Poor Plastic Surgery Victims Speak Up!
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joethehusband

Farmington, MI

#65 Feb 14, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
A legal expert? Then you should know that past cases are irrelevant to curent case. Did you get a malpractice verdict in this case--at the age of 6? And how does one become a legal expert who doesn't understand or believe in patient waivers? Or, for that matter, who believes someone has to prove innocence in a court case. Burden of proof is on the accuser, remember?
To establish malpractice, you need medical experts, which you are not.
Medical ethics are standardized by the AMA; the oath is not relevant.
As for stats--only 25% of the world's population is jewish or christian--and not all sects follow the 10 commandments.
I have no connection to eppley; just another of your butt-hurt fantasies. I do have many years in the medical fields and heard a lot of patients moan about consequences of procedures that were all explained as possible side effects. The doctors with whom I worked had only one malpractice case brought, which was decided in their favor. It still was devastating to them. So yes, I have a stake in this game--doctors need to be protected from patients who refuse to accept that bad things can result from perfectly appropriate procedures. Aside from the ethical considerations, constant litigation is a major factor in the cost of halthcare.
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Dear Cpeter1313,

A plastic surgeon hurt my wife, destroyed our lives. We sued the bastard in court, but lost. Your "Burden of proof is on the accuser, remember?" remark got me to thinking. I thought, and I thought, and finally I came up with a solution. I waited outside the clinic. When the doctor came out I took a ball pin hammer to his head I'm an auto body mechanic). No body saw me do it. "Burden of proof" on the accuser sure is a nice thing.
Sally

Farmington, MI

#66 Feb 14, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
A legal expert? Then you should know that past cases are irrelevant to curent case. Did you get a malpractice verdict in this case--at the age of 6? And how does one become a legal expert who doesn't understand or believe in patient waivers? Or, for that matter, who believes someone has to prove innocence in a court case. Burden of proof is on the accuser, remember?
To establish malpractice, you need medical experts, which you are not.
Medical ethics are standardized by the AMA; the oath is not relevant.
As for stats--only 25% of the world's population is jewish or christian--and not all sects follow the 10 commandments.
I have no connection to eppley; just another of your butt-hurt fantasies. I do have many years in the medical fields and heard a lot of patients moan about consequences of procedures that were all explained as possible side effects. The doctors with whom I worked had only one malpractice case brought, which was decided in their favor. It still was devastating to them. So yes, I have a stake in this game--doctors need to be protected from patients who refuse to accept that bad things can result from perfectly appropriate procedures. Aside from the ethical considerations, constant litigation is a major factor in the cost of halthcare.
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Your sneering reference to hearing patients "moaning" about things they were "explained" to them (obviously with insufficient eloquence necessary to get them to sign on the line) is touching testament to the fact that the "many years" you spent in the so-called medical profession were years you wasted. From the tone of your attitude, you missed your calling in the prison system. Perhaps there's still time.
Steve

Scottsdale, AZ

#67 Feb 14, 2013
Any one who gets plastic surgery other than for disfigurement is an idiot. I
know a number of plastic surgeons and they only care about money,money
and more money. Most refuse to be on call for hospitals,why should they
want to sit by the phone all night and do nothing and get paid $3000.00 just
to be on call for 24 hours at a hospital when they can do two breast enhancements
and get paid $20,000.00, because women are stupid.They are the ones driving
that stupid industry.
Nate

Burbank, CA

#68 Feb 15, 2013
Steve wrote:
Any one who gets plastic surgery other than for disfigurement is an idiot. I
know a number of plastic surgeons and they only care about money,money
and more money. Most refuse to be on call for hospitals,why should they
want to sit by the phone all night and do nothing and get paid $3000.00 just
to be on call for 24 hours at a hospital when they can do two breast enhancements
and get paid $20,000.00, because women are stupid.They are the ones driving
that stupid industry.
The fact is that people are vulnerable to many things, their own vanity and stupidity included. This does nothing to absolve or lessen the doctor's obligation to act ethically and in good conscience, and to put the patient first. The fact that some doctors--plastic surgeons in particular--don't behave ethically is no reason to throw up the white flag and declare their victims responsible. You might as well exculpate the rapist because the victim wears short skirts and shops at Victoria's Secret. The reason doctors take an oath--cpeter1313's morally repugnant position on this notwithstanding--is to keep them in mind that with their extreme advantage over the rest of society comes a corresponding obligation to society to off-set that advantage. One of the qualities of a civilized society is that we hold people accountable according to the advantage they have over other. A black belt in karate has an obligation to the shitfaced moron who picks a fight with him in the street to make sure that the moron doesn't get hurt. If you don't understand what I'm saying, that you don't understand what I'm saying and that's all there is to it.

To whomsoever much is given, of him will much be required; and to whom much was entrusted, of him more will be asked.— Luke 12:35-48
Plastic Surgery Victim

Belmont, CA

#69 Mar 27, 2013
It is absolutely untrue that most bad outcomes in plastic surgery are unavoidable.
1.Most plastic surgeons are arrogant egomaniacs and a high percentage of them are sociopaths. Google "serial killers in the medical profession", written by a physician.
2. Doctors really aren't that smart. They are good at memorization. So they like to memorize what to do for a particular procedure, and then do the same thing over and over again, like an assembly line, even if that is not appropriate for that particular patient. It eliminates having to think.
3. Doctors in states like CA that have a low cap on pain & suffering damages in medical malpractice cases know that unless their patient is wealthy or has catastrophic injuries, they will not be able to get a lawyer on contingency, so therefore will not be able to sue them. This makes them get sloppy because they know there will be no consequences for their butchery. They choose their victims well, and never screw up on wealthy people.
Remember, absolute power leads to absolute corruption, and doctors are no exception.

And before you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, 5 out of 5 board certified doctors in CA screwed up in surgery on me.

The first one left me on the table bleeding out after he hit an artery in my abdomen, and went to make a phone call. I lost half my blood.

The second one operated on the wrong leg, and more than a dozen of the wrong parts, parts that were perfect & I didn't consent to surgery on. He damaged my perfect knees, perfect calves, he carved large X's into my hips, & made sutures in my pubic area, all for no reason & without consent. He was used to doing full body lipo on women who were 200 lbs, so he did the same surgery on me, even though I weighed 103 lbs.

The third one got mad at me because I asked him to do the procedure in the way I thought would give me the best results (too lengthy to describe here). He wouldn't change the way he did it, so I cancelled the surgery. He had his receptionist call me the next day saying he would do it my way. But his ego just couldn't handle taking orders from a mere patient, so he DELIBERATELY damaged my inner thigh, a part he wasn't supposed to operate on. This was the medical equivalent of a waiter spitting in your soup. It turned out my suggestion worked, & I'm sure that was the trigger for what he did.

The fourth one did the opposite of what he was supposed to do, even though I gave him detailed diagrams of exactly what he was supposed to do and where, and he agreed to this. Minutes before surgery when I was under the influence of valium, he got me to agree to a different surgery, and had me sign it. I didn't know what I was doing. He ended up doing to me his "trademarked" surgery which included things that I didn't need, and caused further damage including sciatic nerve pain.

When I gave him a negative review, just stating the facts of what he did, he threatened me with physical harm, then posted that I wasn't a patient, I was a former employee who stole drugs from him, that I was a drug addict & extortionist, all totally made up. He had his wife file a phony restraining order against me, saying I threatened to kill her & her kids. I had to fly to LA at my expense to fight it and it was dismissed for lack of evidence, because it never happened. He then sued ME for defamation, and I have spent $8K on legal fees to fight it.

The fifth one gave me the wrong anesthesia, even though I put in my consent form that was only consenting to be given one particular drug. I reminded the surgeon & anesthesiologist of this just before surgery. But this was not enough to get them off automatic pilot, and they gave me the drugs they usually give, which caused my hair to fall out. I found out later this plastic surgeon killed a woman a few years before when she gave her too much anesthesia.

The leading cause of death in this country is now medical mistakes. The injured are in the millions.
Cest La Vie

Indianapolis, IN

#70 Apr 10, 2013
Elephant Man wrote:
I was thinkin' about a little botox here & there.
Try Xeomin. It's the newer form of Botox with less ingredients to cause an allergic reaction. I'm very happy with my results. Had injections once last year, just touched them up recently. You won't look 10 years younger or anything crazy, just less tense/furtive.
pishposh

Carmel, IN

#71 Apr 16, 2013
Plastic Surgery Victim wrote:
It is absolutely untrue that most bad outcomes in plastic surgery are unavoidable.
1.Most plastic surgeons are arrogant egomaniacs and a high percentage of them are sociopaths. Google "serial killers in the medical profession", written by a physician.
2. Doctors really aren't that smart. They are good at memorization. So they like to memorize what to do for a particular procedure, and then do the same thing over and over again, like an assembly line, even if that is not appropriate for that particular patient. It eliminates having to think.
3. Doctors in states like CA that have a low cap on pain & suffering damages in medical malpractice cases know that unless their patient is wealthy or has catastrophic injuries, they will not be able to get a lawyer on contingency, so therefore will not be able to sue them. This makes them get sloppy because they know there will be no consequences for their butchery. They choose their victims well, and never screw up on wealthy people.
Remember, absolute power leads to absolute corruption, and doctors are no exception.
And before you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, 5 out of 5 board certified doctors in CA screwed up in surgery on me.
The first one left me on the table bleeding out after he hit an artery in my abdomen, and went to make a phone call. I lost half my blood.
The second one operated on the wrong leg, and more than a dozen of the wrong parts, parts that were perfect & I didn't consent to surgery on. He damaged my perfect knees, perfect calves, he carved large X's into my hips, & made sutures in my pubic area, all for no reason & without consent. He was used to doing full body lipo on women who were 200 lbs, so he did the same surgery on me, even though I weighed 103 lbs.
You are insane and an insult to humanity. Using this forum to disparage someone is revolting. You should be ashamed!
Louise

London, Canada

#72 Jan 13, 2014
I followed Lucille's situation and watched and read pretty much all of her material. Being in the medical profession, I came to one conclusion. Lucille was in dire need of a mental health provider(s). She presented many symptoms indicative of psychological disorders. That became even more evident by the fact that she committed suicide. It's a shame she didn't get the help she really needed.
Kathleen

Chicago, IL

#74 Apr 24, 2014
arlene wrote:
elective surgery. oh well.
Arlene, I kinda doubt you are Lucille Lacovellis sister, I have a hard time believing a sister would act so hateful, you should be ashamed , She was a lovely person and now that she is dead .Shame on a sister that would not say nice word's about her.And you are acting like a loving sister on her Legacy guestbook Why do you even bother is it because you want to see if she had friend's I'm curious about you

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