transcend our understanding or definition of “species.” Pure canis domesticus (dogs) NEVER attack humans. Most people find this surprising. The “dogs” that attack humans are “pit bulls” which are not pure canis domesticus, or “dogs” that have “pit bull” in them - even the so-called “shepherd-mix” that was the subject of this writing.
Why is a pit-bull not considered pure canis domesticus? Because in the most recent development of the breed pit bulls were crossed with a hyena in a controlled breeding experiment to bolster the jaw strength. The hyena (crocuta crocuta) is a mammal of the order carnivora which is a moderately large, terrestrial carnivore native to Africa. This infusion of hyena DNA into the breed has virtually extinguished the innate reluctance of our domestic canines to attack humans. Notice that wolves – the wild representatives of the genus canis – never attack humans. Yet domestic dogs do regularly. Have you ever wondered why? It’s because of what we refer to as the “hyena factor.”
The hyena factor was introduced into the pit bulls and the pit bulls have carried this “attack gene” into the general dog population. Every unprovoked dog attack where the “dog” has been analyzed genetically has revealed the presence of the pit bull “hyena factor” gene. The chow was recently bred with pit bulls which introduced the hyena factor into the chow line.
This is why pit bulls and chows are being outlawed here and elsewhere. But it may be too late. Unfortunately the hyena factor is already firmly established in many of our local dog populations.
what a *nut job*. your dna also includes *jackass*. make sure you take all your medications before posting.
Canine Mammalogist

AOL

#363 Jun 27, 2007
adigallia wrote:
<quoted text>what a *nut job*. your dna also includes *jackass*. make sure you take all your medications before posting.
I'm sorry it went over your head. People are often hostile to science when they don't understand it.

Did I write it too quickly for you to follow? Let me make a suggestion. Go back to the original post and read it slowly -- slower than I wrote it. Maybe that way you can comprehend it. If you don't understand the big words, ask your mom or dad to borrow their dictionary. Let me know how it works out for you, sport.
adigallia

United States

#364 Jun 27, 2007
Canine Mammalogist wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry it went over your head. People are often hostile to science when they don't understand it.
Did I write it too quickly for you to follow? Let me make a suggestion. Go back to the original post and read it slowly -- slower than I wrote it. Maybe that way you can comprehend it. If you don't understand the big words, ask your mom or dad to borrow their dictionary. Let me know how it works out for you, sport.
look you have to take your medications or your delusions will continue to rule your life. phd my foot. you need help asap. the mixed dna is in your genetic marker. i pity the fools that are too ignorant to understand that you are a first class *NUT CASE* take your seroquel, halodol, risperidone and a pinch of thorazine.
Canine Mammalogist

AOL

#365 Jun 27, 2007
adigallia wrote:
<quoted text>look you have to take your medications or your delusions will continue to rule your life. phd my foot. you need help asap. the mixed dna is in your genetic marker. i pity the fools that are too ignorant to understand that you are a first class *NUT CASE* take your seroquel, halodol, risperidone and a pinch of thorazine.
I wonder what a psychologist would say if you went in to see him and just told the truth.

YOU: "Doc, I go to the Star Forum section and call names to people who talk about things I don't understand. I just get really angry. Do I need help?

DOC: "I think we both know the answer to that.

YOU: "Oh yeah! Take your seroquel, halodol, risperidone and a pinch of thorazine!"

DOC: "This could be serious."
Hailey OH

Newnan, GA

#366 Jun 28, 2007
im sorry but her son gave her those dogs and i think you should appreciate all that she did for thiose animals. i know someone who is her niece and she never saw anything wrong with the way these animals snd the way they were treated. Phyllis put up the security fence to keep unwanted people away from her beloved animals.
she had 3 neihbors that tortured her dogs unceasingly
by throwing rocks and garbage and many other unnesesary objects at them. this was probably the reason for the attack on their owner, Phyllis.

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