No charges in crash that killed 8

No charges in crash that killed 8

There are 182 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jul 3, 2007, titled No charges in crash that killed 8. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

No charges will be filed against an Illinois truck driver who was trying to recharge his cell phone when he rammed into stopped traffic on the Indiana Toll Road, killing eight people.

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EastSide

United States

#172 Jul 4, 2007
Tina wrote:
And I am sure that charging this man would bring their family back! If it were an accident, then why not just let it be.
8 needless deaths, caused by someone not paying attention. HORSE****!!

That effing basstard needs to be held accountable for the lives he took.

You clowns that do not believe in accoutability, or say 'oopsie' are just twisted in your heads as to the value of human life.
EastSide

United States

#173 Jul 4, 2007
Harrison wrote:
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I second this strongly. All the safety stuff in cars does next to nothing to save lives at high speed. If you look closely at the highway fatality statistics, highway deaths have gone up --- thanks to the increase in speed limits. But urban fatalities have gone done thanks to the increase in seat belt use and air bags.
My personal data point: My wife was killed while stopped at a light 18 months ago in another state. She was rear ended by someone either playing with his cell phone or asleep at about 50 mph. He walked. She died. She had her seatbelt on and the airbag triggered.
He was charged with negligent homicide -- he pleaded down to the manslaughter version. Why the hell not in this state???
"Accidents Happen" is bull. DuPont Corporation believes that EVERY accident is preventable.
Agreed. It's a lessening of responsibility for ones acts, and a cheapening of human life.

Indiana is just to damn stupid as a people to change. Stupid inbread Hoosiers. If the ever gave a family reunion, half the damn state would show up.
Bryan

Panama City, FL

#174 Jul 4, 2007
EastSide wrote:
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8 needless deaths, caused by someone not paying attention. HORSE****!!
That effing basstard needs to be held accountable for the lives he took.
You clowns that do not believe in accoutability, or say 'oopsie' are just twisted in your heads as to the value of human life.
Some of you people kill me. You think you are perfect drivers and that never has had a destraction or as such.

It is easy to convict another driver and cry foul that he wasn't charge with a crime because you are not the one who was driving the truck.

If it would happen to any of you then you would be thankful that you were not being charged with a crime and you would be crying it was "just an accident".

Since: Jan 07

Greenfield

#175 Jul 4, 2007
I started driving a truck recently for a lumber company. I have always been agitated at the way people assume that when their back bumper gets in front of you,r front bumper that it is automatically ok to come over reguardless of anything other than they want to be in front of you. I also have it happen as I am sure all drivers do, in my car. They don,t realize that it is alot harder to stop a truck with a load, or they don,t care.I read where a driver says that if you are the one in the back that it is automatically you,r fault, reguardless of fault you will either be dead or badly injured.People this is not nascar! Just because you get you,r bumper in front of mine doe,s not give you the right to come over in my lane and expect me to just slow down and let it happen again and again.People will go to the last second to exit and expect someone to let them in while the rest of us wait our turn, like they are more important or more deserving of their time.I see more almost accidents because of cell phones. I think it,s terrible what happen to the people involved in this accident, but if people don,t start being more courteous,more aware, and less me me me on the road this will happen a lot more. Please people realize that you can and will get hurt in a car or truck,either physically or mentally, if you don,t slow down and be patient. God bless the injured, and families of both driver and deceased. P S see you on the highway.
EastSide

United States

#176 Jul 4, 2007
Bryan wrote:
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Some of you people kill me. You think you are perfect drivers and that never has had a destraction or as such.
It is easy to convict another driver and cry foul that he wasn't charge with a crime because you are not the one who was driving the truck.
If it would happen to any of you then you would be thankful that you were not being charged with a crime and you would be crying it was "just an accident".
Perfect, no. Far from it. After all the bloodshed on Indiana highways in the last 3 years, it's gotten out of hand.

These 80,000 lb weapons are just smearing people across the asphalt, as the drivers say "WHOOPSIE!".

All the Taylor Univ students killed because of a semi that went acros the median because the driver was tired, the semi that hit a tow-truck in I-69 (with all his flashing lights on), because he was distracted, the semi's that splattered how many ISP troopes that led to the law about moving over a lane, the State Representative who's daughter was splattered by a semi.... the list goes on and on.

No more excuses.
utopia

Bridgeview, IL

#177 Jul 4, 2007
Bryan wrote:
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Some of you people kill me. You think you are perfect drivers and that never has had a destraction or as such.
It is easy to convict another driver and cry foul that he wasn't charge with a crime because you are not the one who was driving the truck.
If it would happen to any of you then you would be thankful that you were not being charged with a crime and you would be crying it was "just an accident".
I agree.

Apparently they live in Utopia but they will have to relocate when their time comes.

Anyone incapable of error is not human.
Bryan

Panama City, FL

#178 Jul 4, 2007
EastSide wrote:
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Perfect, no. Far from it. After all the bloodshed on Indiana highways in the last 3 years, it's gotten out of hand.
These 80,000 lb weapons are just smearing people across the asphalt, as the drivers say "WHOOPSIE!".
All the Taylor Univ students killed because of a semi that went acros the median because the driver was tired, the semi that hit a tow-truck in I-69 (with all his flashing lights on), because he was distracted, the semi's that splattered how many ISP troopes that led to the law about moving over a lane, the State Representative who's daughter was splattered by a semi.... the list goes on and on.
No more excuses.
The difference is is that truck driver (in the Taylor crash) broke a State and Federal law where this trucker did not break any laws. It was a lack in judgement not a crime.
Harrison

Indianapolis, IN

#179 Jul 4, 2007
Bryan wrote:
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Some of you people kill me. You think you are perfect drivers and that never has had a destraction or as such.
It is easy to convict another driver and cry foul that he wasn't charge with a crime because you are not the one who was driving the truck.
If it would happen to any of you then you would be thankful that you were not being charged with a crime and you would be crying it was "just an accident".
Well, it is easy for me to call foul. I work very hard not to drive distracted. I couldn't stop soon enough 35 years ago and tagged the back of the car in front of me because I was starring at street signs. Never again.

Nowadays, I don't dial my cell phone while moving. I never try to plug it in the cigaretter lighter. I'll pull over if I have take to call. I don't drive tired. The last time I tired while driving, I checked into a motel even though I was only 2 hours from home.

I'm driving a 1.5 ton weapon I hold myself responsible why shouldn't everyone else?
Harrison

Indianapolis, IN

#180 Jul 4, 2007
Bryan wrote:
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The difference is is that truck driver (in the Taylor crash) broke a State and Federal law where this trucker did not break any laws. It was a lack in judgement not a crime.
Are you trying to say there's no negligent homicide laws in this state?
EastSide

United States

#181 Jul 4, 2007
Bryan wrote:
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The difference is is that truck driver (in the Taylor crash) broke a State and Federal law where this trucker did not break any laws. It was a lack in judgement not a crime.
Thru inattention he took 8 lives.

Or is your opinion of human life so low that a cell phone over-rides 8 of them???
Bryan

Panama City, FL

#182 Jul 4, 2007
Harrison wrote:
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Well, it is easy for me to call foul. I work very hard not to drive distracted. I couldn't stop soon enough 35 years ago and tagged the back of the car in front of me because I was starring at street signs. Never again.
Nowadays, I don't dial my cell phone while moving. I never try to plug it in the cigaretter lighter. I'll pull over if I have take to call. I don't drive tired. The last time I tired while driving, I checked into a motel even though I was only 2 hours from home.
I'm driving a 1.5 ton weapon I hold myself responsible why shouldn't everyone else?
Everyone should take responsibility for their actions. This trucker admitted that he wasn't paying attention. It wasn't a crime cause if it was then we would all be in prison if we cause an accident. Hell you might as well ban driving then.

Also I'm glad you pull over if you're tired. My older brother was only about ten minutes from home and he fell asleep and had an accident that cost him his life.
Bryan

Panama City, FL

#183 Jul 4, 2007
EastSide wrote:
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Thru inattention he took 8 lives.
Or is your opinion of human life so low that a cell phone over-rides 8 of them???
Uh no I think cell phones should be banned while driving or ban idiots from driving. Nothing pisses me off more then idiots driving while on a cell phone.
Bryan

Panama City, FL

#184 Jul 4, 2007
Harrison wrote:
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Are you trying to say there's no negligent homicide laws in this state?
“In Indiana we don’t have negligent homicide, so mere negligence is not going to sustain a criminal accusation,” According to Elkhart County Prosecutor Curtis T. Hill Jr. at a news conference.

I guess not.
Harrison

Indianapolis, IN

#185 Jul 4, 2007
Bryan wrote:
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Everyone should take responsibility for their actions. This trucker admitted that he wasn't paying attention. It wasn't a crime cause if it was then we would all be in prison if we cause an accident. Hell you might as well ban driving then.
Also I'm glad you pull over if you're tired. My older brother was only about ten minutes from home and he fell asleep and had an accident that cost him his life.
With the quality of driving out there these days, banning driving isn't such a bad idea. No we wouldn't all be in prison. The laws are deterents. If more people realized that a screw up of inattention would actually cost them serious time and money, maybe they'd pay attention and not take chances, instead of just saying, "My bad" and go on.

Like when a CEO or the President or some other highly visible person with great responsibility says, "I take full responisibly [for the screw up]" And does the person get fired? Or sued? Or charged? Never! So why not on the road, I guess.

Sorry about your brother. I now you have a permenant hole in you.

My wife was killed in 2005 by someone rearending her at 60 mph while he was [probably] fiddling with a cell phone. He was charged with negligent homicide. It wasn't in the wild wild west we call Indiana. I pay extra attention to my driving now.
Bryan

Panama City, FL

#186 Jul 4, 2007
Harrison wrote:
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With the quality of driving out there these days, banning driving isn't such a bad idea. No we wouldn't all be in prison. The laws are deterents. If more people realized that a screw up of inattention would actually cost them serious time and money, maybe they'd pay attention and not take chances, instead of just saying, "My bad" and go on.
Like when a CEO or the President or some other highly visible person with great responsibility says, "I take full responisibly [for the screw up]" And does the person get fired? Or sued? Or charged? Never! So why not on the road, I guess.
Sorry about your brother. I now you have a permenant hole in you.
My wife was killed in 2005 by someone rearending her at 60 mph while he was [probably] fiddling with a cell phone. He was charged with negligent homicide. It wasn't in the wild wild west we call Indiana. I pay extra attention to my driving now.
I'm so sorry to hear about your wife so now I know where you are coming from.

I'm sure this trucker is devastated over this and he has a punishment and burden that he has to live with the rest of his life.

But like I said earlier people are wanting this man executed but they would be thinking differently if it was them that caused the wreck. They would be screaming "it was an accident".
Bryan

Panama City, FL

#187 Jul 4, 2007
Harrison wrote:
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Sorry about your brother. I now you have a permenant hole in you.
My wife was killed in 2005 by someone rearending her at 60 mph while he was [probably] fiddling with a cell phone. He was charged with negligent homicide. It wasn't in the wild wild west we call Indiana. I pay extra attention to my driving now.
Also my brother will gone 15 years on 21st of this month. Even though your loss is still fresh trust me when I say this,(even though people greive differently), it will get better with time and there are support groups out there and they do help alot.
Harrison

Indianapolis, IN

#188 Jul 4, 2007
Bryan wrote:
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Also my brother will gone 15 years on 21st of this month. Even though your loss is still fresh trust me when I say this,(even though people greive differently), it will get better with time and there are support groups out there and they do help alot.
Thanks. Actually, it is much better now, but the first 6 months or so.... whoa. I had good grieving support. In fact, I've helped others with sudden losses.

I wasn't out for revenge for the guy that killed my wife. Can't say that about my stepsons. Nothing was bring her back. Revenge is so Old Testament. Indeed, we can make reasonable assumptions that the trucker that killed those eight is a basket case. The fact that he said what he was doing is good. The guy that hit my wife never fessed up to what he was actually doing. I'm guessing sleeping or cell phoning or whatever. But definitely not paying attention. And that is the reason that some sort of criminal charge is due. It's a message that this sort of behavior is not at all acceptable.

And unfortunately, you are right. Many of the whiners about "justice" here wouldn't like it if the shoe was on the other foot. In my case, the justice person said the state doesn't like jury trials for these crashes because the jury starts thinking --- like you said --- that could be me!
Mike

Milwaukee, WI

#189 Jul 4, 2007
Noblesville Dad wrote:
My wife slides off the snow covered road into a ditch, harming nobody, and she gets a ticket for "Failure to Control". This guy slams into stopped traffic, kills 8 people, and he gets nothing? What a JOKE!
There may not be criminal charges, but there is bound to be a civil suit. And I'm sure the truck driver will lose that one.
If she got a ticket for "Failure to Control" it must have been in Ohio. They ticket nearly every accident. Indiana has no such statute.
Jaded

United States

#190 Jul 6, 2007
Company Man, are you the truck driver's brother or something? Seriously, get a life...
Scooter57

United States

#191 Jul 7, 2007
Mike wrote:
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If she got a ticket for "Failure to Control" it must have been in Ohio. They ticket nearly every accident. Indiana has no such statute.
Ain't that the truth. Indiana is still stuck in the '50's as far as traffic laws go. And drivers ed programs here are a joke.

I still think the Police & Prosecutor up there need a hell of a slap for what has NOT been done to that MURDERER who took 8 lives.

But the goods have gotta get to market, right?

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