Indiana House okays drug testing for welfare recipients

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Joe Moe wrote:
<quoted text>Hell, I am drunk right now. So what. I got a skitter on my peter too.
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Joe Moe wrote:
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Hell, I am drunk right now. So what. I got a skitter on my peter too.
A muskitter?
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Moe wrote:
<quoted text>How many names have you registered under Duchess, Ralph I mean DavidM, Dangit UnAmerican, I mean AllAmerican, Ultimate Kapotz, Russia.
Got that right.
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<quoted text> Spoken like a true hypocrite ie republican. Not if they pass the drug test. If they fail the test then they should be held to the same standards they are setting. If they lose the job then they could get a job in the private sector where the companies set there own policies.
Not IF, it's WHEN they fail.

Yep selling food stamps $25 cash for $50 food stamps. Then get in their $25k gas guzzling escalade while they live in a rat hole to drive over to 38th and Post to buy some drugs. Has baby daddy to child number 3 living in the section 8 apt with her and she's pregnant with baby 4. Both Baby daddys for child 1 and 2 are in prison. Welfare office gets an anonymous call about baby daddy living in the house. Drugs test - FAILED.
She'll be the first to call the governors office screaming my babys daddy loves me. He be living at his mommas and he aint did no drugs since he before he went to jail 6 months ago. Tells governors office we fixed the drug test to make it positive.
She goes on and on how they dont want to help her and give her food stamps. How shes a good honest mamma that needs to feed her babies.

Bad welfare office people not wanting to help the lady and give her food stamps.

Washington has thought this plan out.

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Feb 26, 2013
 
Did I hear right, that if a drug test is positive the benefits will be taken away for 3 mo.? And it is only on "suspected" cases?
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Duchess 29631 wrote:
Did I hear right, that if a drug test is positive the benefits will be taken away for 3 mo.? And it is only on "suspected" cases?
Sad isn't it? Sad that they would punish babies for sins of their parents.

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Moe2 wrote:
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Yes, lets punish those that actually WORK for a living
Aside from the fact that most of us do drug screens prior to starting our jobs. Lets forget about that, shall we? lets put it this way. If ANYBODY has a reasonable expectation that I will be drug-free sitting in my cubicle 8 hours a day, to wait on THEM without risk or error, could I be given the same consideration? I expect YOU, as an entitlements recipient, to be drug free and trying to get off welfare? Seems it isn't working that way right now.

I'm all for drug testing, but it shouldn't be set up the way they will have it. They're only taking a cross section of 'possible' drug users (they will have to answer a questionaire that will 'determine' if the person has a propensity for drug abuse. Which is going to wind up being a legal violation involving civil rights and profiling). But THEN, once they have those surveys, the state can only glean a cross-section of eligible, POSSIBLE drug users to do a drug screen on. I mean, is that even worthwhile? Doesn't that sound like a very expensive task to conduct without a lot of defining results?

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Oh, and I forgot to add that I did some research on this matter when they introduced this idea 5 years ago in FL. They did drug screenings and of the samples taken, they only found 2% using drugs of any kind.

That leaves 98% that got a drug screen (at least $10/ when bought in bulk), that don't use them. Cha- ching@!

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Duchess 29631 wrote:
Did I hear right, that if a drug test is positive the benefits will be taken away for 3 mo.? And it is only on "suspected" cases?
No, you didn't hear right. YOu heard that if they want to keep bennies, they have to attend a drug program and test clean for a little while.

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Aside from the fact that most of us do drug screens prior to starting our jobs. Lets forget about that, shall we? lets put it this way. If ANYBODY has a reasonable expectation that I will be drug-free sitting in my cubicle 8 hours a day, to wait on THEM without risk or error, could I be given the same consideration? I expect YOU, as an entitlements recipient, to be drug free and trying to get off welfare? Seems it isn't working that way right now.
I'm all for drug testing, but it shouldn't be set up the way they will have it. They're only taking a cross section of 'possible' drug users (they will have to answer a questionaire that will 'determine' if the person has a propensity for drug abuse. Which is going to wind up being a legal violation involving civil rights and profiling). But THEN, once they have those surveys, the state can only glean a cross-section of eligible, POSSIBLE drug users to do a drug screen on. I mean, is that even worthwhile? Doesn't that sound like a very expensive task to conduct without a lot of defining results?
A questionaire for drug abuse? This is going to be good..Something has to be done. But this sounds like a cluster f already.

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No, you didn't hear right. YOu heard that if they want to keep bennies, they have to attend a drug program and test clean for a little while.
How many strikes til they are out? Why not test across the board. You don't show up, one more notice, you skip that time, you are cut off. I know the cost is a factor, but it just might reduce the number of people in the system. By how many, only time will tell.
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Duchess 29631 wrote:
<quoted text>A questionaire for drug abuse? This is going to be good..Something has to be done. But this sounds like a cluster f already.
Yes and it's amazing how intelligent these people are at gaming the system. I have no problem testing them for nicotine and alcohol as well. Ask about cell phones and cable tv. Good god if they can afford these items why are we buying them food?!?

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Duchess 29631 wrote:
<quoted text>How many strikes til they are out? Why not test across the board. You don't show up, one more notice, you skip that time, you are cut off. I know the cost is a factor, but it just might reduce the number of people in the system. By how many, only time will tell.
well, I'm not sure how that'll all shake out, but let me tell you this much: many of them will figure out a way to cheat the test the second time, once they see the process the first time through. You think people are that stupid? I mean, there is one sure way to beat a piss test, but that's a story for another day. The tragedy is that this will not work out, as ever. The government reserves the right to somehow criminalize being on Aid, and has to outright DEFY the Bill of Rights by doing illegal search and seizure on people who are getting aid. Problem is: no one writing these entitlement programs ever considered the legality of putting conditions on this program in this way, so there's NO PRECEDENT as to it's legality.. Something about the 4th amendment. You can bet that if this gets going, the ACLU will interfere. It would be an easy win.

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Moe2 wrote:
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Split personality im telling you! The problem seems to be he forgets after he switches from one personality to the other. These loons honestly believe their lies. Truly pathological in every sense of the word.
exactly what I say.

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well, I'm not sure how that'll all shake out, but let me tell you this much: many of them will figure out a way to cheat the test the second time, once they see the process the first time through. You think people are that stupid? I mean, there is one sure way to beat a piss test, but that's a story for another day. The tragedy is that this will not work out, as ever. The government reserves the right to somehow criminalize being on Aid, and has to outright DEFY the Bill of Rights by doing illegal search and seizure on people who are getting aid. Problem is: no one writing these entitlement programs ever considered the legality of putting conditions on this program in this way, so there's NO PRECEDENT as to it's legality.. Something about the 4th amendment. You can bet that if this gets going, the ACLU will interfere. It would be an easy win.
I'd like to see the questions. Yes, people will figure out how to beat it once the info on it is made public.

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Yes and it's amazing how intelligent these people are at gaming the system. I have no problem testing them for nicotine and alcohol as well. Ask about cell phones and cable tv. Good god if they can afford these items why are we buying them food?!?
Tea baggers believe we shoullllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllld cne or whip them in the village square every week in front of their starving kids.

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Moe of Indy wrote:
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exactly what I say.
Dude, you do know you are talking to yourself. No?

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Moe of Indy wrote:
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Tea baggers believe we shoullllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllld cne or whip them in the village square every week in front of their starving kids.
If we catch them with their legs spread while their kids are starving, I would go for that.
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Feb 26, 2013
 
This is why we need food stamp education!!! This woman does not even know her fruits!

http://youtu.be/GPd74JUWlNI
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I applaud the efforts to scrutinize the less fortunate amongst us. It warms my heart that so many welfare people don't use drugs. But the good thing is someone stands to make a huge profit at taxpayer expense in administering these tests. Hopefully it's a Republican supporting company making those profits.

I like bigger government when it's aimed at inconveniencing the less affluent and less fortunate. Average Americans should jump thru hoops to attain any government help or assistance. Government should work for the connected,the wealthy,political dynasties, and those that can afford lobbyists.

Those outside of the aforementioned descriptions are simply cannon fodder,peasants and detritus.

Let the taxpayer subsidize and pay for sports venues. And let government allow Irsay and the Simon empire to enjoy HUGE tax breaks and to enjoy their wealth!

Bring on another gilded age!!

To hell with the poor.

Squeeze and Shrink the middle.

And..

May the spoils of success be thrust upon the wealthiest of our nation.

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