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Daniels says I-69 south could include tolls

There are 75 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 26, 2007, titled Daniels says I-69 south could include tolls. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Gov. Mitch Daniels said today the state may have to turn to traditional funding --- state and federal gas tax revenues --- in order to complete the 142-mile Interstate 69 extension between Indianapolis and ...

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pacers101

Independence, KY

#67 Mar 26, 2007
boss wrote:
If Daniels had any sense we'd upgrade 70 and 41. Instead of wasting hundred of millions of dollars, forfeiting more valuable farmland we could have a very good route from Indy to Evansville for a fraction of the cost. This has nothing to do with travel, this has to do with money...getting it and spending it. It's about the dumbest idea this state has ever come up with
since your from whiteland, your house is probably on what was once valuable farmland. but I guess thats ok huh. this highway will make some of the poorest counties in the state accessable to the rest of the world, which hopefully will bring jobs to the economy. but who cares about them right, because its not you who only brings in $16k a year(per capita for most of the counties in this area, and the counties average between 9 to 13% who live below the povertry line, compared to $22k and 5.6% for johnson county)
darren

Glendale, AZ

#68 Mar 26, 2007
boss wrote:
If Daniels had any sense we'd upgrade 70 and 41. Instead of wasting hundred of millions of dollars, forfeiting more valuable farmland we could have a very good route from Indy to Evansville for a fraction of the cost. This has nothing to do with travel, this has to do with money...getting it and spending it. It's about the dumbest idea this state has ever come up with
And if YOU had any sense you would know that any interstate being built in SW Indiana is a good thing!

Interstates means more traffic, more traffic means more people, more people means more $$, more $$ means investment and jobs, more investment and jobs means people are better off!!

Got it?

If you had 'yer way, people from Bloomington, Bedford or Loogootee would have to go out there way to 41 to get to Evansville.

Start thinking outside the box and stop using 'yer head for a hatrack!

neanderthal dummy
Westy

Bringhurst, IN

#69 Mar 26, 2007
Do interstate highways create prosperity?
According to the Federal Highway Administration Indiana ranks 8th highest among all states in interstate highway miles, and 4th in interstate highway density (total land/interstate highway miles.

According to the US Census Bureau, Indiana is 32nd in median household income among all states.
Mike

United States

#70 Mar 26, 2007
Ten years from now all the obstuctionist that run this state will be whishing we had built the bypass of indy!!!!!
Uhhh Say what

Crystal Lake, IL

#71 Mar 26, 2007
i have a clue wrote:
it is painfully obvious that the majority of people dont have a clue as to what goes on and what is needed outside of indianapolis there is a very large employer called crane in sw indiana look it up sometime and maybe you will see how important this pace is i69 is needed the majority of people in indy are ignorant and selfish
You need to get a clue about the proper use of capitals and punctuation. We might consider your opinions if you could state them clearly.
darren

Glendale, AZ

#72 Mar 26, 2007
Westy wrote:
Do interstate highways create prosperity?
According to the Federal Highway Administration Indiana ranks 8th highest among all states in interstate highway miles, and 4th in interstate highway density (total land/interstate highway miles.
According to the US Census Bureau, Indiana is 32nd in median household income among all states.
Yes, because they ship goods thru the area and it creates commerce and jobs and $$. Did you not read my psosts. hello?

You may want to recheck 'yer cute lil stats, buddy boy. I think 'yer looking at PERSONAL median income. Try looking at household income, it's more accurate. The rank increases.

'yer not as smart as you think.
darren

Glendale, AZ

#73 Mar 26, 2007
Westy wrote:
Do interstate highways create prosperity?
According to the Federal Highway Administration Indiana ranks 8th highest among all states in interstate highway miles, and 4th in interstate highway density (total land/interstate highway miles.
According to the US Census Bureau, Indiana is 32nd in median household income among all states.
And if New Jersey is the highest in income, why is it such a crappy state? Almost the entire state is nothin but garbage dumps, power plants and shipyards!!!
Freddy

Indianapolis, IN

#74 Mar 26, 2007
Really wrote:
We don't need it built.
We don't want another toll road.
It's nice of you to make that judgment from all the way up in Madison, Wisconsin. Try living and driving in the SW Indiana area then come back and tell us if you still have that opinion. That is of course, if you leave through being run off the road semi after semi traversing narrow roads in SW Indiana because there is no decent interstate down there.
Freddy

Indianapolis, IN

#75 Mar 26, 2007
boss wrote:
If Daniels had any sense we'd upgrade 70 and 41. Instead of wasting hundred of millions of dollars, forfeiting more valuable farmland we could have a very good route from Indy to Evansville for a fraction of the cost. This has nothing to do with travel, this has to do with money...getting it and spending it. It's about the dumbest idea this state has ever come up with
The upgrade of I-70 and US 41, instead of building the I-69 extension, is the silliest idea that's ever come down the pike. Can you read a map? Terre Haute is not remotely on the way from Indianapolis to Evansville. I've been every route imaginable driving from Indy to Evansville. The route through Terre Haute is about half hour longer and 40-50 miles longer than the more direct routes.

And that's not to mention the fact that such an upgrade would do nothing for the many poor communities in SW Indiana that aren't even close to I-70 or U.S. 41. It's a bad, bad idea, much more of a boondoggle than I-69 could ever be.
Michael Reid

Indianapolis, IN

#76 Mar 26, 2007
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE MONEY FROM THE BIG SALE OF THE TOLL ROAD. WAS IT NOT MEANT TO FUND THE I-69 EXTENSION. IF THE MONEY IS GONE THEN WHAT OVERSIGHT IS THERE AND WHERE WAS ALL THE MONEY SPENT.
darren

Glendale, AZ

#77 Mar 26, 2007
I dont care what the stone age neanderthals in Indiana think and its dum legislature:

I want the Indianapolis area totally developed from Danville in the west to Greenfield in the east and Franklin in the south to Cicero or Anderson in the north.

I want I-69 extended to 8 lanes (4 in each direcion) from 465 to Anderson.

I want lightrail.

I want improved service to IndyGo.

I want the Illiana Expressway.

I want the Commerce Connector or another loop around Indianapolis (like even th smaller San Antonio MSA has)

I want the I-69 extension to Evansville (toll or not).

I want ALL those tings and I want them now.
darren

Glendale, AZ

#78 Mar 26, 2007
I dont care what the stone age neanderthals in Indiana think and its dum legislature:

I want the Indianapolis area totally developed from Danville in the west to Greenfield in the east and Franklin in the south to Cicero or Anderson in the north.

I want Greenwood to annex all of White River and Pleasant Townships.

I want Carmel to annex Home Place and all of Clay Township.

I want I-69 extended to 8 lanes (4 in each direcion) from 465 to Anderson.

I want lightrail.

I want improved service to IndyGo.

I want the Illiana Expressway.

I want the Commerce Connector or another loop around Indianapolis (like even th smaller San Antonio MSA has)

I want the I-69 extension to Evansville (toll or not).

I want ALL those things and I want them now.
Racoon

United States

#79 Mar 27, 2007
Hey darren: perhaps because you're out there in Phoenix, you haven't heard that Toyota builds Tundras in Princeton, IN, Subarus are built in Lafayette and Hondas will be produced in Greensburg. Does that prove you're correct that the auto industry is in decline?

Kentucky, Ohio and Michigan all have major auto plants that Indiana parts manufacturers can and do supply. Those states, like Indiana is now, all observe Eastern time.

You ask what does the auto industry have to do with time.

Do you not grasp that all manufacturing consumes time?(You can't snap your fingers and -poof- there's a new car.) And do you not grasp that parts must move to assembly plants? And that it's actually advantageous 1) to minimize on-hand inventory and 2) utilize suppliers within a short distance (~1 hour) of the production facility? And that this means that any 'time warp' that eats away at the edges of the time window in which those suppliers and their supply lines to assembly plants can be productive & dependable is to be avoided, as it imposes unnecessary costs?(If you don't get that, ask yourself why Chicago's 'commute-shed' is all on the same time. People traveling to work places constitute a supply line. It's advantageous that those supply lines are on the same clock.)

So, next time, think before you leap into the void that is your grasp of the real world around you. All yo do is embarass yourself.

I can't offer any comment on Eli Lilly or USX in Gary. I don't see they have any connection to my comments.
Racoon

United States

#80 Mar 27, 2007
Westy wrote:
Do interstate highways create prosperity?
No, they enable economic growth. Other things, like markets, laws & regulations, investment capital and human capital will combine with transportation capabilities to propel the growth roadways enable.

Interstates provide a vast increase in the accessibility of land they pass -- permitting those lands to host more productive economic uses than farmland or forest. They provide better accessibility between metropolitan areas, which enables greater trade between those areas. They make the places they serve more competitive in delivering their goods (and the people who make them) to markets far and wide. They help integrate economies.

Don't hide behind too-cute slogans and sophistry, Westy.

Take the highway away from your father's rural farm community and ask what that would do to the value of his family's crop. Indeed, would there even *be* a crop? Or even your father's family?
a

United States

#81 May 10, 2014
Tolls suck

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