The Burger Chef Murders
Stinger

Frankfurt, Germany

#1 Dec 22, 2013
Lets see.....Jeff Reed is dead....Fred Stingley is dead...... Lord knows where Wild turkey and Peppermint Patty are. Rustty is in Hilton Head'......Alana is old and frail.....Reva has a baby who is over 30....and where is the big T sister of Patty after she go out of the Marines?

Why cant't thesse murders be solveD? The knowlge was common....the answers it with Alana....the garbage bag full of pot....debts owed........Desoslen.....Yello w Bird....The scum Sons of Silence , Blackhatred..........What was Wild Turkey's name he was. queer....
..

Was it PK or Paul Kleipfer in Anderson, In ? Or Mike Richardson...who died on a river bank?

Hope this crime is solved in my life ttime......IT is so sad,,,,,any many who could have been a part are already deady.

I just love to punk these weak ass mf bikers... They are nothing.....They are value about mouse turds. I would duck one on the but if I had tha scrwny mf here. They are nothing.. And thank
God

These punks have been nothing sinc e they murdered those children at the Burger Chef...

While the rest of us went to see the musical .....with Travoto and Oliviva...

You were busy killng kids with Fred Stingley [loser, wanna be clown] and Claremce Willliams....a blind black pervert...... hope you are all burning in Hell ? Why did you kill kids at a Burger King? I hope it comes out and you speed freaks and desoxyen birds taste the latest cockttail of what.......who lllll lethal injection... Just like Patty Mollee..... Peppermint Patty....Sex bot extraordinaire and her sisters have all the deep drank secrects here and in South Carolina.....

Somebody should burn....or at least taste the needle.

Where is Patty? Where is her big t marine sister? Jeff is dead..Fred is dead>>> The SOS are just scum and what pu88888s?
The Crime Stopperz

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Dec 22, 2013
None of those you named committed the Burger Chef Murders.The real names are Mike Vaught and his brothers and pal pickles .One of his brothers took his own life named Archie. pickles and Mike are still alive.
Just Asking

Belleville, IL

#3 Dec 22, 2013
The Crime Stopperz wrote:
None of those you named committed the Burger Chef Murders.The real names are Mike Vaught and his brothers and pal pickles .One of his brothers took his own life named Archie. pickles and Mike are still alive.
Who is this Mike V.? What was the reason for the crime? How could (it had to be at least 3 or more involved) a group of punks get by with the crimes? Were the police departments too inept?

I can't help but notice the similarities to another crime I've just become aware of (Thanks to a book by ex-Star reporter Dick Cady). I think this crime happened in late 1975- early 76 where a group of gay men were shot execution style in Hamilton County. Although it appears someone was charged in that crime,there are those that don't buy the official story.

I'm not buying into the narrative the Burger Chef murders were committed by a Burger Chef robbery gang. If you just look at comments made by persons that worked at Burger Chef restaurants during the period (I'm referring to comments by those at the WTHR site) that were robbed,the Speedway case defies the prevailing MO.

I've always felt the key to finding the perps was the area where the kids were found. Someone felt very comfortable and secure in that neck of the woods.
Just Asking

Belleville, IL

#4 Dec 22, 2013
Pot seems to be a recurring topic in the discussion. Were the BC murders related to other happenings in Speedway at the time? Kimberlin, Scyphers(sic?)

It all happened in such a small time frame. Almost 40 years later,this flurry of particular crimes has never repeated itself.

It seems like a number of people would know of the truth. And it hasn't leaked. Hell,you can't get a 3 people to agree to anything and it seems people love to brag. But nothing has surface and had the light shone upon it with respect to this case. Why?
Just Asking

Belleville, IL

#5 Dec 22, 2013
Speaking of pot....Was this particular BC a franchise? Who owned it? The reason I ask is because sometimes things are not what they seem to be.....I'm reminded of the Heilbrunn's Yogurt Connection.

The BC murders.

The murder of Mrs Scyphers(sic?)

The bombings.

All within a small span of time. Again,almost 40 years later.a series of events that has not repeated itself.
BgDk

United States

#6 Mar 12, 2014
Brett Kimberlin, hired some thugs from Chicago to do the bc murders, for a debt that wasn't paid by one of the employees....for drugs (coke and pot), Brett wasn't playin back then. Brett was connected to some big time drug importers from the Castleton, In. area....they were binging in huge amounts of coke and pot, had front companies, they weren't playin. They'll never be fingered for this or convicted, too much time has elapsed and there's not enough evidence.
Reality

Avon, IN

#7 Mar 19, 2014
Does anybody know of a guy that went by the name of Speedy, or Henchman, or Speedy Henchman back in the late 70's?
AnonY Mouse

Mccordsville, IN

#8 Nov 15, 2014
Jeff Reed said Larry Lemasters did it and that Larry showed him the back of a van full of blood.
The Crime Sopperz

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Nov 15, 2014
Mike Vault , Archie Vault, Randy Vault, and Pickles. Known for many robberies in the 70's on the west side, They dealt dope , They could get pretty sadistic also.Pickles was the most violent.They loved to hurt animals also.I heard Randy Vault killed himself, He was so distraught over what he helped do.The rest are still alive and have their own kids now.Why they were never investigated I will never know.I believe Mike lives off Harding street still and Pickles on Belmont st.Mike would wear a beard sometimes..I just know while I lived on thew west side, Anytime there were robberies it involved The Vaults , PEE wee, and other two people that hung with them named the Brinleys , Two twin brothers.There was one more guy that hung with them also named Doughnut , He was heavy set hence his nickname, I didnt know his real name, Few years he worked at the Hop m Stop grocery store.He was into getting high all the time on gasoline glue weed, you name it He did it all, HE GOT very violent and stupid when he was high.It was always about the money. Yes they knew one of the employee's.
Blackology

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Nov 15, 2014
I knew Larry Lemaster's son Larry Lemaster jr . No Big larry didnt do it.One of my cousins dated Larry Lemaster .His daughter Sheila was a beautiful little blonde.Last time I seen little Larry His hair was all white from the dope he did for years. He is only about 40 now. He looks 60.Larry Le master liked to brag, He had nothing to do with the robber or murders at the speedway Burger Chef.
What Do U Think

West Lafayette, IN

#12 Nov 20, 2014
Well,we're just a bunch of lowly Topix miscreants and I doubt we will solve the crime,but let's discuss.

I've heard some strange rumors over the years.

Drug deal gone bad. I don't buy it.

A hellion from a family that owns liquor stores and his stoner friends were responsible. I have no clue.

Biker gang. I don't believe this to be true.

A Burger Chef robbery gang. This particular robbery is way too different from the others--as mentioned by those that were robbed by the gang whilst working at BC back in the day per news sites.

Those responsible for the burning down of the Art Theatre were involved. I have no idea as to the veracity of this,again,I'm clueless.

Those that killed a guy behind a school off of west 30th street in Eagledale were involved. This was told to me by a drunken patron at the Razz Ma Tazz in the mid 80's.

I don't buy into the previously mentioned thugs from Chicago. Thugs would've confined the crime at the restaurant and not driven to Johnson Co.

Some names have been mentioned in this thread. It would seem plausible to me if these people were involved,the cops would've made the lives of these people miserable. People living on Belmont and Harding don't have a lot of clout. Perhaps the cops did make their lives miserable, I dunno.

Moving along...

It's reprehensible the Speedway PD didn't take seriously the concern from the delivery driver regarding the abandoned store. It's even more reprehensible the store was cleaned before any investigation ensued.

2 things strike me as important:

1- The location of the carnage in Johnson Co.

2- According to WTHR,the manager's car was found not far from the Speedway Pd building. Not the most inconspicuous of places to ostensibly switch automobiles,etc.

I'm curious about a few things. Who owned the land in Johnson Co? I think the site is key to it all. Was it a place where certain people hung out?

Also,I wonder if the families of the victims have been apprised of any and all developments from the authorities to their satisfaction (as can expected under the circumstances). Or do they feel the police know more and have been coy? If so,then why?

Was there a group of stoners that were considered bad-news in Speedway suddenly gone from the area not long after the crime? i.e. Suddenly moved away/got religion/joined the service(s)?

A few years ago, 4-5 years---a woman was found dead between Zore's Auto-Yard and Eagle Creek. I'm very familiar with Speedway. I've known people--lot's of them-- who've lived there for decades. Not a one of us knew that area was even accessible. After the initial news item wrt to this woman there was nothing. Nada! It's as if the crime went down the memory hole.

For some reason,my gut instinct thinks there's a connection between the two crimes--even though they're decades apart. Of course,I could be wrong.
What Do U Think

West Lafayette, IN

#13 Nov 20, 2014
One more crazy rumor I've heard. A cop was involved. I don't buy it at all.

But the idea of a close relative of a cop and/or a relative from a prominent family being involved is plausible.
Marvin

Fort Myers, FL

#14 Nov 20, 2014
What Do U Think wrote:
One more crazy rumor I've heard. A cop was involved. I don't buy it at all.
But the idea of a close relative of a cop and/or a relative from a prominent family being involved is plausible.
it would not surprise me .

Check with Jack Cottey and Steve Goldsmith! I would also interview Clarence the near blind black love machine. Sad world we live in!
Marvin

Tampa, FL

#15 Nov 21, 2014
What Do U Think wrote:
Well,we're just a bunch of lowly Topix miscreants and I doubt we will solve the crime,but let's discuss.
I've heard some strange rumors over the years.
Drug deal gone bad. I don't buy it.
A hellion from a family that owns liquor stores and his stoner friends were responsible. I have no clue.
Biker gang. I don't believe this to be true.
A Burger Chef robbery gang. This particular robbery is way too different from the others--as mentioned by those that were robbed by the gang whilst working at BC back in the day per news sites.
Those responsible for the burning down of the Art Theatre were involved. I have no idea as to the veracity of this,again,I'm clueless.
Those that killed a guy behind a school off of west 30th street in Eagledale were involved. This was told to me by a drunken patron at the Razz Ma Tazz in the mid 80's.
I don't buy into the previously mentioned thugs from Chicago. Thugs would've confined the crime at the restaurant and not driven to Johnson Co.
Some names have been mentioned in this thread. It would seem plausible to me if these people were involved,the cops would've made the lives of these people miserable. People living on Belmont and Harding don't have a lot of clout. Perhaps the cops did make their lives miserable, I dunno.
Moving along...
It's reprehensible the Speedway PD didn't take seriously the concern from the delivery driver regarding the abandoned store. It's even more reprehensible the store was cleaned before any investigation ensued.
2 things strike me as important:
1- The location of the carnage in Johnson Co.
2- According to WTHR,the manager's car was found not far from the Speedway Pd building. Not the most inconspicuous of places to ostensibly switch automobiles,etc.
I'm curious about a few things. Who owned the land in Johnson Co? I think the site is key to it all. Was it a place where certain people hung out?
Also,I wonder if the families of the victims have been apprised of any and all developments from the authorities to their satisfaction (as can expected under the circumstances). Or do they feel the police know more and have been coy? If so,then why?
Was there a group of stoners that were considered bad-news in Speedway suddenly gone from the area not long after the crime? i.e. Suddenly moved away/got religion/joined the service(s)?
A few years ago, 4-5 years---a woman was found dead between Zore's Auto-Yard and Eagle Creek. I'm very familiar with Speedway. I've known people--lot's of them-- who've lived there for decades. Not a one of us knew that area was even accessible. After the initial news item wrt to this woman there was nothing. Nada! It's as if the crime went down the memory hole.
For some reason,my gut instinct thinks there's a connection between the two crimes--even though they're decades apart. Of course,I could be wrong.
I had not heard about the Art Theatre. Fred use to hang with the dude that owned the Art. He lived not far fro Belmont and Washington. He bragged abou sling 50 lbs of pot to bikers. He was harassed by police and even beat by them around the time of the murders. He then moved to St. Louis. By reports he was drunk or wasted until his death in 2000.

And didn't one of names mentioned above hang at the razz and knew Bret?
The Crime Stopperz

Indianapolis, IN

#16 Nov 22, 2014
You want to bring up unsolved murders and how long it takes police to solve a crime, I can give you one, The Peggy Sue Altes murder back in the 80's , She was about 12 years old, She was molested and raped for a couple of years , Her own brother-n-law raped her, He was one present along with the twin Munson brother's and another man , It took 20 years to finally send the real killer of Peggy to prison , The thing is he went to prison not for murdering Peggy , Yet for violating his parole by molesting a nephew in his family. Peggy never got the justice she still deserves , Her brother--n-law spent 13 years in prison when he was originally charges with her murder, When new dna evidence came to be, A greenfield hurt awarded him 450 thousand for being wrongfully charged with her murder. He admitted he raped her many times and was present when she was abducted and taken to the greenfield cornfield and raped again and then stabbed to death and left naked in the field, One of the Munson brothers took the bloody knife and clothing and buried it behind a barn in south port at his gf;s home.Bad police work allowed the Munson brothers to go free and to free the brother-n-law . Another spent time in prison because he wouldn't tell the cops all that he knew and that he withheld evidence for years of the crime he helped carryout.As in the burger chef murders , The names you mention Larry Lemaster, He was always a braggard , he lied all the time to impress people.He didnt do it.One of the Munson brothers is always in and out of jail because he is a meth head. The other lives in Florida has a family and runs a business there, Must be nice to have his own kids and freedom now. Sad thing Peggy didnt have a chance Later in life Her own brother who was a janitor at school 21 on the south side was arrested for child molestation . He probaly molested her also.Her killer His name was Beaver . I forget his first name. I have gave you an example of how police can not investigate those who carryout a crime and murder.Another example is of another teen killed at her home with her infant . They always had the name of her killer, He was her brothers best friend He had a crush on her, He was at the house many times, They assumed the palm print they found that was bloody print, That had the victims dna and the friends. It took about 20 years to finally arrest him.

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