Muslim Imam presents Holy Qur'an as t...

Muslim Imam presents Holy Qur'an as token of Thanksgiving

There are 9 comments on the Examiner.com story from Nov 29, 2013, titled Muslim Imam presents Holy Qur'an as token of Thanksgiving. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

A Muslim Imam invited to attend special service at a local church in California presented a copy of the Holy Qur'an as a special token of thanks from the Muslim community.

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Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#1 Nov 29, 2013
They should set that pornography alight. Associating that demonic "religion" with our holy Thanksgiving commemoration is an affront to human decency.
Jesus Is

Sydney, Australia

#3 Nov 29, 2013
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THANKS FOR THE VIRGINS!
warner

Ireland

#4 Nov 29, 2013
I am really pleased about that action of presenting a Koran to the Church. The Mohammadians did it as a statement that Islam is the truth of God as that is what he believes in his arrogance and ignorance. I would love to see the faces following the reading of this Koran out of curiosity(theirs)! God does work in mysterious ways! I think quite a few eyes will be opened to Islam now in that Church!
Frank

Keswick, Canada

#5 Nov 29, 2013
warner wrote:
I am really pleased about that action of presenting a Koran to the Church. The Mohammadians did it as a statement that Islam is the truth of God as that is what he believes in his arrogance and ignorance. I would love to see the faces following the reading of this Koran out of curiosity(theirs)! God does work in mysterious ways! I think quite a few eyes will be opened to Islam now in that Church!
But will the parishioners of that church take the trouble of reading the entire Koran verses themselves, instead of trusting the sugar quoted verses quoted by that Imam?

“There is no compulsion in religion.”

In their attempts to present Islam as an open, tolerant religion, apologists typically present the famous “no compulsion” part of the Koran’s verse 2:256, as above. This snippet, on its own, seems to convey an attitude of relaxed, care-free, come-and-go-as-you-please religious freedom and tolerance. But does this snippet represent, truthfully, what the Koran says? For starters, let’s look at the actual verse, as it applies to Muslims, together with the very next verse (2:257), as it applies to non-Muslims.

2:256:“There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.”
2:257:“Allah is the protecting guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are the rightful owners of the Fire [of Hell]. They will abide therein [forever].”

Both verses together certainly convey a different message than the typical apologist snippet from 2:256. The pair of complete verses show the Koran’s respective policies for Muslims (believers) and non-Muslims (disbelievers). Believers are warned not to slip into disbelief, and disbelievers are warned to become believers — or else. In other words, according to this passage, there is compulsion in Islam, despite the initial “no compulsion” statement. Verse 18:29, itself, bears some similarities to the 2:256-257 pair:

18:29:“Say:(It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!”

The policy in the Koran does not appear to be “Believe it or not,” but instead is “Believe it or else!” The damnation of disbelievers in 2:257 and 18:29 is consistent with Allah’s policy throughout the Koran. There are over 250 separate damnations of disbelievers in the Koran. True believing Muslims, on the other hand, are promised with the reward of Paradise in the Hereafter.
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warner

Ireland

#6 Nov 29, 2013
Frank wrote:
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But will the parishioners of that church take the trouble of reading the entire Koran verses themselves, instead of trusting the sugar quoted verses quoted by that Imam?
“There is no compulsion in religion.”
In their attempts to present Islam as an open, tolerant religion, apologists typically present the famous “no compulsion” part of the Koran’s verse 2:256, as above. This snippet, on its own, seems to convey an attitude of relaxed, care-free, come-and-go-as-you-please religious freedom and tolerance. But does this snippet represent, truthfully, what the Koran says? For starters, let’s look at the actual verse, as it applies to Muslims, together with the very next verse (2:257), as it applies to non-Muslims.
2:256:“There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.”
2:257:“Allah is the protecting guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are the rightful owners of the Fire [of Hell]. They will abide therein [forever].”
Both verses together certainly convey a different message than the typical apologist snippet from 2:256. The pair of complete verses show the Koran’s respective policies for Muslims (believers) and non-Muslims (disbelievers). Believers are warned not to slip into disbelief, and disbelievers are warned to become believers — or else. In other words, according to this passage, there is compulsion in Islam, despite the initial “no compulsion” statement. Verse 18:29, itself, bears some similarities to the 2:256-257 pair:
18:29:“Say:(It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!”
The policy in the Koran does not appear to be “Believe it or not,” but instead is “Believe it or else!” The damnation of disbelievers in 2:257 and 18:29 is consistent with Allah’s policy throughout the Koran. There are over 250 separate damnations of disbelievers in the Koran. True believing Muslims, on the other hand, are promised with the reward of Paradise in the Hereafter.
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l know what the Muslims do, and they give them nice fruit and hide the poisonous, and it's as if Satan gave them that weapon for his purpose.

When the Koran is read by the minister of that church, he will read it with the discerning eye of a Christian theologian, and He will be shocked. The problem is that he may choose not to share his findings with the congregation.

My parents were atheists, but my younger brother bought a Koran and my parents decided not to interfere and in fact because he was a poor reader they were delighted that he wanted to read it, as he avoided reading on the whole. I saw the book on a table and thought l would take a look, and l was a teenager, but l did not get far into the book when l discerned that it was denying the divinity of Jesus, and there was something else that l spotted that was untrue and l knew for sure it was untrue, so let's just say that the outcome was l got a terrible rebuke from my parents who accused me of preventing my poor brother from improving his reading skills and enhancing his education, and they the atheists could not understand my words of protest and justification.
god

Encinitas, CA

#7 Mar 18, 2014
warner wrote:
<quoted text>l know what the Muslims do, and they give them nice fruit and hide the poisonous, and it's as if Satan gave them that weapon for his purpose.
When the Koran is read by the minister of that church, he will read it with the discerning eye of a Christian theologian, and He will be shocked. The problem is that he may choose not to share his findings with the congregation.
My parents were atheists, but my younger brother bought a Koran and my parents decided not to interfere and in fact because he was a poor reader they were delighted that he wanted to read it, as he avoided reading on the whole. I saw the book on a table and thought l would take a look, and l was a teenager, but l did not get far into the book when l discerned that it was denying the divinity of Jesus, and there was something else that l spotted that was untrue and l knew for sure it was untrue, so let's just say that the outcome was l got a terrible rebuke from my parents who accused me of preventing my poor brother from improving his reading skills and enhancing his education, and they the atheists could not understand my words of protest and justification.
people change religions for dimly conscious reasons

often it is to punish a hated family member
Warner

Edinburgh, UK

#8 Mar 18, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>
But will the parishioners of that church take the trouble of reading the entire Koran verses themselves, instead of trusting the sugar quoted verses quoted by that Imam?
“There is no compulsion in religion.”
In their attempts to present Islam as an open, tolerant religion, apologists typically present the famous “no compulsion” part of the Koran’s verse 2:256, as above. This snippet, on its own, seems to convey an attitude of relaxed, care-free, come-and-go-as-you-please religious freedom and tolerance. But does this snippet represent, truthfully, what the Koran says? For starters, let’s look at the actual verse, as it applies to Muslims, together with the very next verse (2:257), as it applies to non-Muslims.
2:256:“There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.”
2:257:“Allah is the protecting guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are the rightful owners of the Fire [of Hell]. They will abide therein [forever].”
Both verses together certainly convey a different message than the typical apologist snippet from 2:256. The pair of complete verses show the Koran’s respective policies for Muslims (believers) and non-Muslims (disbelievers). Believers are warned not to slip into disbelief, and disbelievers are warned to become believers — or else. In other words, according to this passage, there is compulsion in Islam, despite the initial “no compulsion” statement. Verse 18:29, itself, bears some similarities to the 2:256-257 pair:
18:29:“Say:(It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!”
The policy in the Koran does not appear to be “Believe it or not,” but instead is “Believe it or else!” The damnation of disbelievers in 2:257 and 18:29 is consistent with Allah’s policy throughout the Koran. There are over 250 separate damnations of disbelievers in the Koran. True believing Muslims, on the other hand, are promised with the reward of Paradise in the Hereafter.
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Yes, I agree with you. The preachers are withholding the truth about the evils of Islam and Muslims in their implementation of it. They are doing it because they don't want to frighten their people but unless they know the truth then they can not take action to protect themselves.

People don't seem to believe that Muslims really do expect to have sex in Heaven.

What is annoying is that Muslims don't understand that people who believe in God and follow His Commandments, are not disbelievers. It all comes to the Truth of God in the Bible where it is stated that the followers of the False Prophet will kill the saints of God in the mistaken belief that they are doing a service for God.

I know that if people had remained true to the Truth of God, Christianity, then God would have protected their Nations. It is not too late for people to come back to God, and fill the Christian Churches and send up prayers and God will not judge the Nations. We can be saved from our enemies if we turn back to God in mass!
GODLESS AND FREE

Northampton, UK

#9 Mar 18, 2014
Make good use of the quran by putting it in the church toilet, it'll work fine as toilet paper.
god

Carlsbad, CA

#10 Apr 28, 2014
the old decadent churches have nothing better to do than make fools of themselves

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