UN Climate Chief: Hurricane Sandy a 'Wakeup Call' on Climate Change

Nov 24, 2012 Full story: TheBlaze.com 24

With President Obama's re-election now a lock, international pressure is beginning to ratchet up on the President to abandon what small vestige of political self-preservation he'd managed and go full Leftist.

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Las Cruces, NM

#1 Nov 24, 2012
From the article:

"“[I]f the United States does not strengthen its participation in the global climate regime under the newly re-elected president I think there will be increased frustration with the United States,” she said."

Or stated in non political speak.

“[I]f the United States does not INCREASE its MONETARY CONTRIBUTIONS TO the global climate regime under the newly re-elected president I think there will be increased frustration with the United States,” she said.

Last summer we were told that the US emissions were below the 1996 level. It's not emissions the UN is concerned about, it's the amount of money they can get from the 'newly re-elected president' that is their focus.

If money can fix it, it's not the climate that is broken.
PHD

Oak Park, MI

#2 Nov 24, 2012
With enough money anything can be fixed.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#3 Nov 24, 2012
Sandy was in no way a wake up call. it was a reular old urricane sjust like hundreds before it.
SpongeBob

Staten Island, NY

#4 Nov 24, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
Sandy was in no way a wake up call. it was a reular old urricane sjust like hundreds before it.
We’ve had two once-in-a-century storms within a decade. Hurricane Sandy seems likely to become the second-costliest storm in U.S. history, behind Hurricane Katrina. Lower Manhattan has had unprecedented flooding, and Staten Island, Brooklyn coasts are beyond recognition, New Jersey coast is completely destroyed.

Sorry, Bud...

from scientopia.org ...

"... hurricane Sandy?
Yes, it was caused by global warming.
How can I say that so definitively?
There were a lot of observations made around this particular hurricane. What made it such a severe event is a combination of three primary factors.

The ocean water over which it developed is warmer that historically normal. Warm water is, simply, fuel for hurricanes. We know this from years of observation. And we know that the water was warmer, by a couple of degrees, than it would normally be in this season. This is a direct cause for the power of the storm, for the fact that as it moved north, it continued to become stronger rather than weakening. Those warm waters are, by definition global warming: they're one of the things we measure when we're measuring global temperature trends."

It was in no way a "regular old hurricane etc..etc.."

Where do you get your science info from?
SpongeBob

Staten Island, NY

#5 Nov 24, 2012
PHD wrote:
With enough money anything can be fixed.
That's not true...money couldn't save Steve Jobs from cancer...He had billions $$$$.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#6 Nov 24, 2012
[QUOTE who="wood(sic) 57"]Sandy was in no way a wake up call. it was a reular(sic) old urricane(sic) sjust(sic) like hundreds before it.[/QUOTE]

Glad re-pubic-lick-uns can't figure anything out. re-pubic-lick-uns are lining up to lose the next 3-4 elections.
PHD

Oak Park, MI

#7 Nov 25, 2012
SpongeBob wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not true...money couldn't save Steve Jobs from cancer...He had billions $$$$.
Maybe he didn't direct his money to the correct people. If he did do share the info with all.
August

Belleview, FL

#8 Nov 25, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
Sandy was in no way a wake up call. it was a reular old urricane sjust like hundreds before it.
Agreed.
PHD

Oak Park, MI

#9 Nov 25, 2012
And it should have been a wake up call for those that refuse to move and evacuate when required to. When you choose to stay then you pay the bill.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#10 Nov 25, 2012
SpongeBob wrote:
<quoted text>
We’ve had two once-in-a-century storms within a decade. Hurricane Sandy seems likely to become the second-costliest storm in U.S. history, behind Hurricane Katrina. Lower Manhattan has had unprecedented flooding, and Staten Island, Brooklyn coasts are beyond recognition, New Jersey coast is completely destroyed.
Sorry, Bud...
from scientopia.org ...
"... hurricane Sandy?
Yes, it was caused by global warming.
How can I say that so definitively?
There were a lot of observations made around this particular hurricane. What made it such a severe event is a combination of three primary factors.
The ocean water over which it developed is warmer that historically normal. Warm water is, simply, fuel for hurricanes. We know this from years of observation. And we know that the water was warmer, by a couple of degrees, than it would normally be in this season. This is a direct cause for the power of the storm, for the fact that as it moved north, it continued to become stronger rather than weakening. Those warm waters are, by definition global warming: they're one of the things we measure when we're measuring global temperature trends."
It was in no way a "regular old hurricane etc..etc.."
Where do you get your science info from?
it was one of over a hundred late season storms to hit the region. It was a mere category one storm that appened to meet up with a winter storm at the on the coast at the highest tide of the month.

nothing about global warming here. you are dong your cause a diservice for stating such.
SpongeBob

Staten Island, NY

#11 Nov 25, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it was one of over a hundred late season storms to hit the region. It was a mere category one storm that appened to meet up with a winter storm at the on the coast at the highest tide of the month.
nothing about global warming here. you are dong your cause a diservice for stating such.
How did you come to the conclusion that Sandy is NOT about global warming...Who's info are you using? that's important to know.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#12 Nov 25, 2012
SpongeBob wrote:
<quoted text>
How did you come to the conclusion that Sandy is NOT about global warming...Who's info are you using? that's important to know.
the facts that over a undred late season hurricanes ave it that region or further north. the fact that it was a regular old category one weakening to a TS before landfall. the fact that if it hadn't met up with a powerful winter storm it would have been a blip on te radar. the fact tat if it hadn't hit at the highest tide of the month, much of the flooding wouldn''t have appened.

Just that information. if you make every tunderclap and evry gust of wind out to be caused by global warming, you are doing your cause a disservice.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#13 Nov 25, 2012
wood(sic) 57 wrote:
Sandy was in no way a wake up call.
//////////
'au-disgust' wrote:
Agreed.
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litesong wrote:
Agreed. Hurricane Sandy did NOT wake up sleeping toxic topix AGW deniers.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#14 Nov 25, 2012
litesong wrote:
wood(sic) 57 wrote:
Sandy was in no way a wake up call.
//////////
'au-disgust' wrote:
Agreed.
//////////
litesong wrote:
Agreed. Hurricane Sandy did NOT wake up sleeping toxic topix AGW deniers.
Who says i'm an AGW denier at all? you need to get your facts straight and stop making incorrect assumptions.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#15 Nov 25, 2012
[QUOTE who="wood(sic)57"]
the facts that over a undred(sic)
ave(sic) it(hit) that.....
on te(sic) radar......
the fact tat(sic)
wouldn''t(sic)
have appened(sic).
tunderclap(sic) and
evry(sic)
[/QUOTE]

Congratulations! You tied tiny-minded anne with eight errors in a post shorter than she had posted. You hold the record & earn your name 'wood(sic) 57'.
SpongeBob

Staten Island, NY

#16 Nov 25, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the facts that over a undred late season hurricanes ave it that region or further north. the fact that it was a regular old category one weakening to a TS before landfall. the fact that if it hadn't met up with a powerful winter storm it would have been a blip on te radar. the fact tat if it hadn't hit at the highest tide of the month, much of the flooding wouldn''t have appened.
Just that information. if you make every tunderclap and evry gust of wind out to be caused by global warming, you are doing your cause a disservice.
Where do you get your information?
Weather forecasters?
Political commentators?
Other science sources?
I'm really interested....
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#17 Nov 25, 2012
[QUOTE who="wood(sic) 57"]Who says i'm an AGW denier at all?[/QUOTE]

Of course, you are!
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#18 Nov 25, 2012
SpongeBob wrote:
<quoted text>
We’ve had two once-in-a-century storms within a decade. Hurricane Sandy seems likely to become the second-costliest storm in U.S. history, behind Hurricane Katrina. Lower Manhattan has had unprecedented flooding, and Staten Island, Brooklyn coasts are beyond recognition, New Jersey coast is completely destroyed.
Sorry, Bud...
from scientopia.org ...
"... hurricane Sandy?
Yes, it was caused by global warming.
How can I say that so definitively?
There were a lot of observations made around this particular hurricane. What made it such a severe event is a combination of three primary factors.
The ocean water over which it developed is warmer that historically normal. Warm water is, simply, fuel for hurricanes. We know this from years of observation. And we know that the water was warmer, by a couple of degrees, than it would normally be in this season. This is a direct cause for the power of the storm, for the fact that as it moved north, it continued to become stronger rather than weakening.
This storm had to have been tough for someone from Brooklyn. I hope the damages you've encountered are soon repaired.

Hurricane Sandy was not an anomaly. You will experience more east coast hurricanes in the next 30 years than you saw in the last 30 years. Hurricanes are a result of ocean and air circulation patterns.

During the time of 'global warming' the circulation patterns sent more hurricanes into the gulf. The circulation patterns changed in 2007 and more hurricanes will travel to the east coast during this climate regime.

What caused the damage in your area also causes drought in mine. The gulf coast hurricanes brought much needed precipitation to my area. The change in climate patterns results in less of that moisture making it into West Texas and southern New Mexico and into the great plains aka the grain belt. The result is a continuing drought.

Although not necessarily good for either of us, it is a natural pattern that has persisted for as long as we have been able to reproduce, thru proxy studies, the activity.

In 1977 scientists saw what they called the Great Pacific Climate Shift. They could see it happen, they didn't know what caused it. In the early 1990s enough work had been done to identify not only the pacific climate shift but a variety of such ocean circulation patterns throughout the world.

The Pacific Decadal Oscillation was the name given to the pattern change seen in 1977. That pattern change was again noticed in 2007 and represents a shift to the negative phase of the pacific oscillation.

When the PDO is positive, El Ninos are more frequent and are enhanced by the positive phase. When the PDO is negative, La Ninas are more frequent and the impacts of La Ninas are enhanced by the negative phase.

Such is the same with the Atlantic Oscillations. Much more complicated because the circulation patterns were interrupted when the North and South American contintents joined disrupting the equatorial flow of the oceans.

And also is seen in the Arctic Oscillation which impacts not only arctic ice cover, but the mass balance of European glaciers.

The ocean oscillations are one factor in climate and one factor we didn't even have a name for when first detected in 1977. Climate science is very new and is discovering new factors all the time.

If given enough space and time, our scientists will be able to show us how it works and what can be done. Unfortunately, climate science has been hijacked by politics. Scientists are willing to do the long hard work, politicians only want enough answers to advance their agendas.

Be careful of the 20 second sound bites and the newspaper headlines.

I lived in New Jersey in the early 60s when a hurricane left 3 feet of water in the back yard. I know the area, it will not be easy, I do hope there will be a speedy recovery for everyone impacted by Hurricane Sandy.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#19 Nov 25, 2012
PHD wrote:
With enough money anything can be fixed.
Even the C-5A, with sub-assembly contracts issued, BEFORE aerodynamic tests were completed that showed its structure was sub-standard, was repaired as it fell apart in the air. Lockheed named the structures 'high stress components' & kept building, while the Air Force cut flying hours way back.

Over the decades, Lockheed & the Air Force through enough money at the C-5A that it did continue to operate for a while, but the C-5A was one of the worst initially designed & built aircraft.

Boeing's proposal for the C-5A was rejected. Boeing turned around & turned their military proposal into a civilian aircraft, the 747....... one of the best built aircraft ever conceived!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#20 Nov 25, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course, you are!
Why would you think that?

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