Belief in evolution is no litmus test for president

In his Feb. 8 column "Leave it up to the convention," Ken Bode echoes a comment that I have heard several times during this presidential campaign. Full Story
Jim

Greens Fork, IN

#21 Feb 16, 2008
Chris46227 wrote:
Belief in evolution (modern evolutionary theory, not Darwinian, which while correct in principle has many flaws) shows a fundamental understanding of reason. That is the litmus test, not evolution itself. Failure to believe in evolution is evidence of a severe problem with reason, which is probably why most who don't are Republicans.
Reason??? Really??? Who says that is the test to reason? Wouldn't a questioning attitude with different possibilities still held open to discussion would seem to be a better litmus test of reason.
Unleaded

AOL

#22 Feb 16, 2008
Transparent wrote:
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If we have more than 6 billion people on this planet and not a single one of us has the same 100 percent identical DNA or fingerprints - is that not a case for intelligent design?
No.

“SMILES can increase face value”

Since: Jan 08

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#23 Feb 16, 2008
Unleaded wrote:
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No.
Your succinct verbosity states my view as well. I enjoy oxymorons
Chris46227

Indianapolis, IN

#24 Feb 16, 2008
Jim wrote:
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Reason??? Really??? Who says that is the test to reason? Wouldn't a questioning attitude with different possibilities still held open to discussion would seem to be a better litmus test of reason.
That is only one of many tests of reason that folks of the religious right routinely fail. Thats why they had to set up their own colleges and universities, because they couldn't get degrees from real ones. I believe that you will find that Huckabee went to Baptist seminary...talk about a made up religion and a non-school.
Jimbo

Louisville, KY

#25 Feb 16, 2008
Jimbo wrote:
I don't "believe in" evolution; I understand that evolution is the best explanation for the body of observed data. Evolution has been a fundamental organizing principle of the universe since it began. I do believe in God, however, just not in the inerrancy of the Bible about events none of the people who wrote it were around to witness.
Dear other Jimbo: I hate to tell you this, but Charles Darwin wasn't around to witness the events either.
tired of the bs

United States

#26 Feb 16, 2008
Who's the VP????
Ummm

Kokomo, IN

#27 Feb 17, 2008
Transparent wrote:
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Yeah, we just magically appeared one day without a divine Creator ... one day we were a fish and the next we had legs and were walking on land ... or was it apes we evolved from? Now who believes in fairy tales?
If we have more than 6 billion people on this planet and not a single one of us has the same 100 percent identical DNA or fingerprints - is that not a case for intelligent design? Or do you still want to stick to the cosmic accident theory? Of course, none of these premises requires any faith other than in man's ideas.
Nope, it didn't happen in a day, or even in six days. The evolutionary process has taken millions of years. And it continues today.

Intelligent design is nothing more than a fairy tale. If you need that lift in your shoes, that's your business. But don't try and foist that nonsense on me.
Jim

Greens Fork, IN

#28 Feb 17, 2008
Chris46227 wrote:
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That is only one of many tests of reason that folks of the religious right routinely fail. Thats why they had to set up their own colleges and universities, because they couldn't get degrees from real ones. I believe that you will find that Huckabee went to Baptist seminary...talk about a made up religion and a non-school.
What an idiotic comment. If you want to do your history you will learn that all of your ivory tower Ivy League schools were all set up originally as seminaries, Harvard, Yale, Princton, etc,
Chris46227

Indianapolis, IN

#29 Feb 17, 2008
Jim wrote:
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What an idiotic comment. If you want to do your history you will learn that all of your ivory tower Ivy League schools were all set up originally as seminaries, Harvard, Yale, Princton, etc,
No doubt, Harvard divinity school is one of the most respected in the nation. However, I guarantee you that it is not currently graduating people who believe in Biblical Creationism. That is left to such august institutions as Bob Jones University et al.
fish

New Albany, IN

#30 Feb 17, 2008
Jim wrote:
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What an idiotic comment. If you want to do your history you will learn that all of your ivory tower Ivy League schools were all set up originally as seminaries, Harvard, Yale, Princton, etc,
Don't forget Georgetown, Duke, Notre Dame, Villanova, Marquette etc....Yeah those aren't real schools.
Jim

Greens Fork, IN

#31 Feb 17, 2008
Chris46227 wrote:
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No doubt, Harvard divinity school is one of the most respected in the nation. However, I guarantee you that it is not currently graduating people who believe in Biblical Creationism. That is left to such august institutions as Bob Jones University et al.
Just because they have lost their way and were taken over by those terrified of the truth, who truly no longer have an understanding of those underpinnings that hold this great nation together, doesn't mean that they aren't wrong today and were not correct before.
Geez

Indianapolis, IN

#32 Feb 18, 2008
Jim wrote:
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Just because they have lost their way and were taken over by those terrified of the truth, who truly no longer have an understanding of those underpinnings that hold this great nation together, doesn't mean that they aren't wrong today and were not correct before.
And vice versa, Jim. You may have lost your way and are wrong today and those institutions right today. Seems like a toss-up even in your view.
Liberal Tammy

Carmel, IN

#33 Feb 18, 2008
Ummm wrote:
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Nope, it didn't happen in a day, or even in six days. The evolutionary process has taken millions of years. And it continues today.
Intelligent design is nothing more than a fairy tale. If you need that lift in your shoes, that's your business. But don't try and foist that nonsense on me.
Evolution is nothing more than a fairy tale. If you need that lift in your shoes, that's your business. But don't try and foist that nonsense on me.

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#34 Feb 18, 2008
Transparent wrote:
<quoted text>not a single one of us has the same 100 percent identical DNA
Identical twins have identical DNA.

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Since: Jan 08

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#35 Feb 18, 2008
backtalker wrote:
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Identical twins have identical DNA.
Although identical twins have the same genotype, or DNA, they have different phenotypes, meaning such things as fingerprints and physical appearence may be different.
god

West Newton, IN

#36 Feb 18, 2008
round wrote:
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I'm pretty sure dinosaurs never existed and are a complete hoax.
wow, I'm pretty sure if there were dinosaurs they were certainly brighter than you...I'm convinced the 'average' Hoosier is dumber than a box of rocks...do they actually teach any science in schools here or do you just have bible study and leave it at that?!

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Since: Dec 06

That way...

#37 Feb 18, 2008
WiseA wrote:
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Although identical twins have the same genotype, or DNA, they have different phenotypes, meaning such things as fingerprints and physical appearence may be different.
Both things are true, yes. And the previous poster (suggesting that there are no two people with identical DNA) was patently wrong.
Crow Knows

Hoboken, NJ

#38 Feb 18, 2008
backtalker wrote:
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Both things are true, yes. And the previous poster (suggesting that there are no two people with identical DNA) was patently wrong.
Believe I read the odds of have identacle DNA is 5 billion to 1. Therefore in all the world you may have 1 or 2 people (Total of 2 or 4) with identacle DNA. Not sure what the point is anymore as we have gotten off topic.
Jim

Greens Fork, IN

#39 Feb 18, 2008
Liberal Tammy wrote:
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Evolution is nothing more than a fairy tale. If you need that lift in your shoes, that's your business. But don't try and foist that nonsense on me.
You have a theory, we have a theory, both have areas left unexplained. The things that destroy the validitaty in the theory of evolution are two things. One is where did life come from originally? That one issue destroys the theory of evolution as the only cause. The second is the famous missing link.

The likely truth is somewhere in the middle, where creation was orchestrated by God, over eons not 7 of what we now consider days. Who is to know how long a day is in God's definition. Like I always tell my kids, if you have a problem, give it to God, he is going to be up all night anyway.
Jim

Greens Fork, IN

#40 Feb 18, 2008
Geez wrote:
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And vice versa, Jim. You may have lost your way and are wrong today and those institutions right today. Seems like a toss-up even in your view.
So we find our selves agreeing to disagree, wow, that may be the most mature exchange these threads have ever seen.

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