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Gimme a break

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Nov 6, 2013
Once again S T N

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#22 Nov 6, 2013
How is it going since you took God out of schools and government?
talking point

Indianapolis, IN

#23 Nov 6, 2013
DavidM wrote:
How is it going since you took God out of schools and government?
How's it going there in the land of "only able to use talking points"? How's it going still confusing correlation with causation? How's it going there where no one's able to understand that the government - of which public schools are a part - has to simply stay NEUTRAL in matters of religion, and that the only way to do that effectively is to stay out of religion entirely? Is it unclear that 1) treating all citizens equally, and 2) allowing public (tax-funded) organizations to favor one religion over others, or religion in general over neutrality, are simply incompatible?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#24 Nov 6, 2013
Gimme a break wrote:
Once again S T N
If that is really how you feel, well, get some help. Having an opinion is one thing, but mentioning the words you do are hateful.

Since: Aug 12

Indianapolis, IN

#25 Nov 6, 2013
Duchess 29631 wrote:
Why do you suppose that is? That the USA has such a high rate of incarceration? Is it drugs? Lack of education? The lure of easy money? Lack of proper adult supervision? What is fueling the "thug" mentality?
The biggest factor contributing to the high crime rate is poverty. Poverty leads people to drugs, and drugs lead people to crime. There are other significant factors including inadequate parenting and a drastic reduction in the number of entry level jobs that pay a living wage.

We have millions of people who have no home training, easy access to hardcore drugs, and no way to pay for those drugs other than to break the law. That is a scenario which predictably puts people on a one way track to the state penitentiary.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#26 Nov 6, 2013
Treating all citizens equally? Many schools have tried to ban even Christmas songs that center around Jesus. Is that treating Christians equally? Even the name Jesus has been ban from some government Statehouses. The name Jesus has become a dirty word in some schools. That is treating ALL citizens equally? Even a federal appeals court ruling that held that the predominantly Christian prayers at the start of commission meetings violated the First Amendmentís alleged ban on government endorsement of a particular religion. Since this all started, it has gotten worst and worst so I guess you will have to live with the generations that are growing up learning "Jesus" is a dirty word. You reap what you sew. Good luck.
talking point wrote:
<quoted text>
How's it going there in the land of "only able to use talking points"? How's it going still confusing correlation with causation? How's it going there where no one's able to understand that the government - of which public schools are a part - has to simply stay NEUTRAL in matters of religion, and that the only way to do that effectively is to stay out of religion entirely? Is it unclear that 1) treating all citizens equally, and 2) allowing public (tax-funded) organizations to favor one religion over others, or religion in general over neutrality, are simply incompatible?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#27 Nov 6, 2013
You are correct. The majority of these people have no basic skills. They wouldn't even be able to fill out an application for a job. But I little doubt they would even work an entry level job if they were able. It's all about "the get". Getting the most, the best and biggest without having to work for it. Just steal it. It's easier. And the consequences, well, who cares? They will have a roof over their head, be fed, medical attention. And be out in no time, only to repeat. The thug mentality. Rob, jail repeat til you die.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#28 Nov 6, 2013
Duchess, We have raised kids that have found out that they do not have to work for a living. Some feed off of family. Others feed of the government. Why should I go to work when I can get food stamps and a place to live? I can lay around and play video games all day. I am sure I can find someone to share drugs with me. Or today I will just find some female that works and live off of her as many do today. There are many ways to make it without having to punch that old clock everyday. Besides, If I get a check and find out that I can live better without working, why should I work?
Duchess 29631 wrote:
You are correct. The majority of these people have no basic skills. They wouldn't even be able to fill out an application for a job. But I little doubt they would even work an entry level job if they were able. It's all about "the get". Getting the most, the best and biggest without having to work for it. Just steal it. It's easier. And the consequences, well, who cares? They will have a roof over their head, be fed, medical attention. And be out in no time, only to repeat. The thug mentality. Rob, jail repeat til you die.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#29 Nov 6, 2013
You are correct David. What a mess. My parents kicked my butt all the way to college. I thank God every single day they did. Not going was not an option. Actually, I didn't have too many options while under their roof. I was afraid of my parents. They put the fear of God in me. Guess some of this has been lost in kids today.
Happy

Indianapolis, IN

#30 Nov 6, 2013
Who took God out of schools? I was just there and he is still there. Maybe you kicked God out of yourself. God is still everywhere I go. I pray anywhere and everywhere I go. So what you David and Duchess is that you are Godless. Which I already know. Stay off those illegal drugs and maybe your minds would not be so clouded.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#31 Nov 6, 2013
There is a lot that plays into this attitude.

First is the family. Look how many families today are missing the Dad. There are women out there that have two or three different baby fathers. Both adults are at fault. To many women will have sex before really getting to know the man. If a guy is going out to look for some, it is not hard to find.

The adults are to busy today with both parents working. Ship the kids off to day care. Let someone else look after them.

Kids have to make their own choices today. When I was growing up, my parents was telling me what to do at 19.

Look at the number of kids that are in the streets at the age of 14,15,16 years old. Look at the crimes that they are doing. It gets younger and younger. Even for Murder.

I still say that it all started when we took God out of public schools. There is no "fear of God" today.
Duchess 29631 wrote:
You are correct David. What a mess. My parents kicked my butt all the way to college. I thank God every single day they did. Not going was not an option. Actually, I didn't have too many options while under their roof. I was afraid of my parents. They put the fear of God in me. Guess some of this has been lost in kids today.
Lets Go There

Anderson, IN

#32 Nov 6, 2013
How come the most hateful people are always demanding of everyone to acquiesce to THEIR version of GOD/RELIGION?

Why are religious zealots so full of hate?

Duchess and David are just two examples.
whatever again

Indianapolis, IN

#33 Nov 6, 2013
DavidM wrote:
Treating all citizens equally? Many schools have tried to ban even Christmas songs that center around Jesus. Is that treating Christians equally? Even the name Jesus has been ban from some government Statehouses. The name Jesus has become a dirty word in some schools. That is treating ALL citizens equally? Even a federal appeals court ruling that held that the predominantly Christian prayers at the start of commission meetings violated the First Amendmentís alleged ban on government endorsement of a particular religion. Since this all started, it has gotten worst and worst so I guess you will have to live with the generations that are growing up learning "Jesus" is a dirty word. You reap what you sew. Good luck.
<quoted text>
Show me one of those public schools where there are teacher-led prayers/signs/etc. specific to any religion other than Christianity. Yes, it is part of treating everyone equally, because "Jesus" is specific to Christianity, and anyone trying to use any other religion-specific deity or icon in the same way would get denied equally. This really doesn't take genius-level IQ to figure out.
Back to the context of public meetings, another example in the news lately. The law has given flexibility for prayer at government functions a long time. The USSC says it should not be the government's job to parse out prayers, to make any judgment based on the _content_ of prayers (such as those at statehouse functions, etc) as to which ones are allowably secular and non-specific and which ones go over the line and stray into being too specific to one particular religion. So there's been leeway for public functions to start off with non-denominational prayers. There have been some locales that, for a while, were decent about allowing clergy from a wide variety of religions to take turns, so no one is favored. But this usually only lasts so long, because the Christian majorities stop behaving themselves and start ignoring the idea of staying neutral. So they have to get reminded to behave. Again and again. This treatment of Christians you perceive as so unequal is just that application of discipline, of reminding Christians that everyone else IS equal. No one else is getting slapped with that reminder because apparently, they're better behaved in the first place.
Happy

Indianapolis, IN

#34 Nov 6, 2013
Pontificating wrote:
<quoted text>
The biggest factor contributing to the high crime rate is poverty. Poverty leads people to drugs, and drugs lead people to crime. There are other significant factors including inadequate parenting and a drastic reduction in the number of entry level jobs that pay a living wage.
We have millions of people who have no home training, easy access to hardcore drugs, and no way to pay for those drugs other than to break the law. That is a scenario which predictably puts people on a one way track to the state penitentiary.
I agree whole heartily. It's easy to say well they took God out of schools. NO ONE TOOK GOD OUT OF SCHOOLS. God does not inhabit buildings made my man. The problem is you have people like Duchess and David who have not studied the bible and just go by what republicans and some preachers who are misleading say. Again who to God out of schools?
What Is Your Position

Anderson, IN

#35 Nov 6, 2013
DavidM wrote:
There is a lot that plays into this attitude.
First is the family. Look how many families today are missing the Dad. There are women out there that have two or three different baby fathers. Both adults are at fault. To many women will have sex before really getting to know the man. If a guy is going out to look for some, it is not hard to find.
The adults are to busy today with both parents working. Ship the kids off to day care. Let someone else look after them.
Kids have to make their own choices today. When I was growing up, my parents was telling me what to do at 19.
Look at the number of kids that are in the streets at the age of 14,15,16 years old. Look at the crimes that they are doing. It gets younger and younger. Even for Murder.
I still say that it all started when we took God out of public schools. There is no "fear of God" today.
<quoted text>
So,you've only had sex with the same woman for your entire life? Lemme guess,the two of you waited until marriage and you've been married your entire adult life to this very same woman,correct? No divorce in your history,correct?

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#36 Nov 6, 2013
I seems that we have to cater to people are not of the Christian faith. As much as 80% of the people in the United States call themselves Christians. Myself, I have no problem if a Rabbi opens the meetings or anyone of any other faith that follows God the way they believe.

If leave God out of it, then we might as well pray to the trees.

I have no problem with different types of regions are taught. As long as if anybody objects that they do not have to take part in it.

whatever again wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me one of those public schools where there are teacher-led prayers/signs/etc. specific to any religion other than Christianity. Yes, it is part of treating everyone equally, because "Jesus" is specific to Christianity, and anyone trying to use any other religion-specific deity or icon in the same way would get denied equally. This really doesn't take genius-level IQ to figure out.
Back to the context of public meetings, another example in the news lately. The law has given flexibility for prayer at government functions a long time. The USSC says it should not be the government's job to parse out prayers, to make any judgment based on the _content_ of prayers (such as those at statehouse functions, etc) as to which ones are allowably secular and non-specific and which ones go over the line and stray into being too specific to one particular religion. So there's been leeway for public functions to start off with non-denominational prayers. There have been some locales that, for a while, were decent about allowing clergy from a wide variety of religions to take turns, so no one is favored. But this usually only lasts so long, because the Christian majorities stop behaving themselves and start ignoring the idea of staying neutral. So they have to get reminded to behave. Again and again. This treatment of Christians you perceive as so unequal is just that application of discipline, of reminding Christians that everyone else IS equal. No one else is getting slapped with that reminder because apparently, they're better behaved in the first place.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#37 Nov 6, 2013
Now that one made me laugh.
What Is Your Position wrote:
<quoted text>
So,you've only had sex with the same woman for your entire life? Lemme guess,the two of you waited until marriage and you've been married your entire adult life to this very same woman,correct? No divorce in your history,correct?
Andrew

Indianapolis, IN

#38 Nov 6, 2013
Happy wrote:
<quoted text>I agree whole heartily. It's easy to say well they took God out of schools. NO ONE TOOK GOD OUT OF SCHOOLS. God does not inhabit buildings made my man. The problem is you have people like Duchess and David who have not studied the bible and just go by what republicans and some preachers who are misleading say. Again who to God out of schools?
No one took God out of the schools. It's just David trying to teach us something that he don't know what he is talking about again. He is doing to many illegal drugs and is just confused.
Linda Bledsoe

United States

#39 Nov 6, 2013
Pontificating wrote:
<quoted text>
The biggest factor contributing to the high crime rate is poverty. Poverty leads people to drugs, and drugs lead people to crime.
I wonder why this is more of an issue in the US than in other countries. Every single civilization in every country has poverty issues, but they often don't have the significant violent crime that seems to go along with it here. It is a culture issue more than just a poverty issue. It is a lifestyle choice to be a criminal. In the US the major difference is urban black people. There are rural areas with citizens as poor as dirt, but rarely do you hear of rapes, beatings, murders, and robberies in these areas. It happens, but not often. They still do drugs, but they do not commit nearly the amount of violent crime. The reason? Different culture. The culture needs to change. Poverty is just a piss-poor excuse that allows apologists to ignore reality.
What Is Your Position

Anderson, IN

#40 Nov 6, 2013
DavidM wrote:
Now that one made me laugh.
<quoted text>
I assume you've done your part to increase the number of single-parent households? The very same type of households you decry on this very forum. Am I correct?

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