Indianapolis leaders take stand against gay marriage ban

Nov 11, 2013 Full story: The Indianapolis Star 120

Indianapolis city leaders tonight will officially add their voices to the debate over Indiana's proposed same-sex marriage ban.

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“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#61 Nov 14, 2013
DavidM wrote:
Wrong again. It is not a sin to live together. It is a sin if you have sex. You don't know much about my operation so I understand.
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Well, I do and it is NOT a sin to live together OR to have sex.

God's law is to treat others as you would want to be treated. Violating this is a sin. Having sex, even if you aren't married is not a sin. Sexual harassment, rape, molesting a child, THESE are sins. A non-married couple, gay or straight, having consenting adult sex is NOT a sin at all.
Linda Bledsoe

United States

#62 Nov 14, 2013
So do the liberals hate Ballard less now?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#63 Nov 14, 2013
I wish some clergyman would test that law; no way it's constitutional.
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>You mean that law they passed back in the 90's that makes it possible to arrest a minister in Indiana for practicing his faith? Jail him for 3 months and fine him (or her)$1000?
And how come all you holy rollers are OK with the government going into a church and arresting it's pastor simply because that Church practices the Golden Rule better than you do?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#64 Nov 14, 2013
Except for a lobotomy, I don't know of any operation that prevents one from marrying. It's just a cheap excuse.
The Sanctity wrote:
<quoted text>
Granted,since the operation. But what about before? For someone that cares so much about marriage,you seem to take the cowardly way out when it comes to your relationship. Frankly,it appears you're using this woman's good intentions to care for you.
If marriage is such an important subject to you,why are you avoiding it? Too much responsibility?

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#65 Nov 14, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
I wish some clergyman would test that law; no way it's constitutional.
<quoted text>
I wish several CHURCHES would file class action lawsuits over this.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#66 Nov 14, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I wish several CHURCHES would file class action lawsuits over this.
That would be fun to watch, wouldn't it?

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#67 Nov 14, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be fun to watch, wouldn't it?
It would prove interesting. religious freedom vs. religious persecution!

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#68 Nov 16, 2013
Do they know who else pushed the though? Ben Hunter a republican. St least that what he ran as but have voted with the democrats 75% of the time.
Linda Bledsoe wrote:
So do the liberals hate Ballard less now?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#69 Nov 16, 2013
DavidM wrote:
Do they know who else pushed the though? Ben Hunter a republican. St least that what he ran as but have voted with the democrats 75% of the time. <quoted text>
The GOP is working hard to try to buy back moderates. They hope that they might even win over some conservative democrats.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#70 Nov 27, 2013
In the vein of moral relativism, the following major arguments can be made to support the legalization of plural marriage:

1. Polysexual/Polyamorous Orientation: According to the theory of Genetic Imperative, many men are biologically hardwired or oriented to feel attraction toward multiple women, yet social values and socialization pressures require men to repress expression of these innate impulses (this is true across all socioeconomic, ethnic and cultural groups). Since a predominant number of men have inborn sexual tendencies that are incompatible with a monogamous lifestyle, by no fault of their own, marriage ought to be progressively redefined as a socially approved relationship between an undefined number of consenting spouses.

2. Separation of Church and State: Many state marriage laws codify and uphold religious principles that unjustly and unconstitutionally force polysexuals to conform to non-secular tradition.

3. Consequential Neutrality: Permitting men to marry at least two wives (polygyny) or women to marry multiple husbands (polyandry) will not in any way infringe on monogamists’ right to marry only one spouse. Therefore, polygamy should be permitted because of its neutral consequence to other valid forms of marriage.

4. Consequentialism: Studies have shown that parental household income and parental involvement correlates positively with many lifelong success indicators. Since multiple-parent households have greater income potential and more parental time than monogamist parents, children raised by stable polygamist parents stand to be more educated, healthy, well-adjusted and productive as adults than their monogamist-raised counterparts. Considering the significant long-term social benefits of polygamous relationships, governments should not discriminatorily deny their citizens’ right to this equally valid lifestyle.


5. Anti-Christ Argument: Christians and biblical scholars acknowledge that the New Testament never explicitly condemns polygamy. Because Jesus never explicitly condemned polygamy, Christians are morally obliged to not pass judgment against their poloysexual brethren, and follow the Golden Rule by tolerating their imperative way of life just as Christians would want others to respect and tolerate their traditions and customs.

These five arguments are similar to the ones presently being used to redefine marriage, and with much proven success, they will undoubtedly be used to champion further alterations.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#71 Nov 27, 2013
Is Polygamy the next Frontier in the struggle for American “Equality”?

Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/open...

Excerpt: "With so many marriages ending in divorce -- oftentimes because of infidelity -- is polyamory the answer to all our divorce woes?

Jenny Block, author of Open: Love, Sex, and Life in an Open Marriage, thinks so.

'It’s becoming clear that heterosexual monogamous marriage simply doesn’t work for most people. And I think people are tired of being unhappy and dissatisfied,' she told the Daily Beast earlier this month.

'We cannot control our own desires and we certainly cannot control the desires of others,' said Block, who has been in an open marriage for the past 10 years.'You cannot tell someone,‘Don’t be attracted to anyone else. Don’t desire anyone else.’ You can say,‘If we’re going to be together, I want it to be monogamous.’ But you cannot control the other person’s heart and mind. The heart wants what it wants.'"

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#72 Nov 27, 2013
1) Orientation refers to gender, not numbers.
2) Legal marriage has nothing to do with religion.
3) There's never been fear that polygamy would interfere with monogamy.
4) Multiple partners doesn't necessarily mean multiple incomes or lower expenses.
5) See 2.
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
In the vein of moral relativism, the following major arguments can be made to support the legalization of plural marriage:
1. Polysexual/Polyamorous Orientation: According to the theory of Genetic Imperative, many men are biologically hardwired or oriented to feel attraction toward multiple women, yet social values and socialization pressures require men to repress expression of these innate impulses (this is true across all socioeconomic, ethnic and cultural groups). Since a predominant number of men have inborn sexual tendencies that are incompatible with a monogamous lifestyle, by no fault of their own, marriage ought to be progressively redefined as a socially approved relationship between an undefined number of consenting spouses.
2. Separation of Church and State: Many state marriage laws codify and uphold religious principles that unjustly and unconstitutionally force polysexuals to conform to non-secular tradition.
3. Consequential Neutrality: Permitting men to marry at least two wives (polygyny) or women to marry multiple husbands (polyandry) will not in any way infringe on monogamists’ right to marry only one spouse. Therefore, polygamy should be permitted because of its neutral consequence to other valid forms of marriage.
4. Consequentialism: Studies have shown that parental household income and parental involvement correlates positively with many lifelong success indicators. Since multiple-parent households have greater income potential and more parental time than monogamist parents, children raised by stable polygamist parents stand to be more educated, healthy, well-adjusted and productive as adults than their monogamist-raised counterparts. Considering the significant long-term social benefits of polygamous relationships, governments should not discriminatorily deny their citizens’ right to this equally valid lifestyle.
5. Anti-Christ Argument: Christians and biblical scholars acknowledge that the New Testament never explicitly condemns polygamy. Because Jesus never explicitly condemned polygamy, Christians are morally obliged to not pass judgment against their poloysexual brethren, and follow the Golden Rule by tolerating their imperative way of life just as Christians would want others to respect and tolerate their traditions and customs.
These five arguments are similar to the ones presently being used to redefine marriage, and with much proven success, they will undoubtedly be used to champion further alterations.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#73 Nov 27, 2013
I personalty have known people living the polygamy lifestyle. It works for some and for some it doesn't. But if we are going to open the marriage laws up for gay couples, we have to open them up for all.
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
Is Polygamy the next Frontier in the struggle for American “Equality”?
Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/open...
Excerpt: "With so many marriages ending in divorce -- oftentimes because of infidelity -- is polyamory the answer to all our divorce woes?
Jenny Block, author of Open: Love, Sex, and Life in an Open Marriage, thinks so.
'It’s becoming clear that heterosexual monogamous marriage simply doesn’t work for most people. And I think people are tired of being unhappy and dissatisfied,' she told the Daily Beast earlier this month.
'We cannot control our own desires and we certainly cannot control the desires of others,' said Block, who has been in an open marriage for the past 10 years.'You cannot tell someone,‘Don’t be attracted to anyone else. Don’t desire anyone else.’ You can say,‘If we’re going to be together, I want it to be monogamous.’ But you cannot control the other person’s heart and mind. The heart wants what it wants.'"

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#74 Nov 27, 2013
DavidM wrote:
I personalty have known people living the polygamy lifestyle. It works for some and for some it doesn't. But if we are going to open the marriage laws up for gay couples, we have to open them up for all.
<quoted text>
Then take your case to the United States Supreme Court like gay people did.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#75 Nov 27, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
<quoted text>
Realizing that they're losing their battle to keep Jim Crow laws in effect, the bigots behind anti-gay extremism are left with the desperation tactic of pretending marriage equality has anything to do at all with polygamy. It doesn't. But, if you're fascinated by the topic, by all means go find yourself a polygamy board. It's not related, in any way, to the topic of discussion here.
And racism is in no way related to homosexual marriage but you cling to it like moss to a rock.
whatever

United States

#76 Nov 27, 2013
DavidM wrote:
<quoted text>I personalty have known people living the polygamy lifestyle. It works for some and for some it doesn't. But if we are going to open the marriage laws up for gay couples, we have to open them up for all.
This explain ALOT!!!!!!!

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#77 Nov 27, 2013
What racism? I've never read OkieDarren make any such remarks.
Wondering wrote:
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And racism is in no way related to homosexual marriage but you cling to it like moss to a rock.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#78 Nov 27, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
What racism? I've never read OkieDarren make any such remarks.
<quoted text>
Maybe if you knew how to read..........

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#79 Nov 27, 2013
Honey, I write for a living. Reading's part of the skill set. Can't back up your claims, I see.
Wondering wrote:
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Maybe if you knew how to read..........
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#80 Nov 27, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Honey, I write for a living. Reading's part of the skill set. Can't back up your claims, I see.
<quoted text>
Ok, there are good writers and then there's you.
Why do you feel it's always necessary to explain the obvious to you and people like you? It can't be because you're intelligent.

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