Bar sued over fatal crash

Full story: GoErie.com

Survivors of two women killed by a drunken driver on St. Patrick's Day in 2006 are claiming a popular Erie bar is responsible for serving the driver too much alcohol.
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Corky81

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#1
Sep 15, 2008
 
Sure he didn't....
AskTheAuthor

Erie, PA

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Sep 16, 2008
 
did what
dennis

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Sep 16, 2008
 
"This is the first time I've heard about this," Freeman said. "I've never heard about this accident."

Pay up.......it's the American way.....no one is reponsible for their own actions
Becky

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Sep 16, 2008
 
dennis wrote:
"This is the first time I've heard about this," Freeman said. "I've never heard about this accident."
Pay up.......it's the American way.....no one is reponsible for their own actions
Yeah, the driver WAS responsible for his actions -- but like his passenger and the women he hit, he's DEAD. And if the bar knowingly served these two guys when they were clearly very intoxicated, then the bar shares some of the responsibility for these guys getting in a car and driving in an impaired state.
It is NOT, though, I don't think, up to the bar to chase down every patron to see if they're going to drive or not.
I DO think that bars SHOULD note when a customer seems to be impaired and ASK if they have a way to get home (other than driving). And I think bars should be required to contact authorities if they know a customer is too drunk to drive, and the person insists on driving anyway.
We have such notification for child abuse -- if you see signs of it, you're required, by law, to report it .
I think there should be some sort of similar legislation enacted for drunks as well. If you see them -- report it. That goes for the rest of society that might observe a drunk getting behind the wheel of a car.
REPORT IT! License plate number, if you can get it, make of car, and location.
This guy not only killed himself and his friend and the driver and passenger of the other car ... he also left two little girls motherless.
everyonehasone

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Sep 16, 2008
 
Why is this being discussed again all of a sudden? Is something new about it posted somewhere? I always wondered what came of the lawsuit.
Learned Hand

Pittsburgh, PA

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Sep 16, 2008
 
The statute of limitations is running. File the suit or lose your rights.
TWTL

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Sep 16, 2008
 
Maybe every establishment that sells alcohol should require drinkers or their designated driver to hand over their keys before they can be served. And upon leaving the establishment, be asked to walk a straight line before retrieving their keys. If the driver can't pass the test, then no keys. That would relieve the establishment of any responsibility.

Of course, there will be the hard core drinkers who would just turn in a fake set of keys, but the bar would be protected and the driver would have to take full responsibility.

Just tossing around an idea off the top of my head.
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Sep 16, 2008
 
When I was stationed in England with the USAF, we were cautioned about english law on drunken driving. If a person is in a pub, drunk, and has his car keys in his pocket, he can be arrested for intent to drive drunk. I don't know if the law is still the same, but I saw people hand over their car keys to the bartender on several occasions.

The larger question is about St Patrick's day, as celebrated in the U.S. There seems to be an overwhelming need to get as drunk as possible to celebrate the day, whether Irish or not. In Ireland, people do not get drunk on St Patrick's day (or at least, no more than any other day) and express some amusement about the american tradition.
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Sep 16, 2008
 
There was another car that set off the chain reaction that night that took all of those lives. Driving drunk is wrong at any time of the year, but there was a reason why Jake lost controll of his car that night, in addition to him being DUI.
spliff

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Sep 17, 2008
 
i should have sued i wrecked 2 cars one leaving johnnys 1 leaving butches pub,maybe it was the purple microdot cant remember
dilligaf

Erie, PA

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Sep 18, 2008
 
TWTL wrote:
Maybe every establishment that sells alcohol should require drinkers or their designated driver to hand over their keys before they can be served. And upon leaving the establishment, be asked to walk a straight line before retrieving their keys. If the driver can't pass the test, then no keys. That would relieve the establishment of any responsibility.
Of course, there will be the hard core drinkers who would just turn in a fake set of keys, but the bar would be protected and the driver would have to take full responsibility.
Just tossing around an idea off the top of my head.
Not a bad idea at all!
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Sep 18, 2008
 
Here's an idea.....

A person at the door would watch for men who were leaving with either ugly or fat chicks.

Those people would be given a sobriety test.

I BET IT WOULD CUT DUI'S IN HALF!!!
barney fife

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Sep 18, 2008
 
to drunk to what?
First In EMT

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Aug 25, 2009
 
two cents worth wrote:
There was another car that set off the chain reaction that night that took all of those lives. Driving drunk is wrong at any time of the year, but there was a reason why Jake lost controll of his car that night, in addition to him being DUI.
I was there...I was on the First Ambulance In...I know that what you stated is BS! The car that supposed set off the chain reaction was actually doing the speed limit on the road when the DUI car came rushing to pass at over 110 mph before colliding with the other car. That alleged third car that caused the situation actually is part of the reason those two kids survived.
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Aug 28, 2009
 
First In EMT wrote:
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I was there...I was on the First Ambulance In...I know that what you stated is BS! The car that supposed set off the chain reaction was actually doing the speed limit on the road when the DUI car came rushing to pass at over 110 mph before colliding with the other car. That alleged third car that caused the situation actually is part of the reason those two kids survived.
if you are an EMT and if you were on the first ambulance in.... then you might want to think about what info you are posting on this blog. It is real easy to identify the first in company, and first in ambulance... releasing info could get you into some problems... beware! HIPPA Act!
thinking

Erie, PA

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#16
Sep 23, 2009
 
This is a terribly sad situation. As I understand, all four killed were great kids with bright futures. Nothing will bring any of them back, none of us are promised tomorrow make the most of today and learn to be kind to one another, even in the blogoshpere. Always drive responsibly.

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