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Dot Earth Blog: Can Hurricane Sandy Engage the Public on Global Warming?

There are 13 comments on the FiveThirtyEight story from Nov 6, 2012, titled Dot Earth Blog: Can Hurricane Sandy Engage the Public on Global Warming?. In it, FiveThirtyEight reports that:

There has been an intense rush to use Hurricane Sandy as a teachable moment to focus the public on the risks of an unabated buildup of greenhouse gases and resulting global warming.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#1 Nov 6, 2012
Yes, of course and the public is paying more attention. The deniers are having a mental breakdown.
Artist

Derwood, MD

#3 Nov 9, 2012
It is sad that it takes horrific calamities to focus our attention on what’s happening right in front of our faces but the fact is that Hurricane Sandy is the latest event of more to come. The irony is that people may soon forget until something happens again. Maybe popular culture and artists need to chip in to keep the realization of global warming alive. Here is my contribution, a Hurricane Sandy poster: bit.ly/HurricaneSandy2012
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#4 Nov 9, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
The deniers are having a mental breakdown.
How can you tell a 'Sandy' mental breakdown from a constant & normal toxic topix AGW denier breakdown?
John

Elk Grove Village, IL

#5 Nov 9, 2012
Who cares because Obama has this all covered. He has everybody's back. He is a real symbol of hope. Especially for those half a million folks still living a nightmare in New England. Hey you noreaster libs. How is Obama doing for you now?
Hope and change. Forward!!!!!
You elected him, Christy french kissed him on Airforce One, and he is thinking of you all right now. I'm sure he is. Actually Obama cares. He said so. Just wait and hang in there a little longer. Never mind the cold and darkness. Where are all those troops that came from Iraq anyway. Could they have come over to you place and checked you?

Remember his speeches.
Change doesn't happen right away. It takes time. So your vote for Obama was just what the doctor ordered. He cares. Can you feel the love? Sure you can and the cold won't last too long. Like April!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#6 Nov 9, 2012
John wrote:
Who cares because Obama has this all covered. He has everybody's back. He is a real symbol of hope. Especially for those half a million folks still living a nightmare in New England. Hey you noreaster libs. How is Obama doing for you now?
Hope and change. Forward!!!!!
You elected him, Christy french kissed him on Airforce One, and he is thinking of you all right now. I'm sure he is. Actually Obama cares. He said so. Just wait and hang in there a little longer. Never mind the cold and darkness. Where are all those troops that came from Iraq anyway. Could they have come over to you place and checked you?
Remember his speeches.
Change doesn't happen right away. It takes time. So your vote for Obama was just what the doctor ordered. He cares. Can you feel the love? Sure you can and the cold won't last too long. Like April!
Ok. We get it. Your point is that you love somebody else.

So what?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#7 Nov 9, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you tell a 'Sandy' mental breakdown from a constant & normal toxic topix AGW denier breakdown?
Yes, I can because topix deniers were not physically impacted by Sandy. Yet they are in disarray now. Starting with gordy.
John

Elk Grove Village, IL

#8 Nov 9, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Ok. We get it. Your point is that you love somebody else.
So what?
I know your presidezie has his community organizer hope and change working for those cold people in New England two weeks after the storm. They voted for him and I know their cold and suffering is in his thoughts cause I know how much Obama really cares. He is such a cool guy.
John

Elk Grove Village, IL

#9 Nov 9, 2012
Artist wrote:
It is sad that it takes horrific calamities to focus our attention on what’s happening right in front of our faces but the fact is that Hurricane Sandy is the latest event of more to come. The irony is that people may soon forget until something happens again. Maybe popular culture and artists need to chip in to keep the realization of global warming alive. Here is my contribution, a Hurricane Sandy poster: bit.ly/HurricaneSandy2012
Gosh I feel so much better. Is the climate cooler now?
Global Hoax

Phoenix, AZ

#10 Nov 10, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Yes, of course and the public is paying more attention. The deniers are having a mental breakdown.
The only people suffering a breakdown are those that the wonderful Obama are "helping" by blowing hot air on his way to the golf course.
Why not go into the areas ravaged by the storm and confisgate the evil gasoline and heating oil before it can create CO2?
They would beat you like a pinata.
BTW - The Earth is warming, and has been warming since the little ice age, long before people had a remote chance of affecting the climate. What is at issue is that CO2 is a 5th rate greenhouse gas, and the human contribution is within the margin of error for observed temperature fluctuation.
The fact that there are so many Academies of Science endorsing the global warming position is probably the strongest argument for supporting it. The question to ask is how mature is this field? If the answer is 'very mature' then this type of support has high credibility. If the answer is 'immature' then it's significance is considerably less.
For example, scientific consensus at one point was that the Earth was flat.
Here is a link to US Senate Committee on the Environment that lists in detail 400 scientists who disagree with the anthropomorphic global warming hypothesis:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm...

That there are so many when we repeatedly hear on the news and radio that the actual number of dissenters is 'miniscule' will have the tendency to turn believers into sceptics.

I would feel more confident if the 'hockey stick' graphics that predict rapid change and global catastrophe would not all be linked back to a small handful of researchers and students who work together and presumably have the same preconceptions.
If there are no 'hockey sticks'(and the observations don't match)then the small increase in global temperature over the last century does not statistically look different from what one would expect from natural variation.

Also worthy of note is that the predictions that were made just are not coming true, which is a typical red flag for a hypothesis - If the evidence doesn't support the hypothesis, the hypothesis is wrong, regardless of what you believe.

New York has been hit by storms before, they are not at all unusual in a geologic time scale, and anyone except the most rabid AGW supporting scientist would tell you that attribution of Sandy to AGM cannot be made.
Global Hoax

Phoenix, AZ

#11 Nov 10, 2012
More interesting reading...
Looking at the IPCC data and validating its conclusions show several significant model errors.
The "warming" observed is based on cycle selections that are not representative.
Basically, the Earth is going into a cooling cycle, not a runaway warming cycle.
You can scream all you want about the evil of denying, but you can't argue with data.
Take a look:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/25/predict...
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#12 Nov 10, 2012
[QUOTE who="re-pubic-lick-uns=gl obal hoax"]The only people suffering a breakdown are those that the wonderful Obama......[/QUOTE]
The only people suffering breakdowns(pl.) are the re-pubic-lick-uns who believed their own propaganda & wonder how the american people didn't buy into it.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#13 Nov 10, 2012
Global Hoax wrote:
<quoted text>
The only people suffering a breakdown are those that the wonderful Obama are "helping" by blowing hot air on his way to the golf course.
Why not go into the areas ravaged by the storm and confisgate the evil gasoline and heating oil before it can create CO2?
They would beat you like a pinata.
BTW - The Earth is warming, and has been warming since the little ice age, long before people had a remote chance of affecting the climate. What is at issue is that CO2 is a 5th rate greenhouse gas, and the human contribution is within the margin of error for observed temperature fluctuation.
The fact that there are so many Academies of Science endorsing the global warming position is probably the strongest argument for supporting it. The question to ask is how mature is this field? If the answer is 'very mature' then this type of support has high credibility. If the answer is 'immature' then it's significance is considerably less.
For example, scientific consensus at one point was that the Earth was flat.
Here is a link to US Senate Committee on the Environment that lists in detail 400 scientists who disagree with the anthropomorphic global warming hypothesis:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm...
That there are so many when we repeatedly hear on the news and radio that the actual number of dissenters is 'miniscule' will have the tendency to turn believers into sceptics.
I would feel more confident if the 'hockey stick' graphics that predict rapid change and global catastrophe would not all be linked back to a small handful of researchers and students who work together and presumably have the same preconceptions.
If there are no 'hockey sticks'(and the observations don't match)then the small increase in global temperature over the last century does not statistically look different from what one would expect from natural variation.
Also worthy of note is that the predictions that were made just are not coming true, which is a typical red flag for a hypothesis - If the evidence doesn't support the hypothesis, the hypothesis is wrong, regardless of what you believe.
New York has been hit by storms before, they are not at all unusual in a geologic time scale, and anyone except the most rabid AGW supporting scientist would tell you that attribution of Sandy to AGM cannot be made.
Cut'n paste denier spam.

Are you Will Nitschke? You serm to have a huge emotional investment in posting this rubbish in every corner of the web.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#14 Nov 10, 2012
Global Hoax wrote:
More interesting reading...
Looking at the IPCC data and validating its conclusions show several significant model errors.
The "warming" observed is based on cycle selections that are not representative.
Basically, the Earth is going into a cooling cycle, not a runaway warming cycle.
You can scream all you want about the evil of denying, but you can't argue with data.
Take a look:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/25/predict...
If you could think for yourself, you would wonder what do the greenhouse gases do in our atmosphere? What's the greenhouse effect?

Then you would see why the global warming is raging and resulting in global climate change.

What's denial buying you??

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