Take-home methadone concerns lawmakers

Take-home methadone concerns lawmakers

There are 743 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Sep 12, 2007, titled Take-home methadone concerns lawmakers. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

State officials and methadone clinic operators defended the clinics' practice of giving drug addicts take-home doses of methadone, telling a legislative panel the doses help patients re-establish normal lives.

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Since: Aug 10

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#797 Jun 25, 2011
Sick and Tired wrote:
I am there with u on this one. I am a grandmother now and the Methadone makes me sooooo damn tired. The side effects are unbelievable. I even have OCD from it now. Its crazy. I think if they have to have a clinic it should be a Heroin Clinic like in Europe. Heroin is so much faster to get off of. If I ever get off of Methadone I will never get on again. Anything but this.
You don't have OCD from methadone! It's a disorder mimicked by addiction so it's likely you don't have it all. The bone and hair loss aren't symptoms or side effects of M either. More likely your age or another problem you're suffering. The depression you mention is a side effect of M and all other opiate/opioids, they are after all, depressants.

I agree that M should be taken as a short term treatment for opiate addiction but, the term varies with the individual. If you want to get past active addiction it takes work. It doesn't just happen by taking another substance.

Either your clinic has terrible counseling or, you haven't taken advantage of what they offer. If you had, you wouldn't still be blaming a substance or others for your problems but would be accepting responsibility for your addiction and trying to find out what drives it and how you might solve it.

Methadone Man

Indianapolis, IN

#798 Jul 13, 2011
Well i have read a bunch of stupid shit about how everyone hates the drug and so on but those are people who don't really know anything about the drug except the negitive things they hear or see.. My life has been so much better sense i have been on methadone.. Its nice to be drug free and to be able to go to work everyday without hurting or being sick.. Not everyone who goes to the clinic's have been on or used herion. I have a bad back and have had surgery and such on it and the doctors were just giving me everything for the pain and before i new it i was hooked and then they want to cut me off and i just couldn't deal with the pain so i had no choice but to go to the clinic..... SO EVERYONE JUST NEEDS TO MIND THERE OWN BUISNESS AND BUTT OUT OF PEOPLES PERSONAL LIFES....
shade crowe

Lexington, KY

#799 Jul 13, 2011
Well for as long as methadone is around I won't have to suffer from racing thoughts, serious depression and anxiety. Most people who do die on it mixed it with other drugs or took more than prescribed. I've been on it going on six years and I'm fine. I almost have my Bachelor's degree, granted I'm 24 and should have gone to college fresh out of high school, but I've been an addict since age 15. I was on Paxil at age 15, before it was made illegal to give to kids under 18. I was put on a number of other medication, none of them helped my severe anxiety and depression. My first taste of an opiate brought immense relief to my whole mental, spiritual and physical wellbeing. My addiction became destructive so I sought help at a methadone clinic at age 19 and have been on it since. For me it has been a lifesaver. I will not say that it had nothing to do with the deaths of those who were prescribed it, but it's highly unlikely for an opiate tolerant person to overdose when the clinic starts you off at 30 mg on the first day and slowly increases you from there. In order to even be accepted you have to have a serious opiate addiction. People who lie about the amount of opiate(s) they abuse are liable b/c you sign documents when you first enter protecting your own rights and the rights on the clinic. The clinic only increases your dose if you tell them you are experiencing withdrawal, and even then it's only 5-10mg at a time, so once again your are liable if you truly aren't experiencing withdrawal yet telling the nurses/doctor you are. Also, if a person who is attending a methadone clinics uses extra methadone or other drugs on the side they are once again liable if something bad happens. I think every person should be held accountable for their own actions. The clinics do there job in trying to make sure you don't use and if you do then you will eventually get kicked out of the clinic and you have to dose daily in front of the nurses. For those of us who abandoned other drugs and use only the methadone that is prescribed to us I think we deserve takehomes so that we can live our life in freedom just like any other person who is prescribed prescription narcotics. Bottles are sealed and the clinics call you in for "bottle checks" so if you choose to divert or use your methadone you will get caught.
david

Bloomington, IN

#800 Sep 9, 2011
K- Indianapolis wrote:
Methadone clinics are just legalized drug dealers. I have had 2 brother in laws on Methadone and they never have weaned them off the drug.One brother in law no longer takes it because he is dead. He was a long term user several years and they never weaned him off. My other brother in law is currently on it (legally). He has not even been in the program a year and they are giving him a 30 day supply. There seems to be very little checks and balances.Lawmakers need to ask for the records of those that have been weaned off and see what percentage it is. I'm sure it is little or none.
the problem with methadone clinics are that some people who go there are going for drugs and to get high.and that will kill you if you go to any rehab and do not use the tools that they give you you will end up at rock bottom...i think if your not on heron and ready to get better you do not need to be at a methadone clinic.I've been going for 3 years and it's totally changed my life for the better,but only because i take it very serious and do not sell over medicate or mix other pills with my dose...i was homeless and injecting drugs every day for years and now have been sober of everything but methadone (witch is a drug,but better than before,& in the program your to do better than the day before)i'm working full time and buying a home for my self.if you go to a clinic and your still hanging out with friends,using other drugs or not seeing a counclor then yes your still screwing up your life.they need to watch over who is on methadone and if your not taking the program serious then make you leave.all good comes with some bad...i bet your brother in law was mixing other pills with his methadone...so the methadone program ois a good program if you have self control,and really want help instead of only wanting to get high for free or much cheaper...liek with beer people who drink crazy amounts will hurt their lifes,people who drive to fast and don't follow the laws will have a bad wreck the methadone program is no different but we say in the program his life is what he's made of it,and it's hard to know but your brother killed him self not the program...just like people who speed in a car and die it's not the laws fault for giving somthing that can be deadly with rules it's the people who just don't follow the rules...
RICKY

Bloomington, IN

#801 Sep 30, 2011
The clinic is a very good thing to have around.. You wouldnt know how it is to be addicted to pain pills unless you have been there or the pain it causes from WDs. The clinic gives you a safe amount to keep you from hurting plus consuling and other help anyone may need.
laura

Altamonte Springs, FL

#802 Sep 30, 2011
once again people who have no clue of what an addicts reality is sit and judge from their soap boxes. Walk a mile in someones shoes who has worked their butt off to get a life back take home meth or not it sure is not easy and every one from all sides constantly throwing hurdles your way. I may not be in a methadone clinic but I know enough about addiction and have known enough people who beat the beast to understand it is nothing like what you people think. Sure better your family members remain homeless and on the streets facing death at every moment from criminals and disease, give me a brake and by the way I am a tax payer too and this war on drugs is becoming another way for politicians to turn attention away from the shabby job congress is doing.
djones

East Weymouth, MA

#803 Oct 10, 2011
To all the peeps bitchen that medicaid pays for methadone. I'll give up my medicaid when u return your farm subsidies.You know,the money the govt. GIVES you NOT to work.
one kapotz

Chicago, IL

#804 Oct 10, 2011
Fight man with all you got!
nikki

Oak Hill, WV

#805 Oct 10, 2011
Medicaid never paid for the methadone clinic in wv. If you went to a doctor it would pay for suboxine, but neither would be covered at the clinic.
Lindsey

United States

#806 Oct 31, 2011
Im on methadone im now on 82 mg and going down! the Methadone Clinic SAVED MY LIFE! If it wasnt for it my loved ones would of found me DEAD SOMEWHERE and god only knows where!! So BEFOR you make ppl think that methadone is just a way to get DRUGS READ UP ON IT AND SEE HOW MANY ppl it really has helped! THANKS
Lindsey
Devon

Hendersonville, TN

#807 Jan 31, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
Someone tell me the incentive to keep addicts on methodone. Is it to divert the drug $ to a US pharma company , instead of it going to heroin dealers?
. Um the point is that ,if the program is followed correctly it keeps people from spreading hep c, HIV,etc. And the crime rates drop in the places that there effective and properly ran clinics. No one is talking about how many lives it's saved , and how many drugies can end up going back to school or work .
Debrinconcita

Portland, OR

#808 Jan 31, 2012
Pay Up wrote:
I don't know a lot about the methadone program, nor politics, but I have known what it's like to be an addict, and here's the way I see it. I don't think that when they came up with this alleged 'solution' to heroin addiction umpteen decades ago, that they were thinking long term, but that indeed is what it has become - long term. Why? Because it's been made easier to remain an addict, as long as you're addicted to something. My own brother, was addicted to heroin, is now on a methadone maintenance program. Medicaid pays for this. MEDICAID? I'm ashamed of him. This is a 47 year old, able-bodied intelligent man who works part time and is on MEDICAID? Unbelievable. Yet I, with two kids of my own, divorced, going to school and working toward a degree, AND working part time, has to beg and scratch for any kind of TEMPORARY help. It makes me sick.
Instead, they should have incorporated some kind of therapy (read: recovery program) which is FREE, into this 'substitution program' instead of this FREE government hand out, and the idea of letting an addict take his free drugs home is just plain STUPID!!!
The very idea of 'normal' has not been forced on these addicts by virtue of this 'ideal' If it's free, they should be made to come daily for their dose and that's it. Otherwise, wean yourselves off it!
It sounds like you need to have a long talk with brother, cause it's not FREE Drugs. So many people misunderstand Methadone, It's not enjoyment for anyone. It's supposed for Maintenance program until you able to detox off it, But, who are you to say when he's ready to detox? Only a Counselor & or Medical doctor can determine this. I wished people would clearly understand the benefits for people, who would be robbing, stealing & or dying on the streets from Heroin addiction. Is this what you would rather see. SEEK some real information so that you can better understand the program before you go making assumptions. There are people who misuse the programs, but it's not FREE Drugs from the GOVT. like so many people think? It's a helpful program for those who really want the HELP, but some people just aren't ready to get off when family think they should. IT's not about you, it's about ADDICTION. There are alot of sucesses that nobody ever hears about! that's one thing I don't like about it, But I could see where your frustrated, but have a talk with his counselor if you have questions.

Optimo

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#809 Feb 1, 2012
K- Indianapolis wrote:
Methadone clinics are just legalized drug dealers. I have had 2 brother in laws on Methadone and they never have weaned them off the drug.One brother in law no longer takes it because he is dead. He was a long term user several years and they never weaned him off. My other brother in law is currently on it (legally). He has not even been in the program a year and they are giving him a 30 day supply. There seems to be very little checks and balances.Lawmakers need to ask for the records of those that have been weaned off and see what percentage it is. I'm sure it is little or none.
Now, to give him a 30 day supply in less than a year. That is definitely an illegal operation they have going on there. Your other brother who passed. In which I'm sorry for your loss... Really I am. it sounds to me like he may have been using MMT for pain management. Most clinics don't like to promote pain management as their service. But, that is what alot of us use it for. We stay on it because if we get off are surgeries from the past that nag us. Will be in manageable. If I were to get off I would be on so much ibuprofen... Which is very harmful to the liver. There is a reason we all use it. But that is my experiences and statistics I have gathered in which patients prolong the use. Thanks and hope I didn't offend anybody. God bless!
Steve

Altamonte Springs, FL

#812 Jun 15, 2012
I see alot of people, Voicing opinions, on something that has absolutely nothing to do with them. Way too much of that shit in this country.. Some of you know a 4th cousins bastards brother.. And have opinions. Some people WONT quit, its this and living a normal life, or.. Endless horrible possibilities. Listen, if they are on that stuff, their life is NOT good, but it would be MUCH MUCH worse if they weren't on it. You, the law, and the doctors, aren't gonna take any thing away from these people, they haven't lost already. If they can live a semi normal life on the stuff, leave them alone. They were born on this planet the exact same as the rest of you. They aren't online, telling anyone, what you should be doing in your living room. I want you ALL to think carefully about that last statement.. Choose anything, in your life, that your life revolves around, and then anyone, telling you, you shouldn't be allowed to do that, cuz i'm in my living room, and I'm bored, I need something to complain about, even if I know almost nothing about it.
Ready in Indy

Zionsville, IN

#813 Jun 22, 2012
So obviously there must be a heroin problem in Indy? Or is it because of Rx narcotics that there are methadone clinics here? Where does one find heroin in this city? Is it because of the huge, growingg Mexican community??
gwl

Indianapolis, IN

#814 Aug 5, 2012
MOTHER TOO wrote:
OH MY GOD! DO YOU MEAN WE INDIANA TAX PAYERS ARE PAYING FOR OUT OF STATE DRUG ADDICTS TO GET METHADONE TREATMENTS? NO WONDER TAXES ARE SKY HIGH! I DON'T CARE THAT THERE'S A TWO OR THREE YEAR WAITING LIST IN OTHER STATE'S, THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM. I'M TIRED OF SUPPORTING ALL THE DEADBEATS.
What do you mean Out of State They have clinics all over Indiana
gwl

Indianapolis, IN

#815 Aug 5, 2012
Debrinconcita wrote:
<quoted text>It sounds like you need to have a long talk with brother, cause it's not FREE Drugs. So many people misunderstand Methadone, It's not enjoyment for anyone. It's supposed for Maintenance program until you able to detox off it, But, who are you to say when he's ready to detox? Only a Counselor & or Medical doctor can determine this. I wished people would clearly understand the benefits for people, who would be robbing, stealing & or dying on the streets from Heroin addiction. Is this what you would rather see. SEEK some real information so that you can better understand the program before you go making assumptions. There are people who misuse the programs, but it's not FREE Drugs from the GOVT. like so many people think? It's a helpful program for those who really want the HELP, but some people just aren't ready to get off when family think they should. IT's not about you, it's about ADDICTION. There are alot of sucesses that nobody ever hears about! that's one thing I don't like about it, But I could see where your frustrated, but have a talk with his counselor if you have questions.
Well thats BS they stay on it for many years I know a couple with 2 children that go get theres every mourning have 2 kids get food stamps and have no want to ever get off the drugs and smoke there pot do other pills and this is really great for the Children of these so called addicts!!!!!!!One thing wantting help another abussing it and thats what 90 Perscent of these people are doing!

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#816 Aug 5, 2012
gwl wrote:
<quoted text>Well thats BS they stay on it for many years I know a couple with 2 children that go get theres every mourning have 2 kids get food stamps and have no want to ever get off the drugs and smoke there pot do other pills and this is really great for the Children of these so called addicts!!!!!!!One thing wantting help another abussing it and thats what 90 Perscent of these people are doing!
90%, really? I think you're pulling your numbers from thin air (and that's the kindest way I can put it)!

You may know, or know of, a few people that abuse their MMT, but the vast majority don't just not abuse it, they hold jobs (where there are jobs to be held).

You're welcome to your opinions, of course, but it would be welcome if you didn't tout them as facts you really have no knowledge of.

This is written to you by someone who not only does know the facts, but who was also a MMT client for just over 3 years, and who no longer abuses street drugs or medications, and just by the way, no longer needs or uses methadone.

There are few states in the US that contribute in any way to MMT, and the handful of counties that do, find it a bargain in reducing crime. When you find a better and cheaper way to reduce addiction and it's associated crime, I hope you'll let us all know.

Respectfully...

PS. You might want to check your spelling and punctuation. You've just been totally out classed by a recovering dope addict!
lol

Fort Wayne, IN

#819 Aug 20, 2012
druggies should be in jail
tryin need help

Independence, OH

#821 Feb 18, 2013
Barbara Finger wrote:
<quoted text>
THIS IS TOTAL IGNORANCE. Methadone was NOT named for Adolph Hitler nor was it created for use to treat Viet Nam Vets.
Yes, it was developed by Germans in 1937 for the treatment of pain. It was marketed in the United States by Eli Lilly and Mallinkrodtheld the patent until the late 1990's. It was doctors Vincent Dole, Marie Nyswander and Mary Jeanne Kreek who while working on additiction at Rockefeller Univeristy discovered that this analgesic could be helpful in treating addiction.
Methdone is the "gold standard" by which all other opiate addiction treatments are measured. Before posting please do some research and learn the facts instread of spreading rumors, speculation and outright lies, in the end in only shows your ignorance.
Ms.Finger, I can use some help. Im try to stop and try to do it tight but getting nowhere fast. So if u can help i will take the advice

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