Caste System Topix in India

[Peace - UK]

http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/T7I5SIN6E ...

So much has been said in that topic by the people.

Peace within self, harmony in the home, then the town, then the country, then the world. Move on without hatred and love expresses itself in the character. It will be noticed by the people. That is the solid base and can not happen in few months...have patience. In the end the people have to build the country together. All colours of people...side by side respecting each other's faiths and dont extinguish the light of Divinity... No two ways to it.

[Peace - UK]

A child who brings forward the fear of strict teachers and strict parents can have difficulty while dealing with authorities when even grown up and in totally different surroundings. This makes them react with the current authorities and other people in a way they would have reacted with strict teachers and parents if they had enough will power that time.....forgetting that these are not the same people and they dont even know the man's past. And so called low caste or low class person will not feel safe in lots of enviroments due to the past fear which is brought forward in his mind.

So what I am trying to say is that soon after birth, to feed in this hatred about India's caste and class system etc can not be beneficial and is truely dangerous in fact.

India is dealing with the new modern world and we all love peace and unity. I know that India is trying and needs to carry on the good work but much faster these days as we already have many low caste and mistreated grown ups in the society and surely they carry some anger. Hinduism also has answers. It is not the pass time of the rich and well placed only.

[NISHIKANT WAGHMARE]

Vision India: Together We Can !
By: Nishikant Waghmare
As Indians we must have one motto: "One People! One Nation ! One India!" Now, let us look back at the Indian society. In villages where 81% of Indians live untouchability is practiced. Do untouchables get drinking water? Do they socialize like others? Have their Human Rights violations- rapes, beatings, and cold blooded murders stopped? Will they get justice in their lifetime?

The fact is that although a Dalit has made it to the post of the President of India Mr. K. R.Narayannan (1997-2002), but the condition of Dalits remains unchanged. The scourge of untouchbility prevails in India.(60 Minuties the CBS story was anchored By Christine Amanpour in 1999.)

There is no equality in Hinduism. Narrating an incident that happened with Gandhi, Dr. Ambedkar said, " I once went to see Gandhiji. Gandhiji told me that he believed in chaturvarna.'What kind of chaturvarna'? I enquired, pointing towards my hand with the little finger in the bottom and thumb on the top or this way – with the palm lying flat on the surface of the table and fingers lying side by side. What do you mean? By the Chaturvarna? Where does it begin and where does it end?' I asked Gandhiji. Gandhiji could not reply."

Commenting on the contribution of the so-called lower castes, Ambedkar further stated, "The Hindus wanted the Vedas and they sent for Vyasa, who was not a caste Hindu. The Hindus wanted an epic and they sent of Valmiki who was an untouchable. The Hindus wanted a Constitution, and they sent for me."

I hope all political parties must think big. Otherwise there in no future left for future generations. All leaders must forego their egos and work together for the development of India. It is my hope and prayer that we will always live a happy, and peaceful life based on non-violence, truth, equality, love, and compassion as taught to us by Buddha.

India has the men and women to rise to the challenge and ensure a future of racial harmony. A clever person cannot achieve self-realization, which comes only to a wise person. Wisdom and compassion is the way forward.

Nishikant waghmare, Mumbai.

[NISHIKANT WAGHMARE]

Embracing a religion to restore self-esteem
by Dr Ananda W.P. Guruge, Lanka Daily News, June 20, 2007
At a rally held in Mumbai recently to mark the 50th anniversary of Dr. K. Ambedkar's embracing of Buddhism, a mass conversion of nomadic tribal community took place. Dr. Ananda W.P. Guruge an international Buddhist activist who participated in the event as a special guest gives his impressions.
Los Angeles, CA (USA)-- In my capacity as Vice-president of the World Fellowship of Buddhists, President of the World Buddhist University Council, Patron of the European Buddhist Union and Dean of Academic Affairs of the University of the West, California, USA, I had the privilege of being invited to participate as a special guest in the celebration of the fiftieth anniversary of the conversion to Buddhism of Babasaheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedakar, organised under the leadership of Honourable Ramdas Athawale, Member of Parliament.
<< Dr. Ambedkar: Part of the crowd that thronged the golden jubilee to mark Dr. Ambedkar's embracing of Buddhism. Courtesy: Frontline
The celebration Committee comprised Ven. Rahul Bodhi Maha Thera, Working President, Ven. Ayupal Thera Secretary General, Mr.Nishikant Waghmare Vice-President and International Coordinator, Mr. Vijay Kamble Treasurer, and Messrs.
Arjun Dangle, and Avinash Kamble, Ms. Kalpana Saroj, Dr.Rajendra Gavai, Vice-presidents. With my longstanding friendly relationship with Indian Buddhist leaders and scholars, I expected the event to be a signal success. But what I saw and experienced in Mumbai on this occasion exceeded all my expectations.

The papers presented were of exceptional quality and the exchange of views which ensued proved to be most instructive and stimulating. I had the opportunity to address the Conference during the inaugural session.
I complimented the organisers on their perspicacity to mark the auspicious occasion with an international conference to evaluate the magnificent role, which Dr. Ambedkar has played in his exemplary life of dedication to the good and the welfare of humanity.
I said, "It was an eminent Sri Lankan Buddhist leader, Dr. Gunapala Malalasekera, who, in Nepal the land of the Buddha's birth in 1956 at the General Conference of the World Fellowship of Buddhists, declared that Babasaheb Ambedkar was a veritable Bodhisattva. A bodhisattva in the widely held Buddhist concept is one who enables others to gain salvation.
This indeed has been the role of Babasaheb Ambedakr. His influence over India is as strong today fifty years after his death as it was when he gave the new nation its Republican Constitution and showed the depressed castes to regain their human dignity by turning to the noble teachings of the Buddha.
The land of the Buddha which had barely two lakhs of Buddhists when it gained independence has an estimated Buddhist population of around fifteen million.
Nishikant Waghmare,Mumbai

[NISHIKANT WAGHMARE]

My Dear all,

Please celebrate forgiveness:

In Buddhism, forgiveness is seen as a practice to prevent harmful emotions from causing havoc on one's mental well-being: "In contemplating the law of karma, we realise that it is not a matter of seeking revenge but of practising metta or loving kindness, mudita, upekkha and karuna to avoid generating resentment, and then seek forgiveness. If we haven't forgiven, we keep creating an identity around our pain, and that is what is reborn. That is what suffers".

Jesus Christ, when being crucified prayed to God to forgive his tormentors as they "know not what they do". The concept of confession and seeking absolution, and ending prayers by seeking forgiveness and the Lord's blessings are applications of the principle of forgiveness.

In Islam, Allah is described as "the most forgiving". Jews observe a Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur. Just prior to Yom Kippur, Jews will ask forgiveness of those they have wronged during the year.

Nishikant Waghmare, Mumbai.

[NISHIKANT WAGHMARE]

"I am making a statement of support and sympathy for the heroic efforts of the Buddhist Monks...... "

My Dear Friends of Peace,

I extent my support and solidarity with the recent peaceful movement for democracy in Burma. I fully support their call for freedom and democracy and take this opportunity to appeal to freedom-loving people all over the world to support such non-violent movements. Moreover, I wish to convey my sincere appreciation and admiration to the large number of fellow Buddhists monks for advocating democracy and freedom in Burma.

As a practicing Buddhist from Mumbai,India and as many as Indian population, "unexpectedly" however, gave their vote for Buddhism which was ranked second as the principal religion in the country. BBC Survay said. I appeal all my brothers and sisters all over world AND to the members of the military regime who believe in Buddhism to act in accordance with the sacred Dhamma in the spirit of compassion and non-violence.

I pray for the success of this peaceful movement and the early release of Nobel Peace Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi.

I am making a statement of support and sympathy for the heroic efforts of the Buddhist Monks, Nuns, Students, and all the Burmese Lay people who are peacefully protesting against the injustice and oppression of the present government of Myanmar.

It is very confusing and distressing to witness a government which claims to respect the Buddhist religion react to a peaceful protest in such a violent and brutal way.

I have always held the Sangha in Burma with great respect. I ask the present government to listen to the Sangha and to seek a way of reconciliation in accord with the Dhamma which will be for the welfare and happiness of all.

I send all my blessings to the peaceful protesters and my compassion to the Government of Myanmar which has strayed so far from the wisdom and compassion of the Lord Buddha.

Wisdom and compassion -The way forward !

May peace prevail in Myanmmar !

May peace prevail on earth !

Yours in the Dhamma,

Nishikant Waghmare" Dhammadutta"
Mumbai-India.October 3, 2007.

[Nishikant Waghmare]

Subject: Dalits are denied right to Food: Report today's DNA Mumbai.November 3, 2007.
My dear Editors, Wire Agencies:
PTI,UNI,AFP,Reuters and Bloomberg.
In a country, where everybody is supposed to have equal rights and opportunities, where as every day we read in news papers that " Dalits are denied right to Food: Report today's DNA Mumbai November 3, 2007 page13,I am sorry to state that every day there is some News Item or TV channel report on dalits atrocity, when we the people of India as a civil society will change our mindset and treat all human beings as equal and give them dignity.
A Nation of more than 1.15 Billion People, where Untouchables(Dalits)are treated as animals, they have no right despites policies for social inclusiveness and equality, those belonging to the upper castes are still at the top of the social order and the dalits are at the bottom of the heap, With disparity and their right to food, water, education, temple entry, many Dalit families are facing starvation in India.
Globalisation has brought nations closer. It has triggered IT revolution, racism is a new social issue the world has come to debate. Slowly the issue of caste too will become just as debatable. India will soon emerge as a formidable world economic power, applauded and celebrated, the country will also have become a subject of social auditing.
Although the practice of "Untouchability" was abolished in 1950, it remains and is very much alive in India. The caste system in India is over 2,000 years old and is tied with the religion of Hinduism, so it is not going down easy. India has one of the world's largest democracies but the "Untouchables" do not generally feel that they have been given fair treatment.
There is no nation on earth that Human beings are treated as animal due to practice of caste system. This way we cannot develop as a Nation if there is no social peace, justice and social economic. Our civil society as a whole with a problem of inequality and oppression faced by a Dalits the most vulnerable section of our society. India cannot truly prosper and progress unless these issues are addressed with justice.
Our UPA Government's Common Minimum Programme wish to give Humane Face to underprivileged people of India and better life to all citizens by 2020.. Independence India @ 60Dr.Manmohan Singh, became the first sitting Indian Prime Minister to openly acknowledge the parallel between the practice of "Untouchability" and the Crime of Apartheid you described. "Untouchability is not just Social Discrimination; it is a Blot on Humanity."
Ambedkar, was the first person in India to point out these unpleasant facts. That is why he became the most hated person in India, while Gandhi was elevated as Mahatma. We leave it to history to pronounce its judgment on Untouchability, therefore, is not confined exclusively to the Untouchable (Dalits).
The reason for the success of India's multicultural society is that there is no glass ceiling. Everyone, whatever his religion or language, can aspire to the topmost position. Thus, India today has a Hindu President, a Muslim Vice-President, a Sikh Prime Minister, a untouchable Chief Justice of India and a Christian as the President of the ruling Congress Party.
The human history will forever remember Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar as the emancipator if the millions of downtrodden people languishing for centuries in ignorance and all-pervasive destitution. It was Dr.Ambedkar whose singular and relentless fight against the oppression and exploitation bred by the age-old caste system and untouchability that became the source of inspiration to millions of his followers world-over and showed them the path of liberation.
NISHIKANT WAGHMARE

[Nishikant Waghmare]

"Buddha is a person who is awake, and

Buddhism is the philosophy of awakening.

The Buddhists are not God-worshippers,

But people determined to enlighten themselves

And become wide awake."--The Buddha.

May All Beings Be Happy!

May Peace Prevail On Earth!!!

With Much Metta, Yours in the Dhamma,

Nishikant Waghmare,"Dhammadutta

[one india no no no no]

India is india becasye of many caste many religion and many culture and many luanguage existing togather. This is why india is india. HIndus should not only tolerate muslims and christians but also accomate muslims and christians. high caste not only tolerate but also acommodate low caste. Wnenever some one who has quality he can tolerate and accommodate every one no matter what differents he or she has is real high caste. what is the point india has only one culture one religion who wants that. Be practical.

[QCC]

QUOTA DOC MILIONARE!! Quota Doc Millionare based on real life story of DrRameshBhnage(Pune) REmeber-Quota and QUack-- a deadly combo indeed!!
THis gives you a clear insight in to these quota criminals'mind.These Quota Criminals wont get higher caste girl to marry or even to be grilfreind.so these middle aged 50ish quota doctors working in prestigious hospitals uses young or middle aged women COMING TO HIM as there pray! Most of quota doctors are smokers,habitual druncard or drug addict.Clearly it will knock down there virility for sure but problem is not that.Problem lies in THE Head!! By sxually abusing higheR caste women and/or childern,These quota crimianls will satisfy there EGO that they abused one or more highre caste woman and/or childern.This is pretty common psychological backwash when they feel fustated by competition from younger,competenet,more civilised and better looking merit doctor in the same hospitals.they have been taught to belive that they are margnialsed by higher caste professional which is clearly a myth as without QUOTA benefits,these criminals will be driving auto for sure!!

[MONU]

SONU

[DrRameshBhnage]

Think RAHUL GANDHI should marrry a QUOTA GAL from Pune!!
I wanna QUOTA even in railway bookings.In fcat wann QUOTA EXPRESS from Satara to Delhi via Pune--Only quota people can travel and pantry car will have nothing but dead cow meat!!

[RAN]

The problem explained
Upper caste Indians were,have been dominated Indians Politics and Business and all other areas that we can think of, Now all of a sudden after the Independence they are saying that we are equal and telling Lower caste Indians to compete with them.
There are Middle Class people (41% of the population) and the Below poverty line people(41.6% of 115 crore) in India and they consist 82.6%, In that more than 90% of the people are Lower caste Indians /Outcasts. So the remaining 10-18 % are the Elite caste ,35% are from Upper caste India and 90% of them fit in Elite and Middle class.
Since being able to offered to Quality education , Quality of living and economic Feasibility they can and do achieve more.Other have to strive because India is the Most Overpopulated poor country that nobody can help the poor, Now there is no more room for the Underdeveloped population of India to prosper .( No more arable land.No more jobs to offer by the Govt. private sector is very Tiny and it cant help the poor Indians etc).
So the poor has to remain poor and has to suffer from not able to fight for a place in the good position in the social structure.Since the person never able to get the equal opportunities to compete,He remain poor, This is a vicious circle.
Now there is no open discrimination and job reservations and etc.but Job reservations wont help even .01% of the population so how does it makes a change in a country that has 115 crore people.
My point here is Since there is Huge Inequality in Living standard,Quality of education, Wealth, economic, Political power distribution there is no possibility of prepared well enough to compete and grab a position with the Upper caste /Elite caste people and have the Social Equality .
So the Government /Peoples offering of "Equal opportunity "wont come in to Play since they cannot compete well enough.
E.g :- If a person cannot get a Engineering degree because he belongs to Below poverty line/Lower Middle class people how can he compete with Upper /Elite class people(consist mostly of Upper caste people)
E.g 2:- Australia has imposed some new laws to limit the immigration of the Indian and Asian people in the name of "Not belong to the Same work environment" or something to that extent.How can they achieve that if they don't have that good Infrastructure and belong to a third world country. So the talented Indians and Chinese cannot get a job but rather a Person from wealthy Europe/Other developed country can get that job even though his native country can provide him good salary and Quality of Living.
So here the person from the poor standards of living denied an opportunity on the above said RULE.
(APPLY THIS LOGIC TO INDIAN CASTE SYSTEM)
The Upper class/Elite class living comfortably well enough and so why they would share their resources with Lower caste Indians(The People of some other Ethnic group)
Making them able to compete with the Elite/Upper middle class has 3 problems.
1, Increased competetion and less change to win a chance.
2. decreased control over the scare resources/Opportunities.
3, No Population to work for them for lower wages
and Economically and Financially all the people of India cannot achieve the High standard of Living the Elite/Upper middle class Indians that will drag down these people to Lower standards of Living.
NO RACE/ETHNIC group of people would like to have more competition from others for the limited resources we have on the Earth and the control over the Lower class people.Just because we have limited resources and the Upper Class/Elite class--caste people have got Hold of these resources and Control over other people in the History and Now nobody wants to share their Inherited resources with Lower class/Caste people.

[RAN]

This is as Simple as this.
I have 5 houses and 10000 hectares of land from my forefathers( They have won the war with Aborigines of this land ) So I will live the Luxurious life and help of My community/race and not the aborigines of this Land.I am the Rightful owner of this property. why should i help them with the profits i made from this land?( I am working to get this profit in the firstplace),(I don't like your color/Physical feature/Stature/language/cultu re anyway?
He can compete with me for Job legally with me now.I don't care you had good Quality of Education, Health facilities , Poverty or whatever.I don't want you to have reservations just because you have poor standards of Living...
So there is no solution for the poor/Lowe caste /African race /blacks problems because they are left behind in the race of grabbing the resources and we are ran out of new sources of resources ..We don't care for their problems because they are not my people and I don't have any relations (Marritial /Social and other) with those people.Let them handle their own issues themselves and I don't want them to complain about my People.this is what Upper class ARYANS/Indians/European/Upper class Aboriginals/Well being human being around the world says.
These rules/way of thinking does apply to majority of the Humans but NOT ALL OF THEM.This is worldwide problem.
Thanks for reading.
RANJIT M- Bangalore- Lower Middle caste/Class Indian.
My MOTTO- Life is so short and Unfair for everybody - make the most of it.

[RAN]

The problem explained

Upper caste Indians were,have been dominated Indians Politics and Business and all other areas that we can think of, Now all of a sudden after the Independence they are saying that we are equal and telling Lower caste Indians to compete with them.

There are Middle Class people (41% of the population) and the Below poverty line people(41.6% of 115 crore) in India and they consist 82.6%, In that more than 90% of the people are Lower caste Indians /Outcasts. So the remaining 10-18 % are the Elite caste ,35% are from Upper caste India and 90% of them fit in Elite and Middle class.

Since being able to offered to Quality education , Quality of living and economic Feasibility they can and do achieve more.Other have to strive because India is the Most Overpopulated poor country that nobody can help the poor, Now there is no more room for the Underdeveloped population of India to prosper .( No more arable land.No more jobs to offer by the Govt. private sector is very Tiny and it cant help the poor Indians etc).

So the poor has to remain poor and has to suffer from not able to fight for a place in the good position in the social structure.Since the person never able to get the equal opportunities to compete,He remain poor, This is a vicious circle.

Now there is no open discrimination and job reservations and etc.but Job reservations wont help even .01% of the population so how does it makes a change in a country that has 115 crore people.

My point here is Since there is Huge Inequality in Living standard,Quality of education, Wealth, economic, Political power distribution there is no possibility of prepared well enough to compete and grab a position with the Upper caste /Elite caste people and have the Social Equality .

So the Government /Peoples offering of "Equal opportunity "wont come in to Play since they cannot compete well enough.

E.g :- If a person cannot get a Engineering degree because he belongs to Below poverty line/Lower Middle class people how can he compete with Upper /Elite class people(consist mostly of Upper caste people)

E.g 2:- Australia has imposed some new laws to limit the immigration of the Indian and Asian people in the name of "Not belong to the Same work environment" or something to that extent.How can they achieve that if they don't have that good Infrastructure and belong to a third world country. So the talented Indians and Chinese cannot get a job but rather a Person from wealthy Europe/Other developed country can get that job even though his native country can provide him good salary and Quality of Living.

So here the person from the poor standards of living denied an opportunity on the above said RULE.

(APPLY THIS LOGIC TO INDIAN CASTE SYSTEM)
The Upper class/Elite class living comfortably well enough and so why they would share their resources with Lower caste Indians(The People of some other Ethnic group)

Making them able to compete with the Elite/Upper middle class has 3 problems.

1, Increased competetion and less change to win a chance.
2. decreased control over the scare resources/Opportunities.
3, No Population to work for them for lower wages

and Economically and Financially all the people of India cannot achieve the High standard of Living the Elite/Upper middle class Indians that will drag down these people to Lower standards of Living.

NO RACE/ETHNIC group of people would like to have more competition from others for the limited resources we have on the Earth and the control over the Lower class people.Just because we have limited resources and the Upper Class/Elite class--caste people have got Hold of these resources and Control over other people in the History and Now nobody wants to share their Inherited resources with Lower class/Caste people.

[RAN2]

This is as Simple as this.

I have 5 houses and 10000 hectares of land from my forefathers( They have won the war with Aborigines of this land ) So I will live the Luxurious life and help of My community/race and not the aborigines of this Land.I am the Rightful owner of this property. why should i help them with the profits i made from this land?( I am working to get this profit in the firstplace),(I don't like your color/Physical feature/Stature/language/cultu re anyway?

He can compete with me for Job legally with me now.I don't care you had good Quality of Education, Health facilities , Poverty or whatever.I don't want you to have reservations just because you have poor standards of Living...

So there is no solution for the poor/Lowe caste /African race /blacks problems because they are left behind in the race of grabbing the resources and we are ran out of new sources of resources ..We don't care for their problems because they are not my people and I don't have any relations (Marritial /Social and other) with those people.Let them handle their own issues themselves and I don't want them to complain about my People.this is what Upper class ARYANS/Indians/European/Upper class Aboriginals/Well being human being around the world says.

These rules/way of thinking does apply to majority of the Humans but NOT ALL OF THEM.

Thanks for reading.

RANJIT M- Bangalore- Lower Middle caste/Class Indian.
My MOTTO- Life is so short and Unfair for everybody - make the most of it.