This year in Jerusalem, Muslims and Jews are often crossing paths as major holidays coincide

Sep 28, 2008 | Posted by: Top Ex Ed | Full story: www.iht.com

Jews are not quiet in prayer. Even when focused on the most personal of quests, as they are this season asking God for forgiveness for dark thoughts and unkind deeds in the past year they take comfort in community, chanting and swaying and dancing in circles, blowing the trumpet-like shofar, a ram's horn.

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Marc

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#125
Oct 1, 2008
 
rezasantorini wrote:
Israel has a right to feel secure with any treaty....it has a legitimate right to exist and keep its identity. It is not just the Mufti, it is the support he garnered and the agenda they and the Muslims have continued. That is what Israel has been fighting...
Have I argued that Israel does not have a right to security or existence? That's the whole point of the two state solution. It would allow Israel to remain a Jewish majority state. The posters who think that there's a way out through Palestinian repatriation to Jordan and Egypt are dreaming. That is not going to happen. The two state solution is Israel's best alternative and they will need to give up most of their settlements in the West Bank and divide Jerusalem to make it happen.
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Marc wrote:
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Have I argued that Israel does not have a right to security or existence? That's the whole point of the two state solution. It would allow Israel to remain a Jewish majority state. The posters who think that there's a way out through Palestinian repatriation to Jordan and Egypt are dreaming. That is not going to happen. The two state solution is Israel's best alternative and they will need to give up most of their settlements in the West Bank and divide Jerusalem to make it happen.
You and I may find a way to peace. Gaza or WB may find a solution, but I am not sure all three will, especially since all Muslims are part of the
problem....Israel will still have to deal with Lebanon, Syria, Iran and the general hatred of Islam. That will have to be part of their consideration.
Marc

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melodylane wrote:
You and I may find a way to peace. Gaza or WB may find a solution, but I am not sure all three will, especially since all Muslims are part of the problem....Israel will still have to deal with Lebanon, Syria, Iran and the general hatred of Islam. That will have to be part of their consideration.
The Arab league has voiced support for a two state solution and promised normalized relations with Israel in return. Israel will have to deal with its neighbors regardless but making peace with the Palestinians would go a long way to easing tensions in the region.
The Authority

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#128
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Sorry fella to contradict you, but Israel was not
created on their land. They were there among the Jews because of the opportunity to make a better living by being employed by the Jews. The Land was not theirs. And there was never in History a "Palestinian" Country in the Land of Israel.
Dude..Israel was created in the middle east, among the Arabs..after WWII.
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I'm not being a pansy. We clearly have an overwhelming military advantage as our response to 9/11 has indicated. We wouldn't need to control the people in the Middle East if we did not need their oil.
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The creation of Israel is part of a larger Colonial influence on the Middle East. The national borders that exist were arbitrarily (in many cases) drawn by Europeans to divide and control the region. They're pissed about how effective these control mechanisms have been and how their leaders have sold out for personal wealth. If there were no oil we would not care.
I guess what I'm saying is..bottom line..with these people it is kill or be killed..
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I guess what I'm saying is..bottom line..with these people it is kill or be killed..
And I disagree. We need to learn how to live together or all humans will end up being killed.
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Oct 1, 2008
 
Where do the three Muskateers come in here?
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And I disagree. We need to learn how to live together or all humans will end up being killed.
Well we are all going to die anyways from overpopulation. But see this is why I called you a pansy..those people would sooner gut you and hang you from a bridge than hear what you have to say about peace. Unless you tell them you're peacefully converting..
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The Authority wrote:
Well we are all going to die anyways from overpopulation. But see this is why I called you a pansy..those people would sooner gut you and hang you from a bridge than hear what you have to say about peace. Unless you tell them you're peacefully converting..
Fortunately they have no capacity to carry out their threats. I think that concerted action against religious fundamentalists here would strengthen our ability to combat Islamic fundamentalism immeasurably. Until we reform our own religion nuts any attempts to reform Islam will be met with legitimate accusations of hypocrisy.

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And the way out is obvious. Stop respecting peoples' religious sensitivities and start respecting peoples' basic human rights.
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The worst part is that many people who don't believe this Bronze Age nonsense are more than happy to use its hold over others to their advantage instead of stamping it out.
That's why I think it is a shame that Christianity has such a powerfull grip on America. Most of the founder fathers found what was in the bible disgusting and were mostly indefferent to religion even though some now believe America to be founded as a christian nation (just because they allowed religious freedom doesn't mean it's a christian nation).

And then we have Bush who claimed God told him to attack Iraq and go after Bin Ladin while God also told the islamist to kill all the infidels.

Anyone who can figure out how to rid the world of these childish superstitions of Judaism, Christiannity or Islam deserves 1000 Nobel Prizes for peace!

“Bernie Goetz is my hero”

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Maybe the fact that we have an army in the Middle East and have killed hundreds of thousands of people has something to do with why they hate us? Did they hate Americans in 1910?
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One American is worth 1000 Aye-rab mudslimes..Hell anyone knows that.
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Marc wrote:
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The Arab league has voiced support for a two state solution and promised normalized relations with Israel in return. Israel will have to deal with its neighbors regardless but making peace with the Palestinians would go a long way to easing tensions in the region.
How can that be, West Bank and Gaza can't make peace with each other. And, do you think both areas would stay out of it if Lebanon or Syria or any groups within these countries would attack Israel? Even when Israel return Kuntar, to the goose stepping Lebanonese (who were suppose to be Hezbollah free), a few prisoners were transfered to Syria.

I know you want peace for the area ... but reality has to be a piece of the picture. Israel is real tiny and no one said boo when they were attacked...the screaming goes on when Israel attacks.
Marc

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#138
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rezasantorini wrote:
How can that be, West Bank and Gaza can't make peace with each other. And, do you think both areas would stay out of it if Lebanon or Syria or any groups within these countries would attack Israel? Even when Israel return Kuntar, to the goose stepping Lebanonese (who were suppose to be Hezbollah free), a few prisoners were transfered to Syria.
I know you want peace for the area ... but reality has to be a piece of the picture. Israel is real tiny and no one said boo when they were attacked...the screaming goes on when Israel attacks.
If Israel wants peace it should stop expanding and start evacuating settlements. They don't have to turn anything over to Palestinian control or compromise their security in any way. They need to stop taking land that they have agreed in principle should be Palestinian as part of a two state solution. Israel's refusal to stop construction in settlements is a clear signal to the Palestinians and the world that they are not serious about a two state solution.
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One American is worth 1000 Aye-rab mudslimes..Hell anyone knows that.
I guess you've been in a coma for last few year, jobs are being outsourced because apparently a hundred or so lazy, over paid fat slob Americans can be replaced with two or three ambitious foreigners.
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If Israel wants peace it should stop expanding and start evacuating settlements. They don't have to turn anything over to Palestinian control or compromise their security in any way. They need to stop taking land that they have agreed in principle should be Palestinian as part of a two state solution. Israel's refusal to stop construction in settlements is a clear signal to the Palestinians and the world that they are not serious about a two state solution.
Tell me what happened when they evacuated Gaza?
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Tell me what happened when they evacuated Gaza?
The international community continues to hold Israel accountable for Gazans humanitarian needs and does not recognize Israel's withdrawal. Unilateral withdrawal from portions of the territory conquered in 1967 will not be internationally accepted. Without international acceptance Israel would still be facing an equal rights struggle and would still have to provide humanitarian aid to the Palestinians.
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The international community continues to hold Israel accountable for Gazans humanitarian needs and does not recognize Israel's withdrawal. Unilateral withdrawal from portions of the territory conquered in 1967 will not be internationally accepted. Without international acceptance Israel would still be facing an equal rights struggle and would still have to provide humanitarian aid to the Palestinians.
The International community, meaning the Muslims, will continue to hold Israel responsible for everything until the Muslims are satisfied and that will not happen until there is no Israel. Either they will kill them off or vote them out...or whatever.
Nothing less will satisfy Islam and the Palestinians are tools of Islam...
the excuse for the hate being imposed upon many. As I have said before, look at the Muslim posts all say Jews steal Muslim land, Israel is illegal,
Israel exists on Muslim land, etc. Western nations bow to Israel. Palestinians are living in Concentration Camps. Jews are just like Nazi's. Face the reality of Islam. Israel has to move with great caution.

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