Lilly shifting work to outsiders

[Joe]

exactly wrote:

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It is BECAUSE people buy their drugs overseas that Lilly and other pharmaceutical companies need to buy their labor overseas.
People want something for nothing and have NO idea what it takes to develop a new drug. Yes, I work at Lilly so I know.

I know your a$$ will be out of a job soon if they don't turn that sinking ship around.

[surfing USA]

exactly wrote:

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It is BECAUSE people buy their drugs overseas that Lilly and other pharmaceutical companies need to buy their labor overseas.
People want something for nothing and have NO idea what it takes to develop a new drug. Yes, I work at Lilly so I know.

Or perhaps it is because employees are reading the paper and TOPIX online while they should be working.

[1986 Mom]

True Reporting wrote:

Wow, by all the head lines and news reporting over the airwaves, I understood that there was a massive lay off coming. But when the facts rolled out, Lilly is going to out source "through attrition", in the future. Glad THAT was cleared up. And I don't work for Lilly, I am retired, but I do know a few that do work there, and I am glad they can have a better Christmas because these "FACTS" have cleared up.

Yeah, the "fact" is that they had the Star and IBJ pull the original truthful articles for damage control purposes. Pathetic. People here aren't as stupid as Lilly would like to think.

[Grinch]

Santa wrote:

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Medication production does not require college. It's factory work. Mix the powder, press the tablets, weight is everything. It may take a pharmacist to make a rx, but a hs grad can read a recipe and mix. Check out Roxxanne labs in ohio.

True, but the article also mentions jobs in research and development, jobs that presumably require a great deal of education and training.

[lastrep]

schwab wrote:

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Don't know much about buying and selling stock, do ya?

Tell me Mr. Schwab, would you hold a stock in a company that you were convinced was going down the tubes?
Don't know much about cutting your losses do you?

[Test Pilot]

Lynn - I think you would make a terrific advocate for the "Divided We Fail" movement AARP has begun which is focusing on Improved quality of Healthcare in our nation. You might consider going online and checking out the opportunities: www.dividedwefail.org

LynnMarie wrote:

Pretty soon there will be no jobs in America for the middle-class family.
Nurses are not exempt from this. Last year, a congresswomen, can't think of her name, tried to bring in 90,000 nurses from overseas. It didn't pass, but I do know that somehow nurses from the Phillipines are showing up at hospitals and working for a third of the money, and probably with no benefits.
There is not a nurse shortage, as hospitals and our government want you to believe. There are more than 450,000 registered nurses 'not practicing' because hospitals pay us too little money and give us too many patients. The liability we face is horrendous if we make a med mistake because we have to rush around and not able to give each patient the care and attention we used to. We are just human beings, not machines.
We come out of college with $50,000 in student loans, and interest can make this $50,000 double in just 10 years.
The college courses a nurse has to take in this day and age would make you think we are training to become doctors. I kid you not.
And for this we earn anywhere from $40,000 to $45,000 annually, if we're lucky. Plus, take 28% of taxes out of that. Heck, illegal aliens are earning that, what with the $32,000 in benefits they receive from Indiana in welfare, free lunches for their kids, free medical insurance, free schooling, and their live-in boyfriends getting paid in cash.
In the past, I've seen some crockety, grumpy people state, "All the nurses seem to stand around and chit-chat". If anyone sees that happen it is because we are trying to take a break (but we have to stay around the patients to do this) or get our breath, or, they are a group of student nurses who are waiting for their next instructions.
There are many modes of care the student nurses cannot do without an experienced nurse by their side, so they have to wait around.
One thing we must demand if the drug companies like Lilly are going to outsource jobs overseas, our dear government must let American citizens start purchasing their medicine from Canada and other countries too. Because right now, we are held hostage to the prices the drug companies are charging.
Each drug company in America seems to give away more than a billion dollars annually to every venture that comes up, and it's not just for charity.
When companies are able to afford to shell out those kind of dollars, I say they are charging too much for their product.

[lastrep]

also lilly employee wrote:

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No union bashers because no union was allowed to form at lilly. This was a big story a number of years ago. Lilly employees wanted to install a union so that this downsizing and outsourcing would not happen. But boys on the top floor who show up to work once a month did everything they could to not make a union possible.

Very few employees wanted a union. That's the reason there was no union. A union wouldn't have kept the company from outsourcing, only made it happen faster. Ford, GM, and Chrysler had unions, where are they?

[MD Denver]

LynnMarie wrote:

Pretty soon there will be no jobs in America for the middle-class family.
Nurses are not exempt from this. Last year, a congresswomen, can't think of her name, tried to bring in 90,000 nurses from overseas. It didn't pass, but I do know that somehow nurses from the Phillipines are showing up at hospitals and working for a third of the money, and probably with no benefits.
There is not a nurse shortage, as hospitals and our government want you to believe. There are more than 450,000 registered nurses 'not practicing' because hospitals pay us too little money and give us too many patients. The liability we face is horrendous if we make a med mistake because we have to rush around and not able to give each patient the care and attention we used to. We are just human beings, not machines.
We come out of college with $50,000 in student loans, and interest can make this $50,000 double in just 10 years.
The college courses a nurse has to take in this day and age would make you think we are training to become doctors. I kid you not.
And for this we earn anywhere from $40,000 to $45,000 annually, if we're lucky. Plus, take 28% of taxes out of that. Heck, illegal aliens are earning that, what with the $32,000 in benefits they receive from Indiana in welfare, free lunches for their kids, free medical insurance, free schooling, and their live-in boyfriends getting paid in cash.
In the past, I've seen some crockety, grumpy people state, "All the nurses seem to stand around and chit-chat". If anyone sees that happen it is because we are trying to take a break (but we have to stay around the patients to do this) or get our breath, or, they are a group of student nurses who are waiting for their next instructions.
There are many modes of care the student nurses cannot do without an experienced nurse by their side, so they have to wait around.
One thing we must demand if the drug companies like Lilly are going to outsource jobs overseas, our dear government must let American citizens start purchasing their medicine from Canada and other countries too. Because right now, we are held hostage to the prices the drug companies are charging.
Each drug company in America seems to give away more than a billion dollars annually to every venture that comes up, and it's not just for charity.
When companies are able to afford to shell out those kind of dollars, I say they are charging too much for their product.

There is some small amount of truth but
your education as a nurse is NOTHING like a doctor's so please get a clue! Truely educated,
motivated nurses can evolve into management or
know that a true commitment cannot be put into a dollar amount just as a MD cannot! How much $$ are you making now?? I bet nothing..........

[Langamer]

This is just a cog in the machine of globalization that will usher in the North American Union by bringing down the middle class even more.

Corporate greed and exploitation knows no bounds.

www.infowars.com

[Nate]

As Lilly and other corporations eliminate living-wage jobs by outsourcing, America will become like so many other countries: a very small, wealthy minority controlling business and government, and a huge near-poverty working class. There will be no middle class as we have known it. It is a form of class warfare that Americans are conditioned not to discuss or address.

[InTegRiTee33]

Speaking of Lilly outsourcing...how about trying to do your job...calling the helpdesk, only to find that you just submitted a trouble ticket that automatically transferred to INDIA and you're not going to get an answer until 24-48 hours later...IF AT ALL!!!!
It's ridiculous! If "metrics matter" someone needs to quantitatively track the unproductivity that occurs when employees aren't able to get access to systems or resolutions to computer problems in a timely fashion!

[Steve]

surfing USA wrote:

<quoted text>Or perhaps it is because employees are reading the paper and TOPIX online while they should be working.

Aren't you supposed to be cleaning your room in your mom's basement?

[JHT]

just seeing what others are saying

[saddened]

This deeply saddens me. I am a single mother with no college degree. I have worked at Lilly twice through a Staffing Service and recently was offered a position as a contract employee. I thought this was a great opportunity. If I could just get my foot in the door, I could have a shot at a career, but for my career path, there is no longer an opportunity for a career. I'm getting too old to just be starting a career. Guess I know I'll need to save my pennies and learn as much as I can so I can be a highly trained and effective employee - elsewhere.

[How Original]

It occurs to me that a CEO and upper management that cannot come up with a business model to flourish in the United States are being grossly over-rated and paid. I mean how original is outsourcing? It is a band-aid and another short term fix and shows absolutely no originality or business savvy. You get what you pay for and in this instance Eli Lilly got the shaft.

[Vision Whaaa]

It is amazing that they can do so many renovations here, put new chairs in enclaves and pretty up their lobby yet they quietly push people out of their jobs to save money. If you want to keep a job here you have to play the game and support their outsourcing efforts. "We are doing it not with big, flashy announcements of reduction of 5,000 heads," hmmm.... they want to save face is what it comes down to. Today it is just another company that now has greed in its veins. The old vision Colonel Eli had is gone. It is very sad. I can't believe that this company never laid anyone off during the depression and now they are making the news on outsourcing their jobs. Colonel Eli cared a great deal for Indianapolis. Now they just want to give money to plaster their name so Lilly will be a name you have heard rather than a name that is a company that has high respect from the community, the government, the employees and the patients as it used to. There used to be a high regard for the company and now it is hard to come across many employees that are happy with the company they work for. They try to have open forums to talk yet those that are the ones that need to talk are too afraid to talk fearing their own jobs. You have to play the game excellent here, not just good or even great.

[Ya Gotta Wonder]

lastrep wrote:

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Most people posting about Lilly have no idea what they are talking about. The people that post that they are never going to take a Lilly drug
will cry a different tune if confronted with Sepsis, for example. They complain about the people from India being hired at Lilly, but they don't bother to get an education like that of the foreign employees. They claim that the foreign hires make less money. The foreign employees are notdumb, they knew how much they are worth to Lilly before coming over here.

Hey doofus, Xigris, the drug developed to fight Sepsis is produced by Lilly thru a contractor, not directly by Lilly employees.

[How Original]

lastrep wrote:

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Tell me Mr. Schwab, would you hold a stock in a company that you were convinced was going down the tubes?
Don't know much about cutting your losses do you?

Depends on how the stock was acquired hon... If it was purchased through my funds then yes I would unload it, if it was given as global shares at a strike price in the 70s then no you just shred it. BTW, thank god I divested most of mine three years ago.

[JPS]

Here comes China, here come China, right down Communist lane. Outsourcing American jobs....Merry Christmas!

[Hoosier Pete]

Remember that alot of the jobs outsourced here in Indy are using local/American labor. That is not a bad thing. They are doing the job just as good and saving the company money so they can be competitive and stay afloat. Everybody keeps recalling the "glory" years for Lilly employees where they used to get everything under the sun handed to them.........where have you guys been? That stuff is over for all kinds of company's in America. Wake up. I guess everybody would be much happier if Lilly kept everything the way it has been and then have to close or be bought out.