Indianapolis leaders take stand against gay marriage ban

Nov 11, 2013 Full story: The Indianapolis Star 120

Indianapolis city leaders tonight will officially add their voices to the debate over Indiana's proposed same-sex marriage ban.

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#1 Nov 12, 2013
Little by little America remembers it's origins.

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#2 Nov 12, 2013
The specious argument claims same sex marriage deprives a child of having a biological mother and father; Over fifty percent of marriages fail and people remarry. Many become single parents. Same sex marriage has no impact on any of these statistics.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#3 Nov 12, 2013
Big deal. You would think that the counsels as for a repeal of the marriage law in Indiana. Guess what? You still can not get married in Indiana under the current law.

Now lets talk about something more important to Indiana. Polygamy. Look at the people that they are missing out on. We are not talking just about two people getting married. We are talking about three, four, maybe even five people. Maybe one of them is a chemist or a doctor. They could belong to many profession and Indiana is missing out on all of them because Indiana is full of hateful bigots.
The Romney Family

Anderson, IN

#4 Nov 12, 2013
DavidM wrote:
Big deal. You would think that the counsels as for a repeal of the marriage law in Indiana. Guess what? You still can not get married in Indiana under the current law.
Now lets talk about something more important to Indiana. Polygamy. Look at the people that they are missing out on. We are not talking just about two people getting married. We are talking about three, four, maybe even five people. Maybe one of them is a chemist or a doctor. They could belong to many profession and Indiana is missing out on all of them because Indiana is full of hateful bigots.
Polygamy worked for us.

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#5 Nov 12, 2013
DavidM wrote:
Big deal. You would think that the counsels as for a repeal of the marriage law in Indiana. Guess what? You still can not get married in Indiana under the current law.
Now lets talk about something more important to Indiana. Polygamy. Look at the people that they are missing out on. We are not talking just about two people getting married. We are talking about three, four, maybe even five people. Maybe one of them is a chemist or a doctor. They could belong to many profession and Indiana is missing out on all of them because Indiana is full of hateful bigots.
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Indianapolis, IN

#6 Nov 12, 2013
The "Lemon test" is a test the US Supreme Court uses; it details the requirements for legislation concerning religion. It consists of three prongs:

1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose; (Purpose Prong)

2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion; (Effect Prong)

3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.(Entanglement Prong)

If any of these prongs are violated, the government's action is deemed unconstitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Virginia Cain, acting in her role as an elected member of the government and therefore presumably representing all citizens equally, says "marriage is a beautiful gift from God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He invented it. He defined it - for our benefit and for the benefit of children. And I will stand to protect it."

This proposed amendment not only denies same-sex couples the civil marriage contract - it also denies them civil unions or anything substantially similar. Cain is dead wrong that anyone stands to benefit from this bad and demonstrably unconstitutional amendment as proposed.

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#7 Nov 12, 2013
read it wrote:
The "Lemon test" is a test the US Supreme Court uses; it details the requirements for legislation concerning religion. It consists of three prongs:
1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose; (Purpose Prong)
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion; (Effect Prong)
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.(Entanglement Prong)
If any of these prongs are violated, the government's action is deemed unconstitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Virginia Cain, acting in her role as an elected member of the government and therefore presumably representing all citizens equally, says "marriage is a beautiful gift from God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He invented it. He defined it - for our benefit and for the benefit of children. And I will stand to protect it."
This proposed amendment not only denies same-sex couples the civil marriage contract - it also denies them civil unions or anything substantially similar. Cain is dead wrong that anyone stands to benefit from this bad and demonstrably unconstitutional amendment as proposed.
Well said.
humble voter

Noblesville, IN

#8 Nov 12, 2013
May people like me who were born and raised on the west coast like to live here in Indiana because it is a good place to raise a family -- meaning socially, morally, economically, and politically more conservative. Greg Ballard may undo that reputation and lose the people who moved to this state in the 1990's and supported his election.
humble voter

Noblesville, IN

#9 Nov 12, 2013
Should be "Many people..." (sorry)

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#10 Nov 12, 2013
DavidM wrote:
Big deal. You would think that the counsels as for a repeal of the marriage law in Indiana. Guess what? You still can not get married in Indiana under the current law.
Now lets talk about something more important to Indiana. Polygamy. Look at the people that they are missing out on. We are not talking just about two people getting married. We are talking about three, four, maybe even five people. Maybe one of them is a chemist or a doctor. They could belong to many profession and Indiana is missing out on all of them because Indiana is full of hateful bigots.
Realizing that they're losing their battle to keep Jim Crow laws in effect, the bigots behind anti-gay extremism are left with the desperation tactic of pretending marriage equality has anything to do at all with polygamy. It doesn't. But, if you're fascinated by the topic, by all means go find yourself a polygamy board. It's not related, in any way, to the topic of discussion here.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#11 Nov 12, 2013
humble voter wrote:
May people like me who were born and raised on the west coast like to live here in Indiana because it is a good place to raise a family -- meaning socially, morally, economically, and politically more conservative. Greg Ballard may undo that reputation and lose the people who moved to this state in the 1990's and supported his election.
If you left the west coast to go somewhere to hate gays, you'll have to keep moving to find somewhere that can keep up with your ignorance. There is nothing remotely moral about homophobia and "economic conservatism" is equally immoral. Sounds like you need to find yourself a cave to live in without any nasty gay people or poor people or any other people at all. Maybe a nice deserted island somewhere.
But don't pretend your grotesque mindset has a thing to do with morality.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#12 Nov 12, 2013
First of all, this is a state ban and Ballard does not run the state. More importantly, your argument presumes that gay marriage is inherently immoral, and that's not a legal basis for denying equal rights. Where will you move when SSM is the law of the land?
humble voter wrote:
May people like me who were born and raised on the west coast like to live here in Indiana because it is a good place to raise a family -- meaning socially, morally, economically, and politically more conservative. Greg Ballard may undo that reputation and lose the people who moved to this state in the 1990's and supported his election.

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#13 Nov 12, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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If you left the west coast to go somewhere to hate gays, you'll have to keep moving to find somewhere that can keep up with your ignorance. There is nothing remotely moral about homophobia and "economic conservatism" is equally immoral. Sounds like you need to find yourself a cave to live in without any nasty gay people or poor people or any other people at all. Maybe a nice deserted island somewhere.
But don't pretend your grotesque mindset has a thing to do with morality.
Some nasty little backward countries in Africa?
Elite Golfer

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Nov 12, 2013
humble voter wrote:
May people like me who were born and raised on the west coast like to live here in Indiana because it is a good place to raise a family -- meaning socially, morally, economically, and politically more conservative. Greg Ballard may undo that reputation and lose the people who moved to this state in the 1990's and supported his election.
All I want when I move somewhere is to find a country club that keeps out all the people I don't want to be around. Is that really so wrong?

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#15 Nov 12, 2013
Elite Golfer wrote:
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All I want when I move somewhere is to find a country club that keeps out all the people I don't want to be around. Is that really so wrong?
No problem. Hope you have lots of money.
ima hoosier

Greenfield, IN

#16 Nov 12, 2013
how much taxpayer monies have been wasted on the subject of gay marriage in indiana? what is the big deal. let gays marry. let them assume the same health care insurance cost and the rest of what it takes in the work force re employee rights. i perform my job duties without thinking of moral issues interferring with my integrity. why worry about an issue that means zilch. everyone pays for rights.
In Jades head rent free

Topeka, KS

#17 Nov 12, 2013
ima hoosier wrote:
how much taxpayer monies have been wasted on the subject of gay marriage in indiana? what is the big deal. let gays marry. let them assume the same health care insurance cost and the rest of what it takes in the work force re employee rights. i perform my job duties without thinking of moral issues interferring with my integrity. why worry about an issue that means zilch. everyone pays for rights.
faggotry must be stopped.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#18 Nov 12, 2013
So you'll understand if you're denied membership in said club because someone doesn't want to associate with you?
Elite Golfer wrote:
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All I want when I move somewhere is to find a country club that keeps out all the people I don't want to be around. Is that really so wrong?

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#19 Nov 12, 2013
In Jades head rent free wrote:
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faggotry must be stopped.
Then go shoot yourself.

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#20 Nov 12, 2013
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