Keeping gay marriage out of voters' hand

Keeping gay marriage out of voters' hand

There are 3934 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 4, 2008, titled Keeping gay marriage out of voters' hand. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

On Feb. 15, Rep. Scott Pelath, D-Michigan, decided to not hear Senate Joint Resolution 7, legislation that included the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

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No Bee for Me

Cincinnati, OH

#1 Mar 4, 2008
Well I won't be patronizing Bee Windows now that I know how Pam feels about the gays!

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#2 Mar 4, 2008
Aren't the legislators supposed to BEE the voice of the people? Isn't that why everyone is ranting about keeping these decisions out of the courts?
Liberal Tammy

Carmel, IN

#3 Mar 4, 2008
You see, that's what liberals do. They WILL NOT allow the common peasants to decide for themselves. They RULE you and make your decisions for you because they are the ruling class and you are the working class. In other words they are telling you, "you are not intellingent enough to make such important decisions, we will decide for you."
RBW

Lafayette, IN

#4 Mar 4, 2008
Five stars for Rep. Pelath for protecting the rights of a minority group. Had the abolition of slavery,women's right to vote, civil rights, and many other issues been put to a vote of the people, slavery would still exist, women would have no rights, and Jim Crow laws would still be in effect. In fact, had the Declaration of Independence been put to a vote of the people we might still be a colony of Britian.
WOW

Duncan, OK

#6 Mar 4, 2008
You know, there are more important things facing Hoosiers and Rep. Pelath did the wise thing by not bringing in a hot topic issue when the rest of the House and Senate need to be focusing on things that will actually make a difference in the lives of all Hoosiers.
WOW

Duncan, OK

#7 Mar 4, 2008
Gay Mom wrote:
Aren't the legislators supposed to BEE the voice of the people? Isn't that why everyone is ranting about keeping these decisions out of the courts?
It won't matter. California is an example. The courts ruled to allow Gay Marriage.(Select) people and the Gov'er said it should be the legislation representing the people's decision, so the legislation allowed it and Arnold vetoed it, then the people allowed it but he still vetoed it. So it doesn't matter, the power is in the hand of the King's of this country and states, not the peon's that pay their dues.
Average Near Eastside Guy

AOL

#8 Mar 4, 2008
Pam, You do not live in Rep Pelath's district. No one outside his district should have a say in whether or not he keeps his job there.
That is the fact.
Next, the people do not have the right to vote on every issue they want. That is why we have representatives. They vote.
Letting the voters decide the rights of a minority is NOT majority rule.. its MOB RULE. Our representatives are the voice of the few as well as the many. Have you learned nothing?
Remember Dear Lady, if it weren't for those renegade liberal ideas challenging the status quo, you would not have the say in anything. If it had gone to a vote of the people, and at that time only white men could vote, women's suffrage would have surely failed. It is only now, after generations have gone by, do we fully understand.
THE RIGHTS OF A MINORITY HAVE NEVER BEEN ACHIEVED THROUGH A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. EVERY CIVIL RIGHTS ADVANCE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED BY A FEW SELECT PROGRESSIVE VOICES, STANDING UP FOR THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES.
PEOLE ARE INHERINTLY BIAS, AND FEAR WHAT THEY ARE UNFAMILLIAR WITH. VOTING WHILE FEARFUL IS NOT WHAT INTELLIGENT PEOPLE DO.
Come on Pam. Study your history. Gay marriage will happen. its just a matter of when. Constitutional amendment or not. History has proven and our Federal Constitution demands it.
And once its all said and done.. you'll have to look around... see how your life is different... and wonder what all the fuss was about.
Let it go Pam. Let it go.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#9 Mar 4, 2008
Gee, I wonder just which of Ms. Faerber's civil rights would she be willing to put up for a public vote? She seems rather willing to subject others to the possible tyranny of the majority, how about herself? Should the voters of Indiana be able to determine her right to marry? How about her freedom of religion or speech?

If you really do not approve of gays and lesbians marrying, your solution is pretty simple, don't marry one. Why people are so heck bent on depriving other couples the same rights, benefits and protections that they take for granted is beyond me. I know, I know, your religion doesn't approve of it and it offends your sensibilities and a thousand and one other excuses. Well, the reality is that there are marriages performed everyday that would never be permitted in your church and probably others that would offend your sensitive sensibilities but since they are between a man and a woman you don't think about them. So why do people get so bent out of shape when it comes to the thought of two men or two women committing to spend their lives together?

People who agree with Ms Faerber's opinion should be asking themselves these two questions. Why should your personal bigotry be enshrined in your state's constitution and which of your rights would you feel comfortable in risking to somebody else's?
maury

Waukegan, IL

#10 Mar 4, 2008
Liberal Tammy wrote:
You see, that's what liberals do. They WILL NOT allow the common peasants to decide for themselves. They RULE you and make your decisions for you because they are the ruling class and you are the working class. In other words they are telling you, "you are not intellingent enough to make such important decisions, we will decide for you."
That's because we live in a Republic and chose them to make these decisions for us, dumba**! Ever heard of the Electoral College?
billy

Waukegan, IL

#11 Mar 4, 2008
Thank goodness for the Dems!! Glad to know some folks in Indiana still have common sense and try to do what's right by all people and not just the ingnorant, fear-mongering majority.
Hugh Williamson

Aurora, IL

#12 Mar 4, 2008
Liberal Tammy wrote:
You see, that's what liberals do. They WILL NOT allow the common peasants to decide for themselves. They RULE you and make your decisions for you because they are the ruling class and you are the working class. In other words they are telling you, "you are not intellingent enough to make such important decisions, we will decide for you."
We don't live in a democracy. It is not for the people to directly decide. The Founders referred to that as Tyranny by the Majority.

You say that liberal lawmakers are trying to make our decisions for us yet you and your ilk want conservative lawmakers to make our decisions for us. You are nothing but a partisan hack and a perfect example of everything wrong in American politics and government. As long as your guy does it everything is fine. But if the other guy does it you attack. You are exactly like Pat Bauer.
Hugh Williamson

Aurora, IL

#13 Mar 4, 2008
maury wrote:
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That's because we live in a Republic and chose them to make these decisions for us, dumba**! Ever heard of the Electoral College?
What does the Electoral College have to do with anything other than the presidential election?
Echo

AOL

#14 Mar 4, 2008
Liberal Tammy wrote:
You see, that's what liberals do. They WILL NOT allow the common peasants to decide for themselves. They RULE you and make your decisions for you because they are the ruling class and you are the working class. In other words they are telling you, "you are not intellingent enough to make such important decisions, we will decide for you."
Obviously toilet training is still a failure for you.
Educated Voter

Glenwood, IN

#15 Mar 4, 2008
Amen. Sadly, this is politics as usual in Indiana (and likely elsewhere). Let's hope their constituents have had enough.
RICK C

United States

#16 Mar 4, 2008
No Bee for Me wrote:
Well I won't be patronizing Bee Windows now that I know how Pam feels about the gays!
I WILL BUY MY WINDOWS THERE.
HOW DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE, HOW SHE WOULD VOTE?

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#17 Mar 4, 2008
Liberal Tammy wrote:
You see, that's what liberals do. They WILL NOT allow the common peasants to decide for themselves. They RULE you and make your decisions for you because they are the ruling class and you are the working class. In other words they are telling you, "you are not intellingent enough to make such important decisions, we will decide for you."
I could just as well turn this around on conservatives. They want to CONTROL the minority which is a direct contriction to the 14 amendment. Why do conservatives feel they have the right to determine the rights of others when they themselves would not want anyone voting on their individual rights?

Your elected officials are not ruling you. You elected them to office because you thought they were the best to represent you. If you don't like who you put in office then the next election vote for someone else.

I do agree that most people know absolutely nothing about homosexuality except from stereotypes that they have heard. Would you want me to vote on your rights? I know nothing about you but based on your post I would have to say that perhaps a few rights could be denied you if I set my mind to it.
RICK C

United States

#18 Mar 4, 2008
Hugh Williamson wrote:
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We don't live in a democracy. It is not for the people to directly decide. The Founders referred to that as Tyranny by the Majority.
You say that liberal lawmakers are trying to make our decisions for us yet you and your ilk want conservative lawmakers to make our decisions for us. You are nothing but a partisan hack and a perfect example of everything wrong in American politics and government. As long as your guy does it everything is fine. But if the other guy does it you attack. You are exactly like Pat Bauer.
HUGH, I BELIEVE THE AMERICAN WAY, WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THE ISSUE. I THINK YOU MIGHT BE THE HACK HERE!
dan

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Mar 4, 2008
Liberal Tammy wrote:
You see, that's what liberals do. They WILL NOT allow the common peasants to decide for themselves. They RULE you and make your decisions for you because they are the ruling class and you are the working class. In other words they are telling you, "you are not intellingent enough to make such important decisions, we will decide for you."
Not that you're elitist in any way yourself.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/indianapoli...
Liberal Tammy wrote:
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All studies show that children do better in a 2 parent household with a mom and a dad. In homorelationships there is no mom and dad. I will not respond to anymore of your posts. All you can do is launch personal attacks. That is a sure sign you are a idiot. You can't beat someone in an intelligent debate so you launch stupid personal insults. People like you are beneath people like me. You may feel important spewing your stupid comments on the internet, but in real life you feel weak, dumb and impotent. You are from a much lower socio-economic class than I. In the real world (away from the internet) I don't talk to or even acknowledge people like you, so I will no longer do it on this post. People like you are beneath me and are the kind of people who mow my grass and carry my luggage when I travel.
Tammy, babe, your posts have always come across as very insensitive adn authoritarian, but it wasn't until reading THAT gem that I started categorizing you as simply one of the worst people I've ever run across on the internet.

I'm glad that most people on these forums seem to see your vitriol for what it is - and appropriately ignore your comments, but I just couldn't leave that one alone.
TONE IT DOWN

Milwaukee, WI

#21 Mar 4, 2008
RICK C wrote:
<quoted text>HUGH, I BELIEVE THE AMERICAN WAY, WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THE ISSUE. I THINK YOU MIGHT BE THE HACK HERE!
I promise, typing in all caps doesn't make you any smarter.
Randy

Columbus, OH

#22 Mar 4, 2008
I'll bet the Republicans would be singing a different song if the right to bear arms were to be put up for a vote.

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