Abbott fails to raise boats plan with...

Abbott fails to raise boats plan with SBY

There are 13 comments on the AdelaideNow... story from Oct 15, 2012, titled Abbott fails to raise boats plan with SBY. In it, AdelaideNow... reports that:

OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott has discussed asylum-seeker policy with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, but has again passed up the opportunity to raise his plan of "turning back the boats". Mr Abbott has consistently called for the Australian government to better communicate with Jakarta when it makes foreign policy decisions that ... (more)

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sukitup

Adelaide, Australia

#1 Oct 15, 2012
what a wimp!!!
shhh hush hush

Northcote, Australia

#2 Oct 16, 2012
Funniest thing evah is that as soon as Abbott left the meeting SBY was telling the media all about Abbott's gutless effort!

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#3 Oct 16, 2012
Do any of Australia's leaders at diplomatic talks owe Indonesia a list of what we might do about 'the boats'?

After all, did Indonesia consult Australia before releasing boats in our direction in the first place? They showed from the outset that they couldn't care less about Australia's interests.

Therefore we owe them no courtesy in return.

Australia should deal with the boats as its wider electorate sees fit, and to H3ll with outsiders heckling from the sidelines. They are only interested in 'solving' the problem with the same thinking that created it.

Australia remains free to avoid that same flawed logic. We should act accordingly.

Indonesia has profited extortionately at Australia's expense from the time-honored principle that "it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission".

Two can play that game.

Therefore Abbott's omission to disgorge his boat plans to disinterested Indonesian ears seems justifiable. Gillard should be doing likewise.
Labor sux

Henley Brook, Australia

#4 Oct 16, 2012
Its actually the guttles Labor party and Jew-liar in particular that shoud be discussing boarder protection with Indonesia and NOT the opposition as they created the current situation.

Obviously the current set up is a farce. Labor should hang it head in shame for the debarkile our boarders have become due to dismantling a system that worked, 20 Billion dollars later...... and ongoing welfare payments for generations to come.
Labor sux

Henley Brook, Australia

#5 Oct 16, 2012
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
Do any of Australia's leaders at diplomatic talks owe Indonesia a list of what we might do about 'the boats'?
After all, did Indonesia consult Australia before releasing boats in our direction in the first place? They showed from the outset that they couldn't care less about Australia's interests.
Therefore we owe them no courtesy in return.
Australia should deal with the boats as its wider electorate sees fit, and to H3ll with outsiders heckling from the sidelines. They are only interested in 'solving' the problem with the same thinking that created it.
Australia remains free to avoid that same flawed logic. We should act accordingly.
Indonesia has profited extortionately at Australia's expense from the time-honored principle that "it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission".
Two can play that game.
Therefore Abbott's omission to disgorge his boat plans to disinterested Indonesian ears seems justifiable. Gillard should be doing likewise.
We give Indonesia 1.3 BILLION dollars a year in Aid , not including unbudgeted Aid , like 500 million for Islamic Schools. Quite Ironic seeing Indonesia spends 17 times more on defence than Australia.

Maybe we could use our generous foreign Aid contribution to Indonesia as a deterrent. Eg- every boat that arrives = 50 million less Aid annually.

LOL....Imagine Sarah Hanson Young debating the pitfalls of said idea?
lost me

Brunswick, Australia

#6 Oct 16, 2012
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
Do any of Australia's leaders at diplomatic talks owe Indonesia a list of what we might do about 'the boats'?
After all, did Indonesia consult Australia before releasing boats in our direction in the first place? They showed from the outset that they couldn't care less about Australia's interests.
Therefore we owe them no courtesy in return.
Australia should deal with the boats as its wider electorate sees fit, and to H3ll with outsiders heckling from the sidelines. They are only interested in 'solving' the problem with the same thinking that created it.
Australia remains free to avoid that same flawed logic. We should act accordingly.
Indonesia has profited extortionately at Australia's expense from the time-honored principle that "it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission".
Two can play that game.
Therefore Abbott's omission to disgorge his boat plans to disinterested Indonesian ears seems justifiable. Gillard should be doing likewise.
LOL! Abbott goes on about it all the time!
Just not where it matters!

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#7 Oct 16, 2012
Labor sux wrote:
<quoted text>
We give Indonesia 1.3 BILLION dollars a year in Aid , not including unbudgeted Aid , like 500 million for Islamic Schools. Quite Ironic seeing Indonesia spends 17 times more on defence than Australia.
Maybe we could use our generous foreign Aid contribution to Indonesia as a deterrent. Eg- every boat that arrives = 50 million less Aid annually.
LOL....Imagine Sarah Hanson Young debating the pitfalls of said idea?
Historically Indonesia has always considered Australia to be part of Indonesia. Even maps in some Indonesian school Geography books still show a bold line across the centre of Australia with the upper half labeled "Indonesia". Indonesians largely begrudge our presence here and no doubt feel divinely entitled to the vast sums of aid we send them. They would regard it as 'rent' owed.

ksf

Since: Aug 07

Ingle Farm, Australia

#8 Oct 16, 2012
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Historically Indonesia has always considered Australia to be part of Indonesia. Even maps in some Indonesian school Geography books still show a bold line across the centre of Australia with the upper half labeled "Indonesia".
Link please?

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#9 Oct 16, 2012
ksf wrote:
<quoted text>Link please?
For centuries most reputable history has come from sources other than the internet which after all is a relative newcomer. In this instance my source was not the internet, so I cannot oblige you on your terms.

ksf

Since: Aug 07

Ingle Farm, Australia

#10 Oct 16, 2012
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
For centuries most reputable history has come from sources other than the internet which after all is a relative newcomer. In this instance my source was not the internet, so I cannot oblige you on your terms.
True, but Indonesian schoolbooks have only been around for 60-odd years at most. If your assertion were true, surely there would be a credible reference somewhere on the net.
I should apologise - I shouldn't let facts get in the way of such an interesting story.
edu

Sydney, Australia

#11 Oct 16, 2012
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Historically Indonesia has always considered Australia to be part of Indonesia. Even maps in some Indonesian school Geography books still show a bold line across the centre of Australia with the upper half labeled "Indonesia". Indonesians largely begrudge our presence here and no doubt feel divinely entitled to the vast sums of aid we send them. They would regard it as 'rent' owed.
Source please?

ksf

Since: Aug 07

Ingle Farm, Australia

#12 Oct 16, 2012
Labor sux wrote:
<quoted text>
Quite Ironic seeing Indonesia spends 17 times more on defence than Australia.
Gee, the lies come thick and fast on this thread. Australia spends about five time as much on defence as Indonesia in real terms (and more than double as a percentage of GDP).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
If Indonesia were spending 17 time as much as us, think we would have far more serious concerns than a few rag-tag boat-people.
Nina

Adelaide, Australia

#13 Oct 16, 2012
"The Adelaidean" is a fruit loop! lol

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