Duchess

Greenwood, IN

#22 Jan 28, 2013
Why wrote:
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Why you so concerned now? Where you been the last 10 years. Things do not get this bad over night.
FYI- I have been concerned. I went to a all white high school in the 70's when our wonderful mayor decided to bus the black inner city kids out to our school. They didn't want to be there and we didn't want them there. That was the beginning of hell. Nothing was ever the same in this city. I have watched the erosion of the eastside. Of downtown. These were nice areas at one time and have been reduced to slums. So I have been concerned for a very very long time.
They got by

Noblesville, IN

#23 Jan 28, 2013
unsound wrote:
Truly I think the problem is in the juvinelle system. It doesn't matter what color a kid is. They all get off with a slap on the wrist cause they don't know what to do with them. There is no scared straight programs and the juvinelle jail is a joke. Kids get arrested and are released back to parents within 2 hours. My son was jumped by 3 black boys as he walked across the street leaving his high school walking home. They wanted his iPod they broke his nose, busted his face up he put up a hell of a fight and they were all found guilty of robbery and assault and yet before their cases went to court they were out of jail that night before my son was out of the hospital. If they don't learn as young adults they surly can't as men.
Basically, they got by with it, which isn't right. We don't have any real justice anymore.
Sometimes, I think society has gone crazy! What else would you call it?
AllAmerican

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#24 Jan 28, 2013
Duchess wrote:
<quoted text>FYI- I have been concerned. I went to a all white high school in the 70's when our wonderful mayor decided to bus the black inner city kids out to our school. They didn't want to be there and we didn't want them there. That was the beginning of hell. Nothing was ever the same in this city. I have watched the erosion of the eastside. Of downtown. These were nice areas at one time and have been reduced to slums. So I have been concerned for a very very long time.
Out of curiosity, where did you go to school?
Need to be

Noblesville, IN

#25 Jan 28, 2013
Also, we need to be concerned about our city & where we go & live.
Duchess

Greenwood, IN

#26 Jan 28, 2013
They got by wrote:
<quoted text>
Basically, they got by with it, which isn't right. We don't have any real justice anymore.
Sometimes, I think society has gone crazy! What else would you call it?
Maybe the city is only as good as it's leaders?
Duchess

Greenwood, IN

#27 Jan 28, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
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Out of curiosity, where did you go to school?
John Marshall High School. It was in the middle of a cornfield then. The roads were all two lane. And only stop signs. Nothing was out there but the school.I was so clean. So nice.
AllAmerican

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#28 Jan 28, 2013
Duchess wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe the city is only as good as it's leaders?
The only leadership that will stop this is leadership in the home. Short of exterminating a couple of generations, and starting all over, fathers and mothers will have to start fathering and mothering.
Duchess

Greenwood, IN

#29 Jan 28, 2013
Duchess wrote:
<quoted text>John Marshall High School. It was in the middle of a cornfield then. The roads were all two lane. And only stop signs. Nothing was out there but the school.I was so clean. So nice.
IT was so clean and nice. Oops.
AllAmerican

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#30 Jan 28, 2013
Duchess wrote:
<quoted text>IT was so clean and nice. Oops.
Yeah, I figured that's what you meant. I went to Franklin Central and experienced pretty much the same thing. Overall, the program was a failure for all involved.
Duchess

Greenwood, IN

#31 Jan 28, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
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The only leadership that will stop this is leadership in the home. Short of exterminating a couple of generations, and starting all over, fathers and mothers will have to start fathering and mothering.
I'd say alot of these kids have no relationship with the parent figure. And they have no fear. To be in jail is a right of passage. I worked with a girl whose brother had two bullets in him, he was like a hero in that area.
Duchess

Greenwood, IN

#32 Jan 28, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
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Yeah, I figured that's what you meant. I went to Franklin Central and experienced pretty much the same thing. Overall, the program was a failure for all involved.
A huge failure. I remember some of the "riots". I still think this was the beginning of so many problems.
Moe

Indianapolis, IN

#33 Jan 28, 2013
But it's their right to carry!!!
unsound

Indianapolis, IN

#34 Jan 28, 2013
I can feel from this point I can talk from experience. It's easy to say take it back to the parents and it all has to do with parenting, but if you are the very best parent, involved in their lives, school etc. then all of a sudden they go into high school and they are now around 3,000 kids. They have had their hormones kick in and now they know everything because just like we did (test the waters of our parents) Then you have the other parents who are reliving their youth who want to buy the liquor, help supply the drugs and have the parties at their house. Kids all love them cause they are the cool parents, police do nothing because there isn't enough of them and they can't really go into homes to stop it, then when the kids go out and want to go into society they are nowhere near civilized and everyone wants to know why... Or who can we blame. It's really simple I think. Build a new jail, run one like they do in Texas when a kid is in trouble test the parents for drugs. If the parents have drugs in their system take down the family. Obviously it's not just one person it's like a trophy in the family to get in trouble when no one follows the law
Moe

Indianapolis, IN

#35 Jan 28, 2013
unsound wrote:
I can feel from this point I can talk from experience. It's easy to say take it back to the parents and it all has to do with parenting, but if you are the very best parent, involved in their lives, school etc. then all of a sudden they go into high school and they are now around 3,000 kids. They have had their hormones kick in and now they know everything because just like we did (test the waters of our parents) Then you have the other parents who are reliving their youth who want to buy the liquor, help supply the drugs and have the parties at their house. Kids all love them cause they are the cool parents, police do nothing because there isn't enough of them and they can't really go into homes to stop it, then when the kids go out and want to go into society they are nowhere near civilized and everyone wants to know why... Or who can we blame. It's really simple I think. Build a new jail, run one like they do in Texas when a kid is in trouble test the parents for drugs. If the parents have drugs in their system take down the family. Obviously it's not just one person it's like a trophy in the family to get in trouble when no one follows the law
We need more of this kind of attitude.

Spot on.
AllAmerican

Noblesville, IN

#36 Jan 28, 2013
Moe wrote:
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We need more of this kind of attitude.
Spot on.
So we can all agree that we need to stop using tax dollars to build anything that has to do with a sports venue, and build more jails? I will go for that. If you commit a felony with a firearm, or any other weapon for that matter, you do not get out. Ever! I don't care if you are 12 years old, if you are adult enough for an adult crime, you are old enough to spend the rest of your life in jail. True punishment will set the example, not like the laughable juvenile judicial system we have now.
AllAmerican

Noblesville, IN

#37 Jan 28, 2013
Duchess wrote:
<quoted text>A huge failure. I remember some of the "riots". I still think this was the beginning of so many problems.
I can see where those responsible for it could have thought it was a good idea, but also feel that they really didn't have an understanding of how things really worked. I am sure it was good for some, but the program as a whole was a failure.
Moe

Indianapolis, IN

#38 Jan 28, 2013
Guns are for right wing nuts and kooks.
AllAmerican

Noblesville, IN

#39 Jan 28, 2013
Moe wrote:
Guns are for right wing nuts and kooks.
Ok, but care to guess who is committing crimes with guns?
AllAmerican

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#41 Jan 29, 2013
horseman wrote:
There is no middle ground here. The gun nuts want to get into shoot outs with everyone and the gun haters want to strip all the guns from people which would only have the negative folks armed. Gun nuts chill out. You can have your guns but please try and not get into a shoot out in a mall with 300 plus people in any given location. Gun haters please understand that people are going to be carrying whether you like it or not.
You can't put all gun owners in one group, and call them "gun nuts". I am not a "gun nut". I do not collect guns, I have some, and I use them. In your plea to legal gun owners, you should have also begged unlicensed, illegal gun owners to try not to get into a shootout in the mall since that happens far more often.

Since: Jan 13

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#42 Jan 29, 2013
America manufactures more guns then the rest of the world combined.Back when Reagan was president,funding was cut for mental institutions and thousands of people were turned out in the street. To this day our country has mentally ill people homeless and many are living with people who own guns. Privacy laws prevent access to records of people's mental health. My uncle had a brain tumor ten years ago and since then he has been nutty as a fruitcake. He also owns an arsenal of weapons and no one seems to have a problem with it but me.Until America deals with mentall ill population gun violence will only get worse.

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