Mandatory Life Sentence

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AllAmerican1

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Pete wrote:
Lets see. the movie American Beauty. It had a closet Gay. A boy. A girl. A pedophile,. And a gun nut.
Yep.....that sounds like All American Beauty.
Ironic how we started out talking about criminal kids actually committing crimes with guns, and now me, a working, taxpaying, civil human is the focus of your attention.
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AllAmerican1 wrote:
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If you want to get them foaming at the mouth, we could talk about our childhoods again...lol...they like that!
LMWAO..Uh oh..I said white ..start your whinnning boyzzzzzzzzz....
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AllAmerican1 wrote:
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Ironic how we started out talking about criminal kids actually committing crimes with guns, and now me, a working, taxpaying, civil human is the focus of your attention.
Happens every single time, no?

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AllAmerican1 wrote:
I disagree because most of these jack asses aren't earning any bread anyway. We could also house 20 prisoners for what 1 prisoner costs us now!
Not everyone who commits a gun crime is a "jack ass". You specifically suggested that all who use a gun while committing a crime should get life. That is a horrible idea. Plenty of thugs would get taken off the street. At the same time plenty of good people who made a bad decision would be locked away for decades, and your taxes will double to pay for the incarceration.

And we could not house 20 prisoners for what one costs now. The courts would deem what you suggest as cruel and unusual punishment. The inmates would sue and get lifestyle of the rich and famous level settlements.
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Not everyone who commits a gun crime is a "jack ass". You specifically suggested that all who use a gun while committing a crime should get life. That is a horrible idea. Plenty of thugs would get taken off the street. At the same time plenty of good people who made a bad decision would be locked away for decades, and your taxes will double to pay for the incarceration.
And we could not house 20 prisoners for what one costs now. The courts would deem what you suggest as cruel and unusual punishment. The inmates would sue and get lifestyle of the rich and famous level settlements.
Everything you said is true, however in the interest of a civil society, maybe we should re-look at the laws concerning incarcerated violent felons? Do good people really make bad decisions and kill people?
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Everything you said is true, however in the interest of a civil society, maybe we should re-look at the laws concerning incarcerated violent felons? Do good people really make bad decisions and kill people?
You should know. How many negroes have you shot for fun? Would n't you just hate if a white person had to go to prison for killing blacks!
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You should know. How many negroes have you shot for fun? Would n't you just hate if a white person had to go to prison for killing blacks!
LOL, you're almost stupid to the point of being funny.
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Pete asked how many negroes have you shot for fun? I seem to recall these two young boys, 15 and 17 years old, only shot white people. Was it a sport for them? See how many whites we can shoot in one day? And why not charge them with a hate crime?

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AllAmerican1 wrote:
Everything you said is true, however in the interest of a civil society, maybe we should re-look at the laws concerning incarcerated violent felons? Do good people really make bad decisions and kill people?
Your initial statement was that we need new laws that lock people up forever when they use a firearm while committing a crime. That position is unrealistic to the point where it's not even worth considering. Now you're saying that we should examine how violent felons are punished, which is entirely true.

I say that those convicted of non violent offenses should not be serving hard time. They may get some form or punishment or rehabilitation, but prison cells should be reserved for violent offenders.
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Your initial statement was that we need new laws that lock people up forever when they use a firearm while committing a crime. That position is unrealistic to the point where it's not even worth considering. Now you're saying that we should examine how violent felons are punished, which is entirely true.
I say that those convicted of non violent offenses should not be serving hard time. They may get some form or punishment or rehabilitation, but prison cells should be reserved for violent offenders.
What do we do with the non-violent repeat offenders? How many strikes do they get, even if non-violent?

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What do we do with the non-violent repeat offenders? How many strikes do they get, even if non-violent?
That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Some crimes such as theft are non violent, but deserve significant punishment because depriving someone of their personal property can be worse than violence.

Most of the non violent offenders doing hard time are for drug related offenses. As long as they are not hurting anybody but themselves, I would use a combination of rehabilitation, work release, community service, or probation to deal with them.
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That would have to be determined on a case by case basis. Some crimes such as theft are non violent, but deserve significant punishment because depriving someone of their personal property can be worse than violence.
Most of the non violent offenders doing hard time are for drug related offenses. As long as they are not hurting anybody but themselves, I would use a combination of rehabilitation, work release, community service, or probation to deal with them.
But drugs, by their nature seem to go hand in hand with the majority of the violence, no?

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But drugs, by their nature seem to go hand in hand with the majority of the violence, no?
Back in the 1920's during prohibition thugs were killing each other in the streets fighting over territory and liquor was still easily available to anyone who wanted it. Things are no different now with the war on drugs. The violence that you speak of comes as a result of dealers trying to make fast money by selling a product that's illegal, but incredibly popular.
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Back in the 1920's during prohibition thugs were killing each other in the streets fighting over territory and liquor was still easily available to anyone who wanted it. Things are no different now with the war on drugs. The violence that you speak of comes as a result of dealers trying to make fast money by selling a product that's illegal, but incredibly popular.
But even if legal, those that have no income, or inadequate income still have to get the money somehow. I am just not seeing how being illegal is making it violent. Jewelry is legal, but burglars still steal it.
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i amd os high is cnaoit see straigth but i can stil typpee.

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AllAmerican1 wrote:
But even if legal, those that have no income, or inadequate income still have to get the money somehow. I am just not seeing how being illegal is making it violent. Jewelry is legal, but burglars still steal it.
Tobacco and liquor are both addictive substances, and it's unusual to hear of people committing violent felonies to get their hands on them. The products are fairly cheap, widely available, and 99.99% of users buy it from a government licensed retailer. Plenty of people smoke or drink themselves to death, but that's less harmful to society than locking up everybody who's trying to get a buzz.

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Tobacco and liquor are both addictive substances, and it's unusual to hear of people committing violent felonies to get their hands on them. The products are fairly cheap, widely available, and 99.99% of users buy it from a government licensed retailer. Plenty of people smoke or drink themselves to death, but that's less harmful to society than locking up everybody who's trying to get a buzz.
Do you agree that in general, the effects of alcohol are not as prone to causing violence as cocaine mixed with chemicals, like crack? Or what about meth? I know alcohol causes plenty of violence, but it seems that being addicted to crack, or meth is a multiplier. All of the Mississippi delta towns between Memphis and Clarksdale have had liquor forever, but crack cocaine is what changed those small communities the most.
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AA1 You have had it bad ever since you tried to do that recruiting for the KKK in Beech Grove. The people her don't tolerate that too well it seems.

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I Am Moe wrote:
AA1 You have had it bad ever since you tried to do that recruiting for the KKK in Beech Grove. The people her don't tolerate that too well it seems.
Damn Moe, are we going to bring up the KKK again? I have never defended the KKK or any other hate organization. I challenge you to find any post that proves me wrong. Oh, and by the way, writing one yourself, and putting my name on it doesn't count. Nobody on here, even those with similar views as yourself, are fooled by it. It makes you look small and it shows the true colors of a liberal that can't defend his, or her position.
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I get you AA1, your against abortion until your kid gets knocked up. Your against big government until it suits your needs.You like to think of your self as a concerned American but you do nothing but scream liberal when someone takes a shot at your comments. I ask, now what have you done for your country that you didn't get paid for. Out of all of your babbeling, I have yet to see one post from you that is any kind of a solution to the problems you wine about.You get all of your information from the media and that monitor you sit behind.

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