Forums to target state agency complaints

Parents and families with concerns about their treatment by the child-welfare system will have an opportunity to discuss the problems during four public forums this month.

[sandman]

Already the results of privatization are revealing the reasons why government originally had to take control of these types of services in the first place. Private management reduces quality of service. The claim of efficiency by privateers and their political hacks are false. The only efficiency we see from privatization is the efficient siphoning of money from the lowest level public servants to the bank accounts of the wealthy. We forgot the lessons of the 20's and 30's and would do well to stop sliding down this slippery slope.

[Suspicious]

How many people do you know that have their children removed and call it a positive experience? It seems pretty easy to get a bunch of people together to talk about how they have been wronged in the child welfare system. What a one-sided way of attempting to deal with issue. Has anyone ever read the headlines? The people complaining always fall to one side or the other--CPS did too much, CPS did too little. How can a system improve if no one is able to look at the moments when they system gets it just right? Those people never step forward to talk about their experience--probably because of the stigma attached with being involved in the child welfare system. Who can blame them with all the judgment that is thrown around on blogs like this?

[Suspicious]

Child welfare/CPS has not been privatized in Indiana.

sandman wrote:

Already the results of privatization are revealing the reasons why government originally had to take control of these types of services in the first place. Private management reduces quality of service. The claim of efficiency by privateers and their political hacks are false. The only efficiency we see from privatization is the efficient siphoning of money from the lowest level public servants to the bank accounts of the wealthy. We forgot the lessons of the 20's and 30's and would do well to stop sliding down this slippery slope.

[Indiana CPS worker]

What many people fail to realize is that cps workers are enforcers of INDIANA FAMILY LAW. That means, they HAVE to operate first and formost under the Indiana Statutes. If you think the process is unfair or harsh PLEASE notify your state representative! I know that with the enormous case laods and the social work backgrounds of these workers removal is a last resort. I have personally been told by families that their experience with CPS was positive.....why is there NEVER positive coverage about the hundreds of Indiana children who are cared for by the state while their parents are parents are placing them at risk. Believe it or not, there are parents who choose to place their children in danger because of their drug use, domestically violent relationships and inhumane living conditions. CPS is a necessary evil.

[LawMAKERS and LawBREAKERS]

Funny you should mention Indiana "Family" (CHINS) Law, and how "CPS" HAS to operate first and formost (sic) under those Statutes.

That would be REALLY NICE if the CPS would, even ONCE, operate in compliance with the (alread rather good) CHINS statutes!

Oh, and don't forget the RULES OF COURT and RULES OF EVIDENCE, too...

That would be really nice indeed.

A (further) legislative response isn't the answer. It only works if the Courts enforce them. So far, that has, far too often, not been the case.

The CHINS statutes are already fairly good; the Rules of Court are alread fairly good; the Rules of Evidence are already fairly good.

NOW, IF ONLY THEY WERE BEING FOLLOWED BY CPS AND ENFORCED BY THE COURTS...

IMHO, the only law that needs to be added is the STRIPPING OF IMMUNITY for CPS Workers who violate a child or parent's Rights to Due Process.

California has had such a law on the books for 20 years now. Why can't we?

[changes needed]

First of all, the forums are public so familes who have had a positive experience are welcomed to express their gratitude for DCS's help. Caseworkers who feel the process is fair and beneficial should also speak up.
By the same token, those who feel wronged by the system should not be so quickly dismissed.
Mistakes are made and will continue to be made. Any movement in the direction of correction is worth pursuing.

[Time to wake up]

LawMAKERS and LawBREAKERS wrote:

Funny you should mention Indiana "Family" (CHINS) Law, and how "CPS" HAS to operate first and formost (sic) under those Statutes.
That would be REALLY NICE if the CPS would, even ONCE, operate in compliance with the (alread rather good) CHINS statutes!
Oh, and don't forget the RULES OF COURT and RULES OF EVIDENCE, too...
That would be really nice indeed.
A (further) legislative response isn't the answer. It only works if the Courts enforce them. So far, that has, far too often, not been the case.
The CHINS statutes are already fairly good; the Rules of Court are alread fairly good; the Rules of Evidence are already fairly good.
NOW, IF ONLY THEY WERE BEING FOLLOWED BY CPS AND ENFORCED BY THE COURTS...
IMHO, the only law that needs to be added is the STRIPPING OF IMMUNITY for CPS Workers who violate a child or parent's Rights to Due Process.
California has had such a law on the books for 20 years now. Why can't we?

Well Said and sadly so true! Where is our DEMOCRACY?

[Bite me CPS Freaks]

Indiana CPS worker wrote:

What many people fail to realize is that cps workers are enforcers of INDIANA FAMILY LAW. That means, they HAVE to operate first and formost under the Indiana Statutes. If you think the process is unfair or harsh PLEASE notify your state representative! I know that with the enormous case laods and the social work backgrounds of these workers removal is a last resort. I have personally been told by families that their experience with CPS was positive.....why is there NEVER positive coverage about the hundreds of Indiana children who are cared for by the state while their parents are parents are placing them at risk. Believe it or not, there are parents who choose to place their children in danger because of their drug use, domestically violent relationships and inhumane living conditions. CPS is a necessary evil.

Only truth spoken here:
CPS IS EVIL!!!!! and James Payne should have whole pineapples shoved up his arrogant pompous BUTT!!!!

[Reality Check]

sandman wrote:

Already the results of privatization are revealing the reasons why government originally had to take control of these types of services in the first place. Private management reduces quality of service. The claim of efficiency by privateers and their political hacks are false. The only efficiency we see from privatization is the efficient siphoning of money from the lowest level public servants to the bank accounts of the wealthy. We forgot the lessons of the 20's and 30's and would do well to stop sliding down this slippery slope.

We already have privatization involved. There are agencies that provide foster parents and juvenile facilities that are privately run and purely money mills.

I agree that we need private citizens, with no ax to grind, looking into the hen house. A citizens' review panel made up of DCS 's hand picked people would be totally worthless.

[Rita]

Susan Tiekling needs her family's children removed from the home by CPS/DCS, then let her use the avenues of complaints. She needs to see were it gets her!! Maybe James Payne with say , "I condone what my staff has done", even though his staff handed an 4 month old infant to a deranged man tha BASHED IN HER HEAD, and on cocaine, who abused the mother, who now has scars from being burned!! These people telling the public what they need to do is something they need to suffer! Why should any parent have to go through the hell this agency puts a parent and child through with out tax dollars anyway by hearsay, false allegations, and a supervisor that tells the staff at CPS they have a quota to meet!! This agency is committing human traffiking with our children, and allow hearsay to cause more harm to a family the the false allegation claim itself. Then, the judges in Indiana are threatening parents in court with doors closed to not speak to anyone about the case, especially anyone else with a CHINS case. So, why not, James Payne? Is there fear that the public is see the truth of what is happening? Is there fear people may see your lies?? Parents, fear not, tell on the judges that threatened you, as if your child is taken away, changes are the children are already sold, never to be seen again by you. Remember, they threaten you with your children hostage, because your fear is their POWER to violate the rights of all citizens. Speak up, scream loud, you have the right to protect your family, regardless who it is. We are not under Hitler Dictatorship, not under Communism, but CPS/DCS functions disregarding the rights of all and they commit perjury, falsification of court records, and they make alot of money when they steal your child!!

[Rita]

One can ask Carl Brizzi' office what happens when a state worker commits perjury, falsification of court records, and allows an infant to be beaten at the hands CPS hands the infant to, then refuses medical treatment. NOTHING, AS HE IS REPUBLICAN, and government workers can commit crimes, so go on, ask Carl Brizzi' office. Former Chief of Staff, Lisa Borges, now judge, will cover for James Payne too. I question, just how did Lisa Borges get sladed in to run for judge, and by who?? Maybe she helped keep the CPS crimes of perjury and the abuse the family was getting, and aided with CPS/DCS attack on the family as a favor for James Payne, so as a favor, poof, she is a judge now. And what did Stephanie Beasley-Fehrman do to get such a large pay raise of her salary. I suspect, lie very well, being good at committing perjury, misrepresentation of her idenity, and making sure children are adopted quickly. Frankly, Indiana' Dept of Child Services needs to find the approximate 30% of children they don't know where they are, as we already know, 30-35% of the others if not dead yet, will be by the end of the year, according to the greater than decade of "reported deaths under state care". The judges in Indiana for CPS/DCS refuses to bother to ask for proof of the allegations, as they make judgement on HEARSAY!! wHERE DID LIBERTY AND JUSTICE GO? And why doesn't CPS court have to follow the same judicial law as other courts, and why does the CPS workers and the judges threatening parents to sign a CHINS or not to tell anyone what is going on??? Parents, never sign for this mofia like government and record everything you can, and report the threatening judges to the Fed Judical Courts. The truth must be told, as parents and children, alike are being victimized by Indiana government, and not even Steve Carter, David Thomas, Carl Brizzi, or any other Republican official is concerned for the citizen's agenda or need, just their own agenda, this is wrong. Carl Brizzi' office doesn't care for the welfare of women or children, as his office laughed at a 911 call when a woman was being attacked,(Myron Hockman), and Randy Taylor, Det. IMPD, paid for what??? I have witnessed hell, lived it, cried it, lost every penny I had and what I didn't have. I pray for the hand of God, to reveal the truth of the suffering, abuse, rape, and murdering of children under the "protection" of Indiana state wardship, CPS/DCS. I meant to say, WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS, THE CPS/DCS WORKERS GET TO CAUSE DESTRUCTION OF FAMILIES, DEATHS OF CHILDREN, AND DEFAMATION OF PARENTS, as the judge rubber stamps the lies. Does anyone want it in black and white?

[Rita]

The workers of CPS/DCS, cannot function by their own policy and procedure, because they do not know it!! Even when several policy and procedures where copied and pasted to an email, sent to Donna Lewis, Attorney for Marion County CPS/DCS office at 4150 N Keystone, Indy, she didn't even know the information was straight from the web, as she told, CM/SW, Dan Brumfield, "This does not pertain to us, she is just pulling stuff off the web".. This is too sad, as yes, it was from her agency' web of policy and procedure. The point, Ms. Teikling, needs to see just what happens when parents file complaints, and ask for help. If she took the time to do "follow through", she may know the verbage given to her to recite is garbage. You don't take an infant from a mom that fleed from the male bi-polar cocaine user abuser, to give the infant to the abuser the mom fleed from. But Cynthia Blue is used to committed perjury and falsification of court records, so is Andrea Goodwin, and Stephanie Beasley-Fehrman, she also knew the infant was beaten, but continued to keep the infant from the mom that was neg for drugs, as the abuser CPS gave the child to, was so high on cocaine and THC, a different lab had to be consulted to read the values. But Dan Brumfield made sure the judge never got to know this info until we find out about it. So, crime? CPS/DCS can do what they want, violate your rights, and ignore if your child is dead or suffering at the hands they handed your child too.

[Rita]

Enforcers of Family Law? If you only knew, these workers don't even know their own policy more or less law. You make me laugh, as you are one that needs to see the number of children you pay for with your tax dollars to misplace a child, over medicate a child, or simply ignore where the child is even at. Did you know that money is being paid to ??? for "Foster care of children" that are not even in foster care??? Please, get informed.

Bite me CPS Freaks wrote:

<quoted text>
Only truth spoken here:
CPS IS EVIL!!!!! and James Payne should have whole pineapples shoved up his arrogant pompous BUTT!!!!

[Rita]

James Payne needs to have a visit from the children that have died under state care to grind their teeth on his behind and make him suffer as they did. His judgement will come, and the Holy Judge, will not be so helpful to James Payne to allow secrets, conspiracies, and little favors or give favors in return.

[witness to DCS perjury]

When someone has something happen, that was not chosen to happen vs someone choosing to do something that allows something to happen, each of these situations are different, correct?
So, one would think that CPS/DCS, would be able to "Investigate" what is true harm of a child and what is a natural aspect of childhood, right? No, the word, "investigation" is defined by, "allegation and substanciation of a false claim to keep the children under state care". Not even valid, tangible, reproducible, black and white, or factual information is used to substanciate a claim. This agency works on hearsay, lies, deception, conspiracy, and allowed to commit perjury, as the judge sits on the bench to allow any and all rights a citizen has for libery and justice, for a fair trial, for the ability to even as much as speak. So, why are we spending millions of dollars to be the nation's number one state for the deaths of children? Just who is accountable??
Start with Steve Carter, David Thomas, and Carl Brizzi, and do not forget, Mitch Daniels, who never made that "Open door". Report the crimes of the state workers, and all of them will ignore you, even if the child' life is in danger, or the woman that is abused that begs for help, but laughed at. So, investigation is to be done by CPS/DCS workers, let me puk! It seems that if a child does something that is generally normal, CPS and Carl Brizzi jumps on it, but if a mom makes the choice to put her child in danger, well, no harm done, especially if they have money and married. As example, below.
So, if a mom is asleep with her children, as all others in the area are doing, in their own homes, but one of the children escapes from the home, that mom is called, among many names, "Monster", ect. This mom made no decision to allow her child to escape, the child just did so, without her knowledge.
On the other hand, a mom makes a choice to place her child in her car, turns on the engine, then the mom makes the choice to leave the car running and child strapped in the car seat, in order to return back into the home. Mom, making her choices, allows the child the opportunity to reach up to the radio, accidently shifts the gear into reverse, then the running car, with child ALONE inside the car, rolls into a pond. Mom runs to save the child, pulls child out of the pond. SHE IS A HERO!!
This happened in another county, as the mom and dad lost sight of their child, then had to perform CPR when the child was found floating in the pond. Oh, the dad was a hero in that case too. They where both AWAKE!! So, where were the State Troopers and cameras??
Okay, so, the mom that was sleeping as many others in the area were doing is a Monster, but the mom that made a choice to place her child in danger, willingly and knowingly, is called a hero? Or what if a mom is at Walmart, the child walks away and gets lost in the store, should CPS get called and the mom labelled negigent?
What about the Fire Dept hiving out those locator bands for kids that have a tendency to "roam from home". Are those parents going to get State Troopers, national attention, and Carl Brizzi to file felony charges, as the child is in the back yard, the drive way, the street, the interstate?? Will we find all the monsters??
The mom that left her child in a running car is the negligent one, she is NOT a hero just because she saved her child from the danger she chose to place her child into.
But Child Protection Services nor the Prosecutor' Office, know the difference of what is negligence, they only know which mom is a single low income mom and the married, middle or upper class income mom.
It is not about "protection" or "neglect", it is about which mom cannot afford to fight for her rights to be protected under the "Liberty and Justice" or the "Constitution". Make sure you keep a clean home, as now CPS can substanciate what clean homes are defined as.

[witness to DCS perjury]

Why is it required for medical staff to file a 310 to CPS/DCS/DCF, if child abuse, neglect, or molestation, is suspected, but the doctors at Planned Parenthood, not only know the child of 10 - 15 years of age has been a victim of molestation but also of rape, as the pregnancy is evident. Why are these doctors allowed to perform abortions, and obstruction of justice, on the behalf of the predator or the victim, while murdering another life. This makes no sense.
Planned Parenthood fails to protect child as Indiana Statutes require for child endangerment/abuse/neglect. Why doesn't DCS file against the MD license for failing to report on behalf of the child' well-being and safety, with deliberate actions of aiding in the removal of evidence, and aiding the rape of the rapist to be unpunished. These doctors are also rapist by proxy. Please, help those who have no voice or ability to be heard.
1. If a child is taken to the hospital, & it is identified the child may have been a victim of abuse, CPS, Child Protection Services, is called to report the suspected abuse, and the medical records are used & submitted to CPS to be investigated.(But unfortunately, even at that, CPS/Dept of Child Services is incapable of investigation for truth, as they rely on nothing but hearsay).
2. If an elderly or debilitated dependent adult is taken to the hospital, and is noted to be a victim of neglect or in immediate danger, then APS, Adult Protection Services is called & medical records are given.
Each of the above, is handing over medical records to the agencies for an investigation.
3. Now there is a 12 year old that is seeking an abortion at Planned Parenthood. Okay, mom is there with the 12 year old girl.
Question:::: why is this not a reportable to CPS as the Indiana Statutes state a girl is not of age to give consent for sex under the age of 16 years of age. Therefore, a 12 year old, being of a younger age than the age of consent, must be of rape, incest, or molestation,(Abuse). Why would this be a violation of medical records to hand over to authorities as it would be done for CPS/APS. The 12 year old is pregnant, therefore sexual interaction occurred, but yet, the law states she is under the age to give consent. Furthermore, this 12 year old and the mom wants the pregnancy aborted, but the fetus is noted to be of 16weeks and 2 days, abortion is done even though the time has past for a "legal abortion. Therefore, I must inquire about why a child under the legal consent age is NOT reported as a "victim"?? And, why can she abort without a child advocate? The baby is a 100% proof, that someone victimized the child of age 12 years of age. I think this should be a reportable, the baby should be born & be adopted out, and depression or abortion does not have to occur. Also, the baby' DNA can be used to prosecute the child' predator, and the 12 year old can get needed counseling. I just do not understand how medical records of a girl under the age of consent for sex as defined by Indiana Statutes can not be obtained to prosecute a sexual predator!! The Baby is the evidence!!(The abortion still occurs after the stated legal time frame to do so, but this is hidden since medical records are hidden for these unfortunate girls under 16 years of age.) Obtaining the medical records are not a violation of a patient when a child under the stated age of consent is pregnant, as the child is a victim. This should be a reportable, a 310 should be made!! But even at that, nothing will be done but to remove the child to place into foster care to be abused until the time frame allows for the child to be adopted for a big profit to the state government.
Is there anyone that can stop the murdering of innocence?

[witness to DCS perjury]

If a child is molested, CPS comes running in to "protect" the child from further molestation, at least that is what they say. Also, the prosecutor is suppose to prosecute any one person that is molesting a child. So, I ask, no, I plead, with all in legislation to please, look at the statutes that are already in place regarding this issue, and file appropriately to make mandatory all licensed personnel to report not just suspected abuse and molestation, but literally rape, as the pregnancy is the most ultimate evidence of the act.
Indiana Attorney General, Steve Carter' Office is not concerned, nor is James Payne' Office, Child "Protection" Services, now re-named as, Dept. of Child and Family Services,(what a joke or scam), but let someone make a false allegation, watch the child be literally stolen from their safe home and put into danger!! But this is typical in Indiana, as a young girl was raped and given alcohol, the IMPD officer and the Beech Grove Det. closed the case without obtaining the rape kit medical results from the Center of Hope, of which noted forced sexual encounter. The rapist was never charged for the rape or giving minors alcohol. But, in Indiana, women and children mean nothing, just ask Carl Brizzi' office, 911 calls for help while being attacked is a "laughable" event, right Myron Hockman, Linda Majors, Lisa Borges, Ron, and all others in the prosecutor' office that partook in the laughter!!! Too bad the former Colts guy, in trouble for the alcohol party with teens, in Hamilton Co. wasn't in Marion Co., because if all officers ignored the minor being given alcohol by a 21 year old man with pockets full of cocaine and THC,(that the officer allowed to flush in the toilet), like the one I witnessed, nothing would be said about it. Children, women, what protection is there, and who do the complaints go to, to be actually investigated?? From top to local officials, there is no one!!

[witness to DCS perjury]

"Notify your state representative"! Laughable quotation. Do you think 8000 letters to the Senators, the Legislative chairs, Lugar, Pence, Frizzel, oh, and a waste of a letter to Dan Burton, Wade Horn, Michael Levitt, ect, ect, would do any good? When this state has judges that do not follow their own oath to identify fact from fiction, threaten family to not speak about what is happening to their own children, do ya think a representative cares? Do you think Brian Bosma did anything when the cameras were off, when he stated, "I will check into it"? When James Payne writes a family that witnessed the beating of an infant and the CPS/DCS worker refused medical treatment and handed the infant back to the abuser, that he, James Payne "Condones what his staff has done: or David Thomas stating that, "I have seen this happen for 14 years to many families, but...;. Do as you are told or loose"., or Carl Brizzi' office stating, "There is nothing we can do". Or Steve Carter' office thinks it is okay for Methodist doctors to refuse a mother a second opinion, the right to have her own pediatrican to care for her child, and the doctor to give an overdose of deadly medication to just prove a point that she was the doctor, or the social workers and nurses to refuse the mom a patient advocate, the nurses refused to idenify their names and hide their name badges, and then claim mom is refusing medical treatment, calls CPS, and CPS forces mome to sign a legal document for Methodist to waiver a second opinion, or NEVER SEE HER BABY AGAIN!! So, ok, tell who? Do you think the mom was given the right to have her chart admended on her requests to see her own doctor?? No, but Methodist did re-write the chart to protect their butt, but as a medical professional that informed one of the doctors about patient' rights, this doctor is aware of who he is, and that he did nothing to stop the drug overdose that was highly toxic. Shame on him.
CPS operates alright, quite well with fiction, falsification of court documents, defaming innocent parents, an ignoring the abuse the child under the state care is suffering by the person CPS hands the child too!!

Indiana CPS worker wrote:

What many people fail to realize is that cps workers are enforcers of INDIANA FAMILY LAW. That means, they HAVE to operate first and formost under the Indiana Statutes. If you think the process is unfair or harsh PLEASE notify your state representative! I know that with the enormous case laods and the social work backgrounds of these workers removal is a last resort. I have personally been told by families that their experience with CPS was positive.....why is there NEVER positive coverage about the hundreds of Indiana children who are cared for by the state while their parents are parents are placing them at risk. Believe it or not, there are parents who choose to place their children in danger because of their drug use, domestically violent relationships and inhumane living conditions. CPS is a necessary evil.

[Concerned]

Recently, a conversation was heard regarding a judge, by the name of Judge Rush, in Tippicanoe County, was threatening parents to not speak to anyone regarding their cases, especially any other parents involved with CHINS cases. Does anyone know about this??? Since when can a judge demand a "Gag order" to be on a parent to not allow them to speak?? So, what is going on?? Is the judge afraid too many people will find out the truth of the crimes this agency of DCS, Dept. of Child Services to doing to innocent families by lies, hearsay, falsifying records, and refusing citizens the right for democracy, justice, libery, the right to be innocent until PROVEN guilty?? When did Hilter rise to life in Indiana?? The Republican party can surely respond with the answer. And when the the oath of the judge change to dictatorship??? Parents threatened by that judge really need to call the feds and the US Civil Liberties, US Attorney General, and report the judge for threats with disregard to American Rights, and complain to all media enities in all states and countries. I know there has to be one honest politian somewhere!!!

[Concerned]

To the parents that lost their little girl from a drug reaction from a drug given by a medical professional, while on warfarin, or also called coumadin, a blood thinner, anticoagulant, my prayers are with you. However, I hear DCS, Dept of Children Services is accusing you that you should have been able to see your daughter was hemorraging internally. Therefore, DCS removed your other children. Well, if you are accused of being negligent of not being able to notice your daughter's internal hemorraging, then why isn't the Methodist RNs charged for not only failing to acknowledge administering an overdose of Heparin to 6 infants, but they as professionals, should have noticed the "INTERNAL HEMORRAGING OF THE INFANTS".
As parents, that have a child under the care of a doctor, but not themselves being a medical professional, it is absurd for DCS to accuse you of "You should have known about the internal hemorraging", since the RNs at Methodist didn't notice the internal hemorraging until the babies were DEAD! Those medically trained,()not very well, obviously) RNs are the ones that administered the Heparin!!!
It is a shame that the Attorney General will allow medical staff at Methodist Hospital to kill children under the fascade of medical treatment, but non-medical parents, who follow a doctor's order is charged of being negligent and have their children removed from their homes and the parents under defamation, hardship, suffering, and grieving for the death of a child, then loose the other children to the state for stupid allegations. This makes no sense, but this is our Republican Attorney General' office, they protect the rich, allow citizens to be victimized, defamed, slandered, libeled, and stomped on. Wish I could tell of the other cases of deadly errors at Methodist, that is kept hush, hush. Just how much crime against the citizens is the government doing in Indiana? "The good old boys, will cover up theie crimes well, every time, and cover for each other, lie for each other, and protect each other. Democracy or Hilter Dictatorship on the rise in Indiana?