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R U Kidding Me

United States

#257 Feb 11, 2008
Republican2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, you and I and everyone else on this site clearly have enough money and few enough concerns that we have time to sit here and make grand statements about the rule of law and doing the right thing. Most illegals don't have that luxury. They're just trying to survive and make a decent life. When you're just trying to survive, little things like falsified documents don't concern you anymore than stealing a loaf of bread concerns the starving person. They're both crimes, but you gotta do what you gotta do to survive.
So what you are saying is that is okay to break laws in order to survive. With that thinking lets forget about laws and see what that will get you.
Ben Franklin

Covington, KY

#258 Feb 11, 2008
Read me wrote:
HOOSIERMAMA and BEN FRANKLIN, the Hispanic Chamber or any real advocate against 335 has never said that you (as a supporter of 335) are racist. We have stated that the bill has racial undertones, which it does. It is a poorly conceived bill and will not be voted on in it present form. Now it seems like even the supporters of 335 are using the race card. What is wrong with you people?
Please point out the SPECIFIC parts of the bill that have racial undertones. The claim is constantly made but no one ever shows exactly where it is racist.
humh

Pryor, OK

#259 Feb 11, 2008
We Pay wrote:
<quoted text>
Also... the American taxpayer foots the bill for these illegal immigrants to (only half-heartedly) learn "English as a second language". If I wanted to learn a foreign language -- I'd have to pay for it myself! But, I pay for the illegals to learn? Total "BS"!
Free library materials. Besides a lot of extended families are a mixture of legal and illegal. They can help each other learn. English is what the kids learn in school- give mom and dad lessons with library books and DVDs.
Ben Franklin

Covington, KY

#260 Feb 11, 2008
Paola wrote:
If you know indeed know so much about Latino culture, then I don't understand how you see wrong in our desire to be succesful.Is that not the reason that your forfathers arrived to this country? What gives you the right to judge us for wanting what you want? What is not being understood is that we only want to prospere by working hard. Is that asking for too much?
And we only ask that you do so legally like our ancestors did. Is that asking for too much?
amenamen

Indianapolis, IN

#261 Feb 11, 2008
Amen, amen, amen! Need you say more - NOTTA. Wow!!! Great research!!!
Paul wrote:
Now .... I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1.$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2.$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.h...
3.$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.h...
4.$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
5.$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor
babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
6.$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
8.$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt...
9.$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/1...
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/de...
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The
United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping .$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
Are we THAT stupid??? If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it to every legal resident in the country including every representative in Washington, D.C.- five times a week for as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof
Madman

Indianapolis, IN

#262 Feb 11, 2008
Why do they come here? That is the question. Why aren't they stopped?? Cops will pull you over for a tail light out and it costs $75.00 if you don't fight it and fix it. If you wait it's $150.00. Now, is that really that important??? YOU are an illegal , your tail light is out, you never fix it, don't pay and what happens??? NOTHING. They don't even know it is you. They don't hunt you down, they just raise the fees for those who pay. Its a fee based game, and those who play the game fairly are the ones who are exploited. What will happen gradually and then take on steam and become a locomotive going high speed is, the law abiding folks, will see that those not following the rules getting away with it, will become non law abiding folk. Then we will need more rules, more cops and sooner than later, FASCISM. It is a historical fact. All we need is a scapegoat. Bush has been adamant about not taking on the illegals. Scapegoat, we have found you. We will give up our freedoms in the name of public safety. We will not be safe from our very selves. If we don't get a handle on this immigration problem , 2012 will be the year of reckoning. War with Mexico and maybe much of South America, is imminent. Press one for safety, press two for doing nothing as usual.
Read me

San Francisco, CA

#263 Feb 11, 2008
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
yes, when you prospered illegally
Like you have never broken any laws. Your statements are highly contradictory.
Clayton Bigsby

AOL

#264 Feb 11, 2008
I can't understand youuuu. Go back to yer country.
oh well

Indianapolis, IN

#265 Feb 11, 2008
lazy americans wrote:
EVERYONE IS MISSING THE BIG PICTURE WITHOUT THE HISPANIC WORKERS THE UNITED STATES WILL BE NOTHING: AND STOP CRYING ABOUT CREDIT CRARDS AND LOANS ANS ETC: AT LEAST THEY PAY THEIR DEBTS UNLIKE THE AMERICANS: I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN 100% but i am ashamed of my people because they are so close minded. ONCE YOU LIVE LIKE THEY LIVE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND: I HAVE SO THAT IS WHY I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HOPE THE UNITED STATES BECOMES LIKE MEXICO SO THAT YOU WILL ALL GET A TASTE OF WHAT IT IS LIKE:
Sorry , not going to happen.

“I know you are, but what am I?”

Since: Dec 06

That way...

#267 Feb 11, 2008
Shedders wrote:
Wow! The first thing I noticed was the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce complaining about Senator Delph and his bill......WHAT?? We now have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce? Do we also have an African American Chamber of Commerce? And a German Chamber of Commerce?? How about an Italian one? Or Irish? What is hell is going on here? Used to be this country was made up of the phrase from many, one. Guess not anymore. Everyone wants to have the same name and rights as they did in their native land and not be Americans. If you can't be a plain American, please go back where you came from! We don't need or want you here...
We also have a Christian Chamber of Commerce.

So much for not using Jesus' name for selfish reasons.
oh well

Indianapolis, IN

#268 Feb 11, 2008
amenamen wrote:
Amen, amen, amen! Need you say more - NOTTA. Wow!!! Great research!!!
<quoted text>
Ok , now cite the stats for Americans in all these same categories . I think you will be flabergasted.
Get to work

Pryor, OK

#269 Feb 11, 2008
We wouldn't need immigrants if we cut wellfare.

In the same way you cut the jobs for illegals, just cut the welfare checks; it all would get rock and rolling. Pretty simple. Get the lazy people to work!!
oh well

Indianapolis, IN

#270 Feb 11, 2008
Paul wrote:
Now .... I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1.$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2.$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.h...
3.$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.h...
4.$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
5.$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor
babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
6.$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
8.$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt...
9.$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/0...
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/1...
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/de...
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The
United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping .$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
Are we THAT stupid??? If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it to every legal resident in the country including every representative in Washington, D.C.- five times a week for as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof
Yes this bothers me , but please report the numbers and statistics on Americans in these categories. Thanks
Jerry

Indianapolis, IN

#271 Feb 11, 2008
amenamen wrote:
Amen, amen, amen! Need you say more - NOTTA. Wow!!! Great research!!!
<quoted text>
What "research?" He posted numbers he found on the internet, numbers which have little basis in reality. The fact is that it is very, very difficult to measure the impact of illegal immigration. Anyone who purports to provide numbers is just stabbing in the dark.
Read me

San Francisco, CA

#272 Feb 11, 2008
Ben Franklin wrote:
<quoted text>
Please point out the SPECIFIC parts of the bill that have racial undertones. The claim is constantly made but no one ever shows exactly where it is racist.
1. It is clear that the law enforcement efforts by the police will have to be discriminatory.

2. Some Businesses will be hiring discriminately just to make sure that they are safe from any possible future violation.

The bill has racial undertones due to a massive amount of civil liberties that will be infringed upon by its enforcement pieces. The language of the bill itself doesn't necessarily have to be so.
Hoosier Gal

Cincinnati, OH

#273 Feb 11, 2008
lazy americans wrote:
I agree on trying to get rid of the problem hispanics but, those who are trying to make a living to feed their family should not be punished. 90 percent of the illegal workers pay taxes and never receive a tax refund where is that money. everyone is crying about paying hospital bills, jail and government help but at least they are making an effort. the americans that receive welfare just sit on their butts doing nothing but receiving everything in their hands. have more kids get more money. stop the illegals from working and see if the lazy americans go to work. you know the answer. this is not a game this is real you are taking food out of the mouths of innocent children who really need it.
Wrong, Lazy. Illegal aliens (not just Hispanics....are you racist or something?) CAN get tax refunds using Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITIN's). Many of them even qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credits.

You say Americans are lazy. It would behoove you to remember that less than 2% of illegal immigrants in Indiana work in agriculture - the lowest, most labor-intense position on the totem pole. Who fills the rest of the slots in ag? AMERICANS! The other industries being infiltrated by large numbers of illegal immigrants are, in part: construction and food service. Even so, illegal immigrants make up to 20% of the workforce in these industries. Who are the other 80%? AMERICANS!

Americans aren't lazy. Businesses with a desire to turn a profit, even to the point of breaking the law, are the lazy ones.
TGH

Indianapolis, IN

#274 Feb 11, 2008
Republican wrote:
The problem is people like Senator Delph claim it's only about "illegal" immigration yet they never support immigration reform. The economy clearly needs these workers yet they don't want to reform the system to allow them to be here legally. Delph needs to stop pretending he's just against "illegal" immigration. He's against all immigration.
The US Citizens managed before the "illegals" came in droved to our country and we can manage if they leave.
concern tax payer

United States

#275 Feb 11, 2008
n m p 1 wrote:
What the economy needs is for the lazy people we already have to get off welfare and take the jobs the illegals are doing
RIGHT! RIGHT!
Let us employee the people who are on welfare.
Let us use the many ex-cons coming out of jail who need a job.
Let us use the inmates who are in the work release programs to do some of these jobs that no one else wants to do.
Dark skinned citizen

Fishers, IN

#276 Feb 11, 2008
Ben Franklin wrote:
<quoted text>
And we only ask that you do so legally like our ancestors did. Is that asking for too much?
Don't forget that many of our ancestors came here and killed and displaced many thousands of the original inhabitants of this country. Native Americans may not have had a legal system such as ours, but I bet they didn't feel that our ancestors were taking their land "legally."
Dave

Indianapolis, IN

#277 Feb 11, 2008
I want to applaud Sen. Delph for taking steps to do something about this very serious issue when others have chosen to look the other way, or encourage it by making it easier for these criminals to stay here comfortably while the rest of us end up paying the financial, economic, and social costs. Thank you, Sen. Delph! We need more people like you, and I don't see anyone getting into the White House anytime soon who will do anything about illegal immigration. Maybe you should consider running?

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