Pro-Palestinian activists to make second attempt to break Gaza blockade

Jun 1, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Telegraph.co.uk

Pro-Palestinian activists said they would make a second attempt to break the blockade on Gaza despite the loss of life on Monday.

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Jun 6, 2010
 
Irish and Proud wrote:
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And the murder of Israeli children should also be condemed unequivically!
However Israel murdering palastinian children at a ratio of 250 palistinian children to every Israeli child is wholly and totally unjustifiable, and leaves Israel open to the accusation that they more rerehensible than the evil they are trying to fight.
For the record my arguement is with Israels policy of genocide towards the Palistinians, and its illegal occupation of Palistinian land( although I personally believe that Israel has as much right to a presence in Jeruselem as both Arab and Christians have.
I would ask that you bear in mind that opposition to Israels policy towards palistine not be mistaken for support for anti-semitism,which I deplore with equal vigour.
No one has the right to scapegoat the Jews because of the political decisions of the Israeli government.
I won't surprised you would think that, though you choose to ignore, or rather maybe you simply don't know, many points.
First, many Palestinian children die during hamas using them as human shields.
Second, it's almost impossible that they won't die when people in Gaza uze kindergartens, schools, playgrounds, as places to battle and hige weapons, basically triggering the IDF to hurt those places.
And third, while Israel uses the help of other nations to built security devices, as for alarm systems, protected areas, shelters, things that prefent deaths from happening, the Palestinians use those things to built missiles, and not to protect their own suiciety.
as for the blockade, you find it unjustifide, we don't, poteto potato.

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any phony priks its you ashkanazi non-ethnic russian polish euro-trash jews who dont have a right to an inch there!
Go back to your countries fake jews!
LMAO! You got it backwards.

To begin, it makes no difference which Israelis can be identified as being of mixed heritage with Europeans, Russians, etc., since Israel was established for Jews regardless of whether they are 5% Semitic-Jews to 100% Semitic-Jews. Even if there is only a small population of Israelis which through genetic testing can be identified as maintaining over 90% of their Jewish heritage, it is simply irrelevant to the purpose for which Israel was established, which is to provide Jews, whether part Jewish, Jewish by religion or by Semitic-Jewish heritage. Furthermore, even your basic assumption that European Jews, Russian-Jews, American-Jews, etc., can no longer be considered Semitic-Jews is incorrect. Actually, DNA testing shows that:
"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."

(M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000)
http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48936742.html

MOST RECENT RESEARCH
The findings were that most Jewish communities -- long separated from one another in Europe, North Africa, the Near East and the Arabian Peninsula -- do indeed seem to be genetically similar and closely related to one another, sharing a common geographical origin.

These Jewish communities are more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Semitic populations -– Palestinians, Syrians, and Druze -- than to their neighboring non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora.

The results also indicate a low level of admixture (intermarriage, conversion, rape, etc.) into the gene pool of these various Jewish communities.

Among the Jewish communities sampled, North Africans (Moroccans, etc.) were most closely related to Babylonian (Iraqi) Jews. These populations may best represent the paternal gene pool of the ancient Jewish/Hebrew population dating back to the First Temple period, before the Babylonian exile (approx. 2,500 years ago).

The Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Jewish and Semitic populations. In contrast, the paternal gene pool of Ethiopian Jews more closely resembles that of non-Jewish Ethiopian men.
http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48936742.html

For those Jews who are of the Cohanim (plural of Cohen) family, DNA evidence shows that the Cohanim/Cohen family genetic heritage has remained remarkably intact. In fact, the DNA evidence revealed some “amazing statistics”, namely:
Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today's Cohanim resulted in the highest "paternity-certainty " rate ever recorded in population genetics studies -- a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.
So obviously, despite being separation from their homeland, it is remarkable that DNA indicates that the Jews of the world have overwhelmingly maintained their Semitic heritage. Furthermore, there is now new and exciting DNA evidence for common Jewish origin -- not just among Cohanim, the Priestly Class, but among Jews scattered all over the globe.
http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48937817.html
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I always thought murder was murder,but thank you for clarifiying that for me.I now see with YOUR help,that it is based on percentages(how silling of me).I will have to look up my old teachers and tell them they LIED to me.So now that I know that murder varies,if I ever decide to kill I will remember to kill only 1 or 2,thus the police and righteous people like you will pass me by in order to get a bigger murderer.Thanking you in advance.
P.S...If by chance you can point out a previous posting YOU have made,when YOUR Palestinian buddies have commited murder(ooops sorry)the percentages are to low.I mean when the MINOR incidents occured.That YOU can show me, when YOU were so EAGER and so VOCAL against them for commiting murder (oops sorry,my mistake).I WILL ASK YOUR FORGIVENESS!
I guess I will hold my breath in anticipation,or better still hold my breath till I pass out,which is MORE LIKELY to happen.
How plain can I make this I UNEQUIVICALLY CONDEM ACTS OF MURDER AND TERRORISM!
Therefore i condem suicide bombers, people who fly planes in buildings AND countries such as Israel who engage in preplanned genocide.
Wheras you condem some murders, the ones you decide are justified, while you remain silent on others.
The Isreali embassy in Canada needs a new apologist, oops, I mean spokesperson.
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I won't surprised you would think that, though you choose to ignore, or rather maybe you simply don't know, many points.
First, many Palestinian children die during hamas using them as human shields.
Second, it's almost impossible that they won't die when people in Gaza uze kindergartens, schools, playgrounds, as places to battle and hige weapons, basically triggering the IDF to hurt those places.
And third, while Israel uses the help of other nations to built security devices, as for alarm systems, protected areas, shelters, things that prefent deaths from happening, the Palestinians use those things to built missiles, and not to protect their own suiciety.
as for the blockade, you find it unjustifide, we don't, poteto potato.
We disagree regarding the illegal blockade and the illegal occupation of Palistinian land.
However, I would again reiterate my equal condemnation of Hamas attacks on Israeli towns and villages. I disagree with Israels policy towards the Palistinian people, but I support without reservation the right of the state of Israel to exist within its legally defined border.
I further condem any and all attcks, whether verbal or physical, carried out against Jews anywhere in the world in misguided retaliation for the actions of the state of Israel.
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How plain can I make this I UNEQUIVICALLY CONDEM ACTS OF MURDER AND TERRORISM!
Therefore i condem suicide bombers, people who fly planes in buildings AND countries such as Israel who engage in preplanned genocide.
Wheras you condem some murders, the ones you decide are justified, while you remain silent on others.
The Isreali embassy in Canada needs a new apologist, oops, I mean spokesperson.
Your right as you say I pick and choose.Well you on the other hand mention nations as a whole.No biased there RIGHT!Your such a dipsh*t.As for calling me a JEW,thats your perogative...MICK.Whats new in the IRA?

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We disagree regarding the illegal blockade and the illegal occupation of Palistinian land.
However, I would again reiterate my equal condemnation of Hamas attacks on Israeli towns and villages. I disagree with Israels policy towards the Palistinian people, but I support without reservation the right of the state of Israel to exist within its legally defined border.
I further condem any and all attcks, whether verbal or physical, carried out against Jews anywhere in the world in misguided retaliation for the actions of the state of Israel.
Well at least, for condemning Hamas, proves you're being none-biased.
That's fair enough.
but when you talk blockade, do you realize that letting anything of anything comming and going outside and inside Gaza basically gives a green light to the time of rockets and fear happening again in the south?
people are used to hear all about Gaza, but people forget that there are cities which are 5, 10, 15 minutes from there, who deserve to be also safe.
People also forget that somewhere, inside Gaza, theres a 22 year old boy who's also in "blockade", when did we heard of a "rachel" or a "Marmara" or a "Tali" putting not a Palestinian flag, but a huge picture of Gilad on board?
does he NOT deserve to be free?
does the south NOT deserve to be free?
only in the last days we had "rocket shower" in the south, but everybody were too busy yelling "death to Israel" to notice.
The rocket shower, ironically, presents the exact same proof to why we stop those ships to begin with.
This could almost be amusing if this wasn't so bloody absurd!
do any of the people condemning Israel really KNOWS what it's like to be a southern in this little state?
They can alwyas say "Israeli propaganda" but facts proves they don't know what they talk about, because they don't live the boom sounds, the red color alarm, and they don't know the meaning of having 15 to run for your life, or lying down and cover your head.
Fact is, YOU DON'T KNOW.
so all of those thinking they have preety souls, good for you, but this is not true till you get into our shoes as well.

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Irish and Proud wrote:
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We disagree regarding the illegal blockade and the illegal occupation of Palistinian land.
However, I would again reiterate my equal condemnation of Hamas attacks on Israeli towns and villages. I disagree with Israels policy towards the Palistinian people, but I support without reservation the right of the state of Israel to exist within its legally defined border.
I further condem any and all attcks, whether verbal or physical, carried out against Jews anywhere in the world in misguided retaliation for the actions of the state of Israel.
You like to talk in terms of legalities, however, only if they can be used against Israel. To this end, I'm sure you would agree that it is illegal, as in violation of International Law, to launch rockets into Israel. In fact, Human Rights Watch, in a letter dated November 20, 2008 to Ismail Haniya, Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority in Gaza, and Khaled Mishaal, leader of the Islamic Resistance Movement, told Hamas that rocket and mortar attacks are indeed illegal, which stated:
We recognize that until last week Hamas took efforts to halt rocket attacks by other groups as part of the June 19 cease-fire. However, throughout the cease-fire period OTHER ARMED GROUPS HAVE CONTINUED TO INTERMITTENTLY FIRE ROCKETS FROM GAZA. As the governing authority in the Gaza Strip, it is your responsibility under international law to prevent such attacks, and to arrest and prosecute those who carry them out. We also urge you to take all necessary measures to curb such unlawful attacks whether or not the current cease-fire remains in place or is extended beyond its December 19 deadline. Security forces under your control in Gaza have also demonstrated an ability to curb rocket fire. On at least two occasions, Hamas security personnel arrested people accused of firing rockets. On July 10 at least three members of the Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades were detained for firing rockets. All were later released however, and no charges were brought against them.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/11/20/letter-...

Accordingly, Israel initiated its blockade when Hamas was elected knowing full well that the leaders of this terrorist organization had no intention of living in peaceful coexistence, much less recognizing Israel’s right to exist. Knowing that Hamas was potentially an even greater threat as the elected government of Gaza, Israel decided to institute a blockade to prevent Hamas from importing weapons via the Mediterranean. Predictably, the first thing Hamas did when elected was to seek out and kill members of Fatah, a rival terrorist organization. Although I don't have sympathy for members of Fatah, clearly Hamas' bloodbath against them is evidence that it has no intentions of reforming itself and become a political non-violent movement that would shift focus from carrying out terrorist attacks to one of making peace with Israel. To the contrary, the various statements made by Hamas’ leaders since being elected make it clear that Hamas is nothing more than an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization which is determined to destroy Israel. Again, I refer you to Hamas’ founding charter.

After years of daily rocket attacks (over 6,000 in 4 years), Israel decided that Hamas was too dangerous to allow it to have unfettered access to Mediterranean ports of its choosing. Since Hamas’ intentions are to continue to plan and wage war against Israel, the Israeli government decided that a blockade was necessary as a matter of national security and as a matter of taking steps to protect the Israeli people.

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So, while you will no doubt continue argue that Israel is violating international law, it remains that you will no doubt ignore the numerous actions by Hamas’ that are clear violations of international law. Also, let’s not ignore Hamas’ history of human rights violations. In fact, in 2009 the United Nations accused Hamas of stealing humanitarian aid meant for “Gaza’s destitute population, thousands of whom lost their homes in the recent war between Israel and the Islamist movement.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/m...

Don’t you find it ridiculous and hypocritical to heap condemnation upon Israel for wanting to simply channel humanitarian aid through certain ports as a matter of national security, while ignoring Hamas’ theft of humanitarian aid, which was supposed to go to the very people who you claim are suffering because of the actions of the Israelis. Apparently hypocrites like you don’t mind it if Palestinians suffer as long as they suffer at the hands of their own so-called government (Hamas) instead of the Israelis.

This is why I have very little patience for people like you because you are both ignorant and bias against Israel.

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