Their view: It's an insane debate ove...

Their view: It's an insane debate over wasted medical spending

There are 9 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Nov 25, 2009, titled Their view: It's an insane debate over wasted medical spending. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

Doctors would jab sharp instruments into King Henry VIII's arm and drain blood out of his body.

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Since: Jun 08

Huntsville, AL

#1 Nov 25, 2009
Who ordered the 25 specialists to do this work and who paid for them. Was it the taxpayers or the person's insurance company.

We have massive fraud in our medical system (medicare and medicaid) and the government can't find any means to stop it. With health care, it will be 10 times worst (more people).

Let us reform health care, one issue at a time and get it done for the good of society. Yes, there are many drugs and procedures done for the good of the individual and these should be born by the individual and not the taxpayers.

Our current doctors and hospitals are set up to take care of many patients as they can so they can make money. If we deny them this money, they will need to charge more for doing less to satisfy their standard of living.

Why should taxpayers pay for the irresponsibility of an individual. STD's, abortion, contraceptives, cosmetics, obesity, smoking, etc.
Pen Pal

Las Cruces, NM

#2 Nov 25, 2009
Thomas, the callousness of this comment astonishes me in its lack of charity, its denial of that do unto others thing, its repudiation of the basic moral teachings of the religion which you claim for yours.

First, fraud originates with medical providers like doctors and hospitals, not with patients, however many, or government employees, who do not cut checks for themselves but pay the bills submitted to them. If more patients mean more fraud by doctors and hospitals, the appropriate response is accounting vigilance and criminal investigations and prosecutions, not the elimination of medical services to the needy and innocent. I cannot believe that you want to deny people access to health care to prevent fraud. Obviously, money, tax dollars or not, matter more to you than the welfare of people.

Second, all health care is health care administered to individuals. To suggest that they should pay for their health care would eliminate it for even more people. Obviously, you believe in no social fabric whereby the haves share with the have-nots and have an I'm-all-right-Jack attitude. The only life you value is the life of all the unborn, not the life of all the living.

You do not need my wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving, though I do extend them to you; you obviously have much to be thankful for. I ask that you think about those who have less and so have less to be thankful for. Indeed, as we approach the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ, thinking about charity would seem to be seasonally appropriate. Give it a try.
The Nerve

Las Cruces, NM

#3 Nov 25, 2009
Pen Pal wrote:
Thomas, the callousness of this comment astonishes me in its lack of charity, its denial of that do unto others thing, its repudiation of the basic moral teachings of the religion which you claim for yours.
First, fraud originates with medical providers like doctors and hospitals, not with patients, however many, or government employees, who do not cut checks for themselves but pay the bills submitted to them. If more patients mean more fraud by doctors and hospitals, the appropriate response is accounting vigilance and criminal investigations and prosecutions, not the elimination of medical services to the needy and innocent. I cannot believe that you want to deny people access to health care to prevent fraud. Obviously, money, tax dollars or not, matter more to you than the welfare of people.
Second, all health care is health care administered to individuals. To suggest that they should pay for their health care would eliminate it for even more people. Obviously, you believe in no social fabric whereby the haves share with the have-nots and have an I'm-all-right-Jack attitude. The only life you value is the life of all the unborn, not the life of all the living.
You do not need my wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving, though I do extend them to you; you obviously have much to be thankful for. I ask that you think about those who have less and so have less to be thankful for. Indeed, as we approach the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ, thinking about charity would seem to be seasonally appropriate. Give it a try.
The nerve you have to TYPE about all things Christian (charity and the birth of Christ) with the same fingers you spew so much hate, hypocrisy, and insults. Hypocrite is a word that must come to mind when you look in the mirror. I guess your words and actions are causing you to be conflicted.
jimbob

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Nov 25, 2009
Pen Pal wrote:
Thomas, the callousness of this comment astonishes me in its lack of charity, its denial of that do unto others thing, its repudiation of the basic moral teachings of the religion which you claim for yours.
First, fraud originates with medical providers like doctors and hospitals, not with patients, however many, or government employees, who do not cut checks for themselves but pay the bills submitted to them. If more patients mean more fraud by doctors and hospitals, the appropriate response is accounting vigilance and criminal investigations and prosecutions, not the elimination of medical services to the needy and innocent. I cannot believe that you want to deny people access to health care to prevent fraud. Obviously, money, tax dollars or not, matter more to you than the welfare of people.
Second, all health care is health care administered to individuals. To suggest that they should pay for their health care would eliminate it for even more people. Obviously, you believe in no social fabric whereby the haves share with the have-nots and have an I'm-all-right-Jack attitude. The only life you value is the life of all the unborn, not the life of all the living.
You do not need my wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving, though I do extend them to you; you obviously have much to be thankful for. I ask that you think about those who have less and so have less to be thankful for. Indeed, as we approach the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ, thinking about charity would seem to be seasonally appropriate. Give it a try.
Doc, your comprehension of the post was totally incorrect, but you did a wonderful job of spinning it to fit your ideology.

Since: Jun 08

Huntsville, AL

#5 Nov 27, 2009
Pen Pal wrote:
Thomas, the callousness of this comment astonishes me in its lack of charity, its denial of that do unto others thing, its repudiation of the basic moral teachings of the religion which you claim for yours.
Pen Pal, it is with abundant charity that I made these comments. We must help those who are incapable of helping themselves, the unborn, the poor, the elderly, etc. my comments were meant in charity to help not be a hinderance.

I said -
We have massive fraud in our medical system (Medicare and Medicaid) and the government can't find any means to stop it. With health care, it will be 10 times worst (more people).

You said -
Pen Pal wrote:
First, fraud originates with medical providers like doctors and hospitals, not with patients, however many, or government employees, who do not cut checks for themselves but pay the bills submitted to them. If more patients mean more fraud by doctors and hospitals, the appropriate response is accounting vigilance and criminal investigations and prosecutions, not the elimination of medical services to the needy and innocent. I cannot believe that you want to deny people access to health care to prevent fraud. Obviously, money, tax dollars or not, matter more to you than the welfare of people.
Pen Pal, how do you get that I said or meant “elimination of medical services to the needy and innocent” in my statement. I post it above for you to reread it. I agree with you that better vigilance and criminal prosecutions would decrease the fraud but the government doesn’t want to or care to or can not perform this task. Have you seen or read about the fly by night operators (not medical people) that bill our government for health care and are paid thousands of dollars only to disappear and start another fraud operation down the street? The government just is not set up to control these criminals. Private insurers have a better record in this area, I believe.

I said -

Let us reform health care, one issue at a time and get it done for the good of society. Yes, there are many drugs and procedures done for the good of the individual and these should be born by the individual and not the taxpayers.

Since: Jun 08

Huntsville, AL

#6 Nov 27, 2009
Response was to long had to split and this should have been first.
Pen Pal wrote:
Thomas, the callousness of this comment astonishes me in its lack of charity, its denial of that do unto others thing, its repudiation of the basic moral teachings of the religion which you claim for yours.
Pen Pal, it is with abundant charity that I made these comments. We must help those who are incapable of helping themselves, the unborn, the poor, the elderly, etc. my comments were meant in charity to help not be a hinderance.

I said -
We have massive fraud in our medical system (Medicare and Medicaid) and the government can't find any means to stop it. With health care, it will be 10 times worst (more people).

You said -
Pen Pal wrote:
First, fraud originates with medical providers like doctors and hospitals, not with patients, however many, or government employees, who do not cut checks for themselves but pay the bills submitted to them. If more patients mean more fraud by doctors and hospitals, the appropriate response is accounting vigilance and criminal investigations and prosecutions, not the elimination of medical services to the needy and innocent. I cannot believe that you want to deny people access to health care to prevent fraud. Obviously, money, tax dollars or not, matter more to you than the welfare of people.
Pen Pal, how do you get that I said or meant “elimination of medical services to the needy and innocent” in my statement. I post it above for you to reread it. I agree with you that better vigilance and criminal prosecutions would decrease the fraud but the government doesn’t want to or care to or can not perform this task. Have you seen or read about the fly by night operators (not medical people) that bill our government for health care and are paid thousands of dollars only to disappear and start another fraud operation down the street? The government just is not set up to control these criminals. Private insurers have a better record in this area, I believe.

I said -

Let us reform health care, one issue at a time and get it done for the good of society. Yes, there are many drugs and procedures done for the good of the individual and these should be born by the individual and not the taxpayers.

Since: Jun 08

Huntsville, AL

#7 Nov 27, 2009
Sorry, I still got it wrong, try this

You said -
Pen Pal wrote:
Second, all health care is health care administered to individuals. To suggest that they should pay for their health care would eliminate it for even more people. Obviously, you believe in no social fabric whereby the haves share with the have-nots and have an I'm-all-right-Jack attitude. The only life you value is the life of all the unborn, not the life of all the living.
I should have gone into more depth in my comment. My first sentence fairly repudiates your comment above. My second sentence, you may disagree in my opinion. I do not feel we need to pay for abortions. Abortion to me is not health care unless it is to save the life of the mother. I do not feel we need to pay for cosmetic surgery that is unnecessary for the physical health of the person. I do not feel we need to pay for contraceptives or sexual enhancement drugs. I do not feel that we need to pay for irresponsible people who are obese, smoke, take drugs, incur STD’s, aids, etc.

Saying this, if any individual wants to be covered with health insurance for these items, let them pay for the coverage. These things are choices that people make knowing that bad things can happen.

As far as I believe individuals should pay for their health care, we all currently do and besides our health care, we are currently paying for all those who do not pay. It is called taxes. What we have to determine is how best we can spend our taxes on giving health care as 85% of us have health insurance to cover our care.

BTW, I value all life.
Pen Pal wrote:
You do not need my wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving, though I do extend them to you; you obviously have much to be thankful for. I ask that you think about those who have less and so have less to be thankful for. Indeed, as we approach the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ, thinking about charity would seem to be seasonally appropriate. Give it a try.
Thank you for your generous wish for a Happy Thanksgiving as I was fortunate again this year. Hope your day was as wonderful as mine. This Sunday, the season of Advent will start but I do not limit my charity in time, money and talent to this season alone. We have much to be thankful for and we both must work for the common good of society.

Since: Jun 08

Huntsville, AL

#8 Nov 27, 2009
Why can't they make a machine do what I want it to do instead of having the machine do as I instruct it to do.

I need another cup of coffee.
Truth Be Known

Las Cruces, NM

#9 Nov 27, 2009
Mr. Schraad, you're a class act! Thank you for setting such a good example for us.

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