20,000 bid farewell to troops ultimat...

20,000 bid farewell to troops ultimately bound for Iraq

There are 83 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 3, 2008, titled 20,000 bid farewell to troops ultimately bound for Iraq. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Micki Wood expects to feel down for the next few days. She'll cry some. She'll want to be alone.

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Since: Dec 06

Greenwood, IN

#43 Jan 3, 2008
Marty wrote:
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What exactly is the job they are suppose to do? God bless? If there was really a god then there would never have been a need for an Iraq war now would there?
You apparently have a weak understanding of God. God doesn't make every nitenoid detail occur. God gave us free will, and what we choose to do determines things like war and manmade disasters. Everything ain't hunky dorry because of free will, not some supposed failure on God's part.

Since: Dec 06

Greenwood, IN

#44 Jan 3, 2008
Realitybites wrote:
The Star should be ashamed of itself for banging the drum of ignorant... abused by America's wealthiest and dumbest bufoons.
Blah, blah, blah. This crap is old and tired, not to mention irrelevant to the truth on the ground in Iraq today.

Since: Dec 06

Greenwood, IN

#45 Jan 3, 2008
GiveBushtoIraq wrote:
Each of the fallen and maimed is a testament to the cost of Bush's lies and fabrication of facts in support of a war that has destabilized a region and validated extremist claims of imperialistic ambitions on the part of America. So how long does the US continue to police an Islamic culture and enforce the values of liberalism and democracy upon Iraq? How long does it take to build a culture that supports western values? Can the US force the "enlightenment" of Islam through occupation and military enforcement? If you think Iraq is like post-WWII Germany you need some serious education in the construction of good analogies.
Have you been paying attention to what's going on in Iraq, and current U.S. and coalition goals. We're simply working toward a stable Iraq that can police itself, doesn't have major internal struggles, and is capable of defending itself from Iran, etc. A liberal secular society isn't on the radar screen currently. We were pretty well disabused of that notion at the executive level probably since 2005.

Since: Dec 06

Greenwood, IN

#46 Jan 3, 2008
We deserve it wrote:
Point blank, when will this war end?
When Iraq is stable enough to defend itself internally and externally without our direct involvement.

“I love me some stupid people!”

Since: Dec 07

Lil' Bus, IN

#47 Jan 3, 2008
Realitybites wrote:
The Star should be ashamed of itself for banging the drum of ignorant, blind patriotism. What's esepcially sickening is yesterday's pitiful spectacle of knee-jerk patriotism and self-indulgent pride over the systematic abuse of these weekend warriors by their incompetent "leaders" Hoosiers, WISEN UP! Your loved ones are being sent on a fool's errand by a totally inept, incompetent, delusional, and corrupt "Commander-in-Chief" and his rich, heartless cronies. Iraq has been, is, and always will be "Bush's Folly." It's now a horrendously costly side-show in a bogus "war" on terror. Your loved ones are off to do absolutely nothing to make America even one bit safer in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and at a cost that is bankrupting our own country morally and economicially. The real fight, that Bush and other dumb, chicken-hawk rich men ran away from to glorify themselves in Iraq, is in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is where we are now utterly losing the so-called "war" on terror. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda loathed Saddam Hussein and all he stood for. Our hapless troops and your hapless loved ones are now being shoved into the middle of a civil war liberated, created, and ruinoulsy stoked by the Bush administration. Whatever sacrifices they may make will in no way, shape or form make anyone here at home any safer at all. Indeed, by now becoming part of the problem rather than part of the solution, your hapless, ignorant, and ill-informed loved ones will only make the situation worse. The Iraq disaster is costing our country 1.2 billion dollars *a week* to fight. Money that would be infinitely better spent right here at home where poverty rates, especially among weekend warriors, are going up and up. And remember, all the money we are wasting to put your loved ones needlessly in harm's way is money that we are borrowing (largely from the Chinese). There is absolutely no reason why anyone here at home should be supporting so watesful and so foolish a crusade as this one. Soldiers! Refuse to go, refuse to fight and die for fools. You are being treated like the poor, dumb servants that these incompetent rich men have always relied upon to clean up after them. Have the courage, once in Bush's Folly, to tell everyone how useless, pointless, and wasteful your deployment really is! Speak up so that one day your own children won't be similarly abused by America's wealthiest and dumbest bufoons.
Hey there pusnuts the weekend warriors are volunteers who draw there own fate by enlisting. It doesn't matter who is the commander in Chief is you are an idiot for bashing the troops. I hope you sleep well at night knowing that all the people you are bashing are keeping yuo safe as you sleep tight in your bed each and every night.
newsflash

Indianapolis, IN

#48 Jan 3, 2008
A Big Draft wrote:
My prayers are these men and women.
That said, this is nothing but one giant "draft". Where else can the army get 3,400 men and women for this "war" at one time?
They are off for several weeks of "training" ( sounds like the "basic training" of olden yrs ?)), and then off to Iraq.
Instead of a big "dome" send off, there should have been protests in the street to end the idiocy of this mess in Iraq. We don't need to be sending more people to Iraq. We need to be drawing down the troops.
Not sure if you're aware of this, but the Indiana Army National Guard is comprised of men and women who volunteer. They weren't drafted, they signed their names on a dotted line under their own volition.

And the training they completed? Also not sure if you're aware of this, but all armed forces go into 'basic training'. Its the basic training skills they'll need to serve. They typically go AFTER they volunteer.

The various training periods were new this time around. The deployment period is 12 months this time, instead of 18 months. So these 2 and 3 week training periods every month were in lieu of that. Sure, its flawed, but it was a new idea, and they'll never know what works until they try it.

The dome send-off was impersonal and a chance for various politicos to say their piece. The idea of having a public state send-off was correct - it was for the morale of the men and women.

However, there should NEVER be protests when men and women are going to lay their lives down. There should be people turned out en masse to support them.
A human

Virginia Beach, VA

#49 Jan 3, 2008
You consider it crap? This is reality. Let's face it. Those innocent Iraqis will never get justice. But ignoring this fact is COMPLETE ignorance. Don't be ignorant.
Captain Tony wrote:
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Why do you feel the need to bring up this crap?
seriously

Indianapolis, IN

#50 Jan 3, 2008
A Big Draft wrote:
My prayers are these men and women...
Instead of a big "dome" send off, there should have been protests in the street to end the idiocy of this mess in Iraq. We don't need to be sending more people to Iraq. We need to be drawing down the troops.
Yes, nothing conveys your prayers more than your wanting to protest. Those soldiers are saying painful goodbyes to their families for a year, and you want to stand outside and protest because they're doing their jobs.
empathy

New Palestine, IN

#51 Jan 3, 2008
A Big Draft wrote:
Instead of a big "dome" send off, there should have been protests in the street to end the idiocy of this mess in Iraq. We don't need to be sending more people to Iraq. We need to be drawing down the troops.
ExxonMobil Haliburton and the Bush family would disagree.

Since: Dec 06

Greenwood, IN

#52 Jan 3, 2008
A Big Draft wrote:
My prayers are these men and women.
That said, this is nothing but one giant "draft". Where else can the army get 3,400 men and women for this "war" at one time?
They are off for several weeks of "training" ( sounds like the "basic training" of olden yrs ?)), and then off to Iraq.
Instead of a big "dome" send off, there should have been protests in the street to end the idiocy of this mess in Iraq. We don't need to be sending more people to Iraq. We need to be drawing down the troops.
This is hardly "basic training." Besides, every one of our troops has done that prior to coming into the 76th. We spent several long weeks doing individual task training, like weapons firing, first aid, etc. The period at Fort Stewart is aimed at training units collectively to act together. I can't go into details, but it's an intensive several weeks. One in the know likened the first couple of weeks as being akin to "using your 'sack' as a speedbag."
Dick the Bruiser

Indianapolis, IN

#53 Jan 3, 2008
We deserve it wrote:
Point blank, when will this war end?
Who am I, Carnac the Magnificent?
Dick the Bruiser

Indianapolis, IN

#54 Jan 3, 2008
This was a grand and fitting send-off for people who volunteered to put themselves in harm's way to serve our country.
They didn't create the current policy but, having chosen to serve, will carry out the duties assigned them.
It's called civilian control of foreign policy and the armed forces. If you don't like the civilians who created the policy, vote 'em out.
But raging against these brave people and their families and those who chose to honor them in this way only shows the rest of us how small you really are.
jim

United States

#55 Jan 3, 2008
Craig wrote:
Why is the deployment of this unit so worthy of front page coverage when others have also left for Iraq? Because they didn't have a grand sendoff from the Dome. Is their sacrifice less important to the Star?
Also the Star continues to beat the drum of false information reporting that this is some noble cause to defend America. It is not.
Yes, these soldiers are brave but do they really have a choice of going? What options to they have? And war mongers like the Star continue to insist this is a fight for democracy. This is George Bush's immoral war based on information this administration knew was false. Yet we continue to "support the troops" by sending them into harm's way.
Your coverage of pro war sensation is immoral itself. Bring the troops home, NOW!
Because the dome will hold more people moron; 3400 troops and relatives. I won't resond further to your anti-American diatribe.
jim

United States

#56 Jan 3, 2008
Marty wrote:
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Not to hear the Bush administration tell us. Anyone who dares criticise BushCO is considered a traitor and opens themselves up to illegal wire taps and anything else the BushCO people want to do.
But I tell you what. Why don't you lock and load, go over there and protect our freedoms by putting your ass on the line?
It's a volounteer army Marty, why don't you join up instead of picking on a soldier's mom. Are you and Craig brothers?
jim

United States

#57 Jan 3, 2008
Marty wrote:
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What exactly is the job they are suppose to do? God bless? If there was really a god then there would never have been a need for an Iraq war now would there?
God blesses us with free will and the ability to act in a Christian manner or not. Maybe you should read the bible a bit; the history lesson there may help you understand. By the way, God loves you too!
jim

United States

#58 Jan 3, 2008
Doris wrote:
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So typical of a Bush apologist, pro war monger. Anyone who dares voice opposition to the great dictator George Bush is consider anti-American. Why is it that all these pro war people are safe at home while others do the fighting and dying. Because they are cowards!
where are you Doris?
Andy

United States

#59 Jan 3, 2008
Thanks for covering the departure of not only my brother but many of my friends in the 76 Inf. Brigade Combat Team. By publicizing their sacrifice you have helped the soldiers, family members, and friends cope with this difficult time. Thanks for giving a voice to our country’s true heroes. Please continue this positive reporting!
COME ON

Canaan, IN

#60 Jan 3, 2008
this is a disgrace, we need to stay home where we belong.....yes we should have been protesting and my son in law is one that just went for the second time leaving my daughter and his 2 kids.....on the money we are spending on a useless war we could have free health care, less taxes, upgrade our joke of a court system and buy everyone in the usa a new house are you kidding .....we never learn our lessons ..keep the national guard at home trying to keep the creeps out not sticking our noses in as we always do in some other country .........and for WHAT freedom that is a joke .......and yes it is his fault ...he signed on the line giving our government control of his life and his families and they are who i feel bad..... for not the people who enlist ......he should have gotten out when he could.... pay check or not he has a REAL job or will he when he gets back for the second time .......what a joke... political bull ......proud i would have been proud if they would all have protested and said we are not going
Julie Fields

Cookeville, TN

#61 Jan 3, 2008
Greetings from Tennessee, My eldest Grandson was among those deployed yesterday. His Mum, Dad, Wife and two daughters (5 and 1) were all there at the Dome. This will be his second stint having served in Boznia, and his wife served in Iraq for a year also. We can't begin to thank these dedicated soldiers enough. Good luck Stevie, God go with you all.
Dick the Bruiser

Indianapolis, IN

#62 Jan 3, 2008
COME ON wrote:
this is a disgrace, we need to stay home where we belong.....yes we should have been protesting and my son in law is one that just went for the second time leaving my daughter and his 2 kids.....on the money we are spending on a useless war we could have free health care, less taxes, upgrade our joke of a court system and buy everyone in the usa a new house are you kidding .....we never learn our lessons ..keep the national guard at home trying to keep the creeps out not sticking our noses in as we always do in some other country .........and for WHAT freedom that is a joke .......and yes it is his fault ...he signed on the line giving our government control of his life and his families and they are who i feel bad..... for not the people who enlist ......he should have gotten out when he could.... pay check or not he has a REAL job or will he when he gets back for the second time .......what a joke... political bull ......proud i would have been proud if they would all have protested and said we are not going
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