Neighbors in custom homes put up a fi...

Neighbors in custom homes put up a fight with Pulte

There are 100 comments on the Carmel Star story from Jan 13, 2011, titled Neighbors in custom homes put up a fight with Pulte. In it, Carmel Star reports that:

Sign in front of a home on Birkenhead St. and Mercer Street, opposing new Pulte homes in the Village of West Clay.

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My Home Is Custom

Freetown, IN

#1 Jan 14, 2011
Why must we have ordinary people living within close proximity to us? Why must we share the air with those less than us? We should have our own air,roads,grocery stores,etc. Why is life so brutal?

It was bad enough having brown people around to do the brickwork. Thank the good Lord they didn't steal anything.
Why can't you ordinary people find another place to live?
We Have Class

Freetown, IN

#2 Jan 14, 2011
A Segment of Americans are now so uptight they're placing signs outside of their homes decrying their dissatisfaction of people whom buy from a particular builder.

Gee. America is screwed. In only 50 years we've gone from signs depicting "No Black People Allowed" to "Particular Brand Name Homeowners Are Not Welcome".

Some white people cannot shake their hate of others. Affluence may buy you into the home of your choice,but it doesn't buy you any class.
Mr Satire

Freetown, IN

#3 Jan 14, 2011
FROM THE ARTICLE:"Clarkston and Frogmore opened in 2006, each to be uniquely quaint in the Village of WestClay. Clarkston homes are similar to those of the 1940s, and Frogmore of the turn of the 20th Century."

I think this development can use a new marketing theme.

Welcome to Clarkston & Frogmore. A utopia of the past. Where women know their place. The man is the king of his castle. Diversity in the population is nonexistent. A place where the Gilded Age springs eternal!
joe

Noblesville, IN

#4 Jan 14, 2011
LOL!! Whats it matter. The million dollar home you bought 5 years is now worth about 500,000.
Just Passing Through

Cincinnati, OH

#5 Jan 14, 2011
You all are missing the point and are being just as judgmental as you accuse the protesters as being. All the homeowners are trying to do is to preserve value in their investment.

Does it really matter what town you live in or how much you spent on your house? If you purchased your home for a set amount of money, with the HOA's promise (and contractual obligation) to "preserve and enhance value", and then the HOA breaks that contractual obligation to make choices which permanently deteriorate value (independent of market conditions), would you fight for your rights? Would you just sit back and let it all happen without any effort to protect your investment? It has NOTHING to do with a $400K house not being a nice home. It has to do with the relative home values.

As far as the race card being pulled out, there are a variety of ethnic backgrounds and races represented in that neighborhood. I'm not sure why "We Have Class" assumed that every homeowner is white. That, to me, sounds racist.
Just Passing Through

Cincinnati, OH

#6 Jan 14, 2011
Mr Satire wrote:
FROM THE ARTICLE:"Clarkston and Frogmore opened in 2006, each to be uniquely quaint in the Village of WestClay. Clarkston homes are similar to those of the 1940s, and Frogmore of the turn of the 20th Century."
I think this development can use a new marketing theme.
Welcome to Clarkston & Frogmore. A utopia of the past. Where women know their place. The man is the king of his castle. Diversity in the population is nonexistent. A place where the Gilded Age springs eternal!
You are entitled to your biased opinion but there are two comments that are blatantly false.

"Where women know their place". A majority of women in the neighborhood are career professionals. What in the world makes you think that they are not contributors to the household income (if not the breadwinner), lack independent thinking, and/or professional experience?

"Diversity in the population is nonexistent" Do you know the homeowners in the neighborhood? Apparently not. There is absolutely a demonstration of diversity. That is EXACTLY what attracted us to purchase in the VWC.

Since: Oct 08

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#7 Jan 14, 2011
Just Passing Through wrote:
You all are missing the point and are being just as judgmental as you accuse the protesters as being. All the homeowners are trying to do is to preserve value in their investment.
Does it really matter what town you live in or how much you spent on your house? If you purchased your home for a set amount of money, with the HOA's promise (and contractual obligation) to "preserve and enhance value", and then the HOA breaks that contractual obligation to make choices which permanently deteriorate value (independent of market conditions), would you fight for your rights? Would you just sit back and let it all happen without any effort to protect your investment? It has NOTHING to do with a $400K house not being a nice home. It has to do with the relative home values.
As far as the race card being pulled out, there are a variety of ethnic backgrounds and races represented in that neighborhood. I'm not sure why "We Have Class" assumed that every homeowner is white. That, to me, sounds racist.
Your house is really not an investment. Those days are long gone.Those houses have already dropped so much in value that a 400k home beside it wont matter.That whole neiborhood is a big pink elephant.It was sold as a great idea and now a few years later they cant sell the land so guess what... lower priced houses coming your way.
Oh BS

Freetown, IN

#8 Jan 14, 2011
Just Passing Through wrote:
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There is absolutely a demonstration of diversity. That is EXACTLY what attracted us to purchase in the VWC.
Diversity? Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Put On The Corset

Freetown, IN

#9 Jan 14, 2011
toad5251 wrote:
<quoted text>Your house is really not an investment. Those days are long gone.Those houses have already dropped so much in value that a 400k home beside it wont matter.That whole neiborhood is a big pink elephant.It was sold as a great idea and now a few years later they cant sell the land so guess what... lower priced houses coming your way.
Buying a home strictly as an investment is passe'. These people seem like the types who believe their little league-er at 9 yrs of age, is going to go on to the big leagues. Also,the same type of people that send their 12 yr old daughter to the plastic surgeon for something totally negligible.
Faith

Freetown, IN

#10 Jan 14, 2011
There's no need to travel to N.Y.C. or Chicago. Just a quick drive through the bucolic environment of Clarkston and Frogmore will reveal a diversity only to be found in the largest cities of the country.

I have a lot of faith in the diverse professionals residing at Clarkston and Frogmore. If these people are as smart and talented as they would have us believe,there's no doubt in my mind they'll be able to pool all of their resources and buy up the land earmarked for the undesirables.
5 Man Electrical Band

Freetown, IN

#11 Jan 14, 2011
And the sign said,
"Long-haired freaky people
Need not apply."
So I tucked my hair up under my hat
And I went in to ask him why.
He said, "You look like a fine upstandin' young man.
I think you'll do."
So I took off my hat and said, "Imagine that.
huh , me workin' for you."

Whoa, sign, sign.
Everywhere a sign.
Blockin' out the scen'ry.
Breakin' my mind.
Do this. Don't do that.
Can't you read the sign?

And the sign said,
"Anybody caught trespassin'
Will be shot on sight."
So I jumped on the fence and I yelled at the house,
"Hey! What gives you the right
To put up a fence to keep me out,
But to keep Mother Nature in?
If God was here, he'd tell you to your face,
'Man, you're some kind of sinner.'"

Sign, sign.
Everywhere a sign.
Blockin' out the scenery.
Breakin' my mind.
Do this. Don't do that.
Can't you read the sign?

Now, hey you, Mister, can't you read?
You got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat.
You can't even watch. No, you can't eat.
You ain't supposed to be here.
The sign said, "You've got to have a membership card
To get inside." Uh.

And the sign said, "Everybody welcome.
Come in. Kneel down and pray."
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all,
I didn't have a penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper
And I made up my own little sign.
I said, "Thank you, Lord, for thinkin''bout me.
I'm alive and doin' fine."

Whoo! Sign, sign.
Everywhere a sign.
Blockin' out the scenery.
Breakin' my mind.
Do this. Don't do that.
Can't you read the sign?

Sign, sign.
Everywhere a sign.
Sign, sign.
Corrosion of Conformity

Freetown, IN

#12 Jan 14, 2011
Just Passing Through wrote:
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lack independent thinking, and/or professional experience?
I agree. People lacking professional experience are lowly POS worms. I can understand why you would only want to surround yourself in kind. Independent thinking? I consider independent thinking to be synonymous with an HOA membership. HOA membership defines the idea of the independent thinker.
Just Passing Through

Cincinnati, OH

#13 Jan 14, 2011
Oh BS wrote:
<quoted text>Diversity? Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Funny? You must not have a clue as to the families that live here. Really, if you want to mock a group of people at least gain some knowledge of them.
More Truth

Freetown, IN

#14 Jan 14, 2011
We Have Class wrote:
A Segment of Americans are now so uptight they're placing signs outside of their homes decrying their dissatisfaction of people whom buy from a particular builder.
Gee. America is screwed. In only 50 years we've gone from signs depicting "No Black People Allowed" to "Particular Brand Name Homeowners Are Not Welcome".
Some white people cannot shake their hate of others. Affluence may buy you into the home of your choice,but it doesn't buy you any class.
Exactly. I understand your post. Race and class are not mutually exclusive issues,even though some would like others to think differently. 50 years ago racism was open,today,racism is often more subtle and kept under the guise of classicism,or some other tenuous umbrella. I don't see these people placing signs decrying their disappointment in the diminishing values of their homes,in-as-much as they're sending a message to others to "stay away from us,we don't want you here".. There are a number reasons for lower home values,and none of the signs posted mention these reasons. These signs are aimed at a specific group of people and a particular builder with respect to class --White,Black,Hispanic,etc--an d are aimed to discourage new residents. It's simply intimidation. Just as a sign in the South may ask certain people to leave their town by sundown. There's a large segment of the professional class in America that believes in the acceptance of minorities --as long as they're a member of the professional class. Outside of the professional,they speak of of those outside of their class with the same pejoratives as their redneck cousins.

These people have embarrassed themselves, and are probably so arrogant,they don't even realize it.
Linda Bledsoe

Fishers, IN

#15 Jan 14, 2011
Just Passing Through wrote:
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Funny? You must not have a clue as to the families that live here. Really, if you want to mock a group of people at least gain some knowledge of them.
These people are so obsessed with their lack of wealth and prosperity that any story about Carmel causes them to freak out.
Say No To Bad Behavior

Freetown, IN

#16 Jan 14, 2011
Linda Bledsoe wrote:
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These people are so obsessed with their lack of wealth and prosperity that any story about Carmel causes them to freak out.
If I had my druthers,I wouldn't let anyone send their children to a Carmel school. Affluent or not. Too much deviant and permissive behavior seems to be allowed.
Carmel 269

Milliken, CO

#17 Jan 15, 2011
Carmel Indiana has become PERVERT CITY!!

Carmel High School is a school for deviant,
permissive, and criminal behavior.

NEVER FORGET the CRIMES of the CARMEL FOUR
homosexual-student RAPE GANG!!

Several teachers in Carmel High School
are admitted homosexuals and lesbians.

It's NAMBLA country!!

NEVER FORGET the crimes of the CARMEL FOUR!!
Clear Justice

Appleton, WI

#18 Jan 15, 2011
New homes for younger family's, seniors, or whomever is a positive thing to any neighborhood. The people have money to buy a home, it keeps your property value up instead of down. Doctors, dentists, day cares etc..are kept in business due to the new families buying those smaller homes. I never understood this sorta of Carmel mentality. As long as new money is coming into Carmel that is called growth. Smile for your new neighbors and greet them. Hoosier Hospitality is needed more that ever these days mostly in Carmel.
The Mighty HOA

Freetown, IN

#19 Jan 15, 2011
Clear Justice wrote:
New homes for younger family's, seniors, or whomever is a positive thing to any neighborhood. The people have money to buy a home, it keeps your property value up instead of down. Doctors, dentists, day cares etc..are kept in business due to the new families buying those smaller homes. I never understood this sorta of Carmel mentality. As long as new money is coming into Carmel that is called growth. Smile for your new neighbors and greet them. Hoosier Hospitality is needed more that ever these days mostly in Carmel.
We must not have those kinds of people around us,it's best to act as if they don't exist. We are an elite group tucked away in our little enclave, and having a bunch of commoners just around the corner only serves to spoil our standard of living.
Clear Justice

Appleton, WI

#20 Jan 15, 2011
I was saying that HOA should allow the new homes. I stated the reasons why the Pulte Homes were good for the community. Growth is good, they do not understand what they are doing with those signs. The city is in debt and they should welcome other investors.

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