Israeli Ethiopian birth control ignites debate

Feb 18, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The State

Accusations that Israel deliberately tried to curb birth rates among Ethiopian immigrants have reopened a debate over discrimination against the group - highlighting the state's uneasy relationship with a community that has yet to fully settle into the Israeli mainstream.

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Anonymous

Philippines

#1 Feb 19, 2013
Discrimination is never good whatever the action and form it takes.

“Liberalism”

Since: Oct 12

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#2 Feb 19, 2013
Israel need to abolish racism and need to become liberal country as USA and to join eu-nato-euro.

Otherwise, not have future.
Truth

UK

#3 Feb 19, 2013
That will only happen if the Un stays united and slam economic sanctions on Israel like they did to Apartheid South Africa .
Atheist

Ramat Gan, Israel

#5 Feb 19, 2013
Truth wrote:
That will only happen if the Un stays united and slam economic sanctions on Israel like they did to Apartheid South Africa .
Some racism does not mean apartheid you hater.
Atheist

Ramat Gan, Israel

#6 Feb 19, 2013
european2012 wrote:
Israel need to abolish racism and need to become liberal country as USA and to join eu-nato-euro.
Otherwise, not have future.
give me a break there is just as much racism throughout Western society, in football, religion, government, schools, even on the st plenty of evidence.

I am not denying it is a problem in Israel but you are so self righteous really believing that you are in a liberal nice society. Give yourself another Nobel Peace Prize for Nothing along with Obama and Arafat one of the more evil people of last century.
I have been throughout Europe and lived in some places or at least spent long periods there you are in denial. I have experienced racism but more often anti-semitism. I do not look Jewish so do not have that problem anymore.
There is a reason why nationalist groups are growing around Europe often to protest the immigrant violence but often just pure racism. Neo-Nazis are marching in the streets and left wing facists are doing the same, not to mention the Islamists.

An Ethiopian WOMAN non the less was just elected by the newest and second biggest political party in the country.

I admit there is racism in Israel from and towards many parts of society. Frankly IMO the only sector not really targeted is the Rich White Elite. The Secular Labor Community to take race out of the equation.
Being white you also cant go to most Arab areas so its not so clear. while its a pretty racist society IMO, on a regular night out with friend i end up with Jews Muslims, Christians, Atheists, People from many nations some Israel, Palestinian or foreigners often Europeans also(basically people of multiple races) and it is very rare, whether we disagree on certain things, for violence to break out or racism in any way.

If the article is true (no reason to doubt at least parts of it) that is very disturbing must speak to a friend of mine (female Ethiopian whose family carried out these missions in the first place saving many lives).

Many people i know are working in low paying jobs, welcome to Israel. but while Ashkenasim run the countries in the forefront remember most government institutions if you need their assistance are controlled by Sepharadi Jews. This is not meant to come off as a race issue just a reality here. Try going to the Ministry of Interior in Israel for example. All Sephardim. Very nice people known some of them for years but Sephardi non-the-less.
Atheist

Ramat Gan, Israel

#7 Feb 19, 2013
european2012 wrote:
Israel need to abolish racism and need to become liberal country as USA and to join eu-nato-euro.
Otherwise, not have future.
Forgot to mention that this is the Middle East so very culturally different than Europe so there is not much 'political correctness' it is called DUGRI something often hard to get used to as a Westerner but people say what they think and how it is.
Mamo

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Feb 20, 2013
In the first place, I remember when some Israeli Jewish used to come to my area seemingly to visit and teach them the Torah, which in actuality was to promise them the land of milk and honey. So finally, starting from 1965 to 1999, the I Israeli managed to import like that of the African slavery if the past era 150,000 of these illiterate and naive people to be used and abused like that of the African slaves in the US. I do not know why people are surprised in what these holocaust left over are doing to the people they bought and imported seemingly trying to be to that of their benefactor and savior the US, which other wise, they would not have existed. Once has to witness, how these racist Jewish are doing. They have learned a good lesson form their masters the Nazi and they are duplicating and applying it to the Ethiopian, just because of they are black. I assume the next thing that might take place would be to exterminate them completely and blame them for their disappearance, as they are doing right now. The very few, who selected are only a window dressing to show to the world, how Israelis are benevolent are. The fact is that most of the men, who are in the army are just a canon fodders and their lives is just as much the same as that if the Jewish were in the Nazi ear. But then, they are a good student and they are doing exactly as they were suppose to have been treated, which I doubt it, since the supposed holocaust they went through. Just wait and see, this is just the tip of the iceberg. The next news will be killing them slowly.
Aliroger1

Toronto, Canada

#12 Feb 20, 2013
ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID RACIST SUPREMACIST STATE. IT IS THE FOURTH REICH

THE SOLUTION BASED ON VALUES IS THIS:

One state, secular democratic, with equality for all, one person, one vote. It is that simple!
Henry

Los Angeles, CA

#13 Feb 21, 2013
Truth wrote:
That will only happen if the Un stays united and slam economic sanctions on Israel like they did to Apartheid South Africa .
Are you stoned, stupid, or both? I say the latter
Belay

Ethiopia

#14 Feb 21, 2013
I wonder why there is so much racism in the socalled developed nations and where is the civilization if they fail to understand and recognize equality!For that matter it is Israel;who should be more human than them? At least most of the underdeveloped world;especially Africa don't espouse a prejudice against others as most people think of this as being something unfair to do so!

Having said that,Ethiopia is by far naturally suitable to live than Israel despite the underdevelopment which we are tackling it now! So I would like to remind any Ethio-Israeli of moving back home instead of being treated inhumanly!
Atheist

Israel

#15 Feb 21, 2013
Mamo wrote:
In the first place, I remember when some Israeli Jewish used to come to my area seemingly to visit and teach them the Torah, which in actuality was to promise them the land of milk and honey. So finally, starting from 1965 to 1999, the I Israeli managed to import like that of the African slavery if the past era 150,000 of these illiterate and naive people to be used and abused like that of the African slaves in the US. I do not know why people are surprised in what these holocaust left over are doing to the people they bought and imported seemingly trying to be to that of their benefactor and savior the US, which other wise, they would not have existed. Once has to witness, how these racist Jewish are doing. They have learned a good lesson form their masters the Nazi and they are duplicating and applying it to the Ethiopian, just because of they are black. I assume the next thing that might take place would be to exterminate them completely and blame them for their disappearance, as they are doing right now. The very few, who selected are only a window dressing to show to the world, how Israelis are benevolent are. The fact is that most of the men, who are in the army are just a canon fodders and their lives is just as much the same as that if the Jewish were in the Nazi ear. But then, they are a good student and they are doing exactly as they were suppose to have been treated, which I doubt it, since the supposed holocaust they went through. Just wait and see, this is just the tip of the iceberg. The next news will be killing them slowly.
is anything you write true?
It was Ethiopians who organized and carried out the operation to bring their people to Israel. I know the family of one of main figures. Are you saying that they were racist against themselves?
If the article is correct how many people do you really believe are involved in this and how many Israelis do you believe knew about this.
There are terrible things happening throughout the world but its interesting that when anything happens in Israel firstly all Jews are blamed and then compared to Nazis.
How many Jewish Israelis do you really believe would support this???
I for one know thousands and while i can think of those who may not like Arabs, Religious even Jews i cannot think of one who would discriminate against Africans because of their color.
Going back to previous comment i have realized that the discrimination in Israel is primarily based on point of view on critical issues rather than how someone looks.
Atheist

Israel

#16 Feb 21, 2013
Belay wrote:
I wonder why there is so much racism in the socalled developed nations and where is the civilization if they fail to understand and recognize equality!For that matter it is Israel;who should be more human than them? At least most of the underdeveloped world;especially Africa don't espouse a prejudice against others as most people think of this as being something unfair to do so!
Having said that,Ethiopia is by far naturally suitable to live than Israel despite the underdevelopment which we are tackling it now! So I would like to remind any Ethio-Israeli of moving back home instead of being treated inhumanly!
I have no idea of the standard of living where you are from but while Israel is not the best it is pretty high up there. Socialized medicine, good pension fund, also help.

With political correctness, where you cant speak about any major issues in-case you might offend someone, racism and chasms in the society will grow. For example in some places in the West when a white targets a black person it is racism, while more often than not when its the other way around this factor is ignored.

While i never judge someone personally by the color of their skin EVER,(I look like a European, while my brother looks like an Arab for example and he has been stopped because of how he looks while i was ignored) I do believe based on evidence that people who come from different parts of the world often have different strengths and weaknesses based on not only their location but also on their genes.
If this is the reality is it not racism to ignore differences as well as similarities. These kind of subjects IMO are not spoken in society for fear of discrimination even though there is plenty of evidence from all sides of the equation. In sports would be the prime example where often people from different continents succeed at different subjects.

Most of the underdeveloped world has seen massacres between sects and in the majority you can see blatant racism, religious discrimination, and lack of rights for women. I am not saying your country is like that but many are. Israel at least in the Jewish areas (it is dangerous to go to most Arab areas if you are not arab) is one of the safest if not the safest place that i have ever been in the world. Never get mugged, attacked, anything in most places at any time of day or night. Whether male or female.
Belay

Ethiopia

#17 Feb 21, 2013
Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no idea of the standard of living where you are from but while Israel is not the best it is pretty high up there. Socialized medicine, good pension fund, also help.
Obviously,the standard of living in Israel can't be compared with my country however I don't think that is the basic reason why most of the Ethiopian jewish community relocated to Israel.Instead,they have been yearning for generations for the day to see Jerusalem as they believe at heart that they are the decendents of the biblical jews.Fyi,most of them came to Israel leaving so much of their fertile lands on whch they have been living a happy farming life.Do they experience so much of 'the happy,high living standard of Israel? I doubt it?
Atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
With political correctness, where you cant speak about any major issues in-case you might offend someone, racism and chasms in the society will grow. For example in some places in the West when a white targets a black person it is racism, while more often than not when its the other way around this factor is ignored.
While i never judge someone personally by the color of their skin EVER,(I look like a European, while my brother looks like an Arab for example and he has been stopped because of how he looks while i was ignored) I do believe based on evidence that people who come from different parts of the world often have different strengths and weaknesses based on not only their location but also on their genes.
If this is the reality is it not racism to ignore differences as well as similarities. These kind of subjects IMO are not spoken in society for fear of discrimination even though there is plenty of evidence from all sides of the equation. In sports would be the prime example where often people from different continents succeed at different subjects.
Most of the underdeveloped world has seen massacres between sects and in the majority you can see blatant racism, religious discrimination, and lack of rights for women. I am not saying your country is like that but many are. Israel at least in the Jewish areas (it is dangerous to go to most Arab areas if you are not arab) is one of the safest if not the safest place that i have ever been in the world. Never get mugged, attacked, anything in most places at any time of day or night. Whether male or female.
My freind you fail to differentiate racism orchestrated by the governmental institutions from racist individuals.Btw,this is not the first incidence of racism against blacks in Israel.Some years ago,blood donations from Ethiopian jews was thrown out as being something dirty.One can imagine how racist Israelis are from the action of such institutions!
Lool

Upper Darby, PA

#18 Feb 24, 2013
Wow habesha rejected by their fabled tale ahaga they get no respect from anyone do they ? Thank god I'm a cushite (real Egyptian real Ethiopian)
Belay

Ethiopia

#19 Feb 24, 2013
Lool wrote:
Wow habesha rejected by their fabled tale ahaga they get no respect from anyone do they ? Thank god I'm a cushite (real Egyptian real Ethiopian)
Are you some delusional Somali or Eritrean? Believe it or not you have nothing to do with the glorious Egyptian history!
Alex

Mississauga, Canada

#20 Feb 24, 2013
Belay wrote:
<quoted text>Are you some delusional Somali or Eritrean? Believe it or not you have nothing to do with the glorious Egyptian history!
What's wrong with you? Why don't smell the coffee. No one respects Ethiopia only because you are hodam advertising poverty all over the world.
zion2

Germantown, MD

#21 Feb 24, 2013
Alex you SMELL THE COFFEE as you put it here you are with your rants towards ETHIOPIANS AGAIN...... did you know coffee was discovered in Ethiopia.... you are so lost yet funny keep bringing it on... lol

Since: Feb 13

Gojjam,Gondar, wollo, Gurage

#22 Feb 24, 2013
Alex wrote:
<quoted text>What's wrong with you? Why don't smell the coffee. No one respects Ethiopia only because you are hodam advertising poverty all over the world.
What a clueless root eating mujahideen. Don't you know there are tens of thousands of Gurage kids eating out of garbage dumpsters everyday? How could you accuse other Ethiopians for poverty when you are a skirt dressing Ethiopian. You dress skirt and pee like a woman, that is the main difference between you and belay I guess.
Alex

Mississauga, Canada

#23 Feb 24, 2013
zion2 wrote:
Alex you SMELL THE COFFEE as you put it here you are with your rants towards ETHIOPIANS AGAIN...... did you know coffee was discovered in Ethiopia.... you are so lost yet funny keep bringing it on... lol
Good point. If you conclude that I am Ethiopia's lost child, for Ethiopia's honor and self-respect, take me back home. Then make Ethiopia proud.
zion2

Germantown, MD

#24 Feb 24, 2013
Huh what?????? English please

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