West Hartford Budget Cuts Criticized

West Hartford Budget Cuts Criticized

There are 197 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Jun 26, 2008, titled West Hartford Budget Cuts Criticized. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

"A lot of the cuts seemed to be very petty," said group Vice President Judy Aron.

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Jim

Ellington, CT

#188 Jul 5, 2008
My town has the exact same problem, but on a smaller scale.
Public employee union contracts need to be submitted to referendum for approval, just like budgets. That would solve a lot of the problems with the growth of cost of government here.
Observer only

Durham, CT

#189 Jul 5, 2008
Raucous wrote:
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Could you demonstrate with facts that our society is worse than ever? You can't; don't bother trying.
Raucous, It looks like you want to engage eveyone and whatever is said (most anyway) you challenge (unless of course they agree with you). I think you are in serious need of a course in reading comprehension. You respond well to a 1 sentence post, but in most that have more than 1 sentence or even paragraphs, you just pick out what you want and ignore the big picture or the main point altogether. I guess your opinion is the only one that counts. You have a mighty big head.
Hartford Fan

Marion, CT

#190 Jul 5, 2008
Judy Where are you? Did you get a job?
Raucous

West Hartford, CT

#191 Jul 5, 2008
Observer only wrote:
<quoted text>Raucous, It looks like you want to engage eveyone and whatever is said (most anyway) you challenge (unless of course they agree with you). I think you are in serious need of a course in reading comprehension. You respond well to a 1 sentence post, but in most that have more than 1 sentence or even paragraphs, you just pick out what you want and ignore the big picture or the main point altogether. I guess your opinion is the only one that counts. You have a mighty big head.
Big head? Hey, I read these forums and I react to what I think is interesting about each post. I don't feel any obligation to respond to every point every poster makes, or to respond to every facet of each individual post. I react to what I find interesting.

Usually, someone says "I beleive X because of A, B and C" and if I see a problem, I say, "Hey, I disagree with C." Do I have to respond to A and B and X? Who says? Why?

I can write what I want, and you can as well. This is a freakin' internet chat board not some sort of essay test or court deposition.

You are correct that I tend to express only my opinion. I didn't think I had to express other opinions, too. Do I?

I don't see how this is a problem except that it irks the people with whom I disgaree or simply challenge.
Sick and Tired

Waterbury, CT

#192 Jul 6, 2008
Observer only wrote:
<quoted text>Raucous, It looks like you want to engage everyone and whatever is said (most anyway) you challenge (unless of course they agree with you). I think you are in serious need of a course in reading comprehension. You respond well to a 1 sentence post, but in most that have more than 1 sentence or even paragraphs, you just pick out what you want and ignore the big picture or the main point altogether. I guess your opinion is the only one that counts. You have a mighty big head.
Raucous is a propaganda pig. He employs Karl Rove like tactics - not in his views but in his political spin strategy by pulling out a small piece of a post and insulting the poster in order to draw he or she into a long argument on an issue which is really not the main point and distracts from the real issue at hand being discussed. It is extremely annoying and distracting to those who want to discuss the real issues (which is his goal)

He is also an interesting character if you follow his posts. At one point a few weeks ago he said he had lived in town for 30 years. Now he said he lived in 5 other towns. He also says that he is not retired, but still actively at work. I really don't see how this all adds up unless he is a very senior employee.

I have long suspected he is bought and paid for by the town government or admin (or both) and is charged with pushing propaganda on these forums and distracting from real discussion. I say this because every single time he justifies the actions of the town council or town admin with very "unbiased" observations. Nobody can can defend every action of every administration that vigorously (except maybe Rush) without either being one of them or being on the payroll. Additionally he seems to have unlimited amount of time to post very long responses to almost every post. You do the math. Every word he types probably costs us tax dollars.

I have found that in the past the best way to deal with him is a boycott. Do not respond to his posts (especially if he is baiting you with a response to your post). It is difficult because he is really good at what he does but if you stick to it it can be very effective. Just pretend he does not exist. Good luck.
Raucous

West Hartford, CT

#193 Jul 6, 2008
Sick and Tired wrote:
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Raucous is a propaganda pig. He employs Karl Rove like tactics - not in his views but in his political spin strategy by pulling out a small piece of a post and insulting the poster in order to draw he or she into a long argument on an issue which is really not the main point and distracts from the real issue at hand being discussed. It is extremely annoying and distracting to those who want to discuss the real issues (which is his goal)
He is also an interesting character if you follow his posts. At one point a few weeks ago he said he had lived in town for 30 years. Now he said he lived in 5 other towns. He also says that he is not retired, but still actively at work. I really don't see how this all adds up unless he is a very senior employee.
I have long suspected he is bought and paid for by the town government or admin (or both) and is charged with pushing propaganda on these forums and distracting from real discussion. I say this because every single time he justifies the actions of the town council or town admin with very "unbiased" observations. Nobody can can defend every action of every administration that vigorously (except maybe Rush) without either being one of them or being on the payroll. Additionally he seems to have unlimited amount of time to post very long responses to almost every post. You do the math. Every word he types probably costs us tax dollars.
I have found that in the past the best way to deal with him is a boycott. Do not respond to his posts (especially if he is baiting you with a response to your post). It is difficult because he is really good at what he does but if you stick to it it can be very effective. Just pretend he does not exist. Good luck.
I moved to this town in 1988 when I was 19 years old. I never said I was here 30 years. Others have said that but not me.

After living in WH for a few years I moved to Eastern CT. My wife and I rented in a few towns until we finally bought in WH.

I am not retired nor a senior citizen. I work more than full time in an international business so I work very odd hours and travel all the time.

WHat you're struggling with is that these forums are mostly popylated by conservative/reactionaries. When someone like disagrees with your opposition to the Town Council, you get all agitate and frankly, that is what I find so amusing. I don't defend the TC. Rather, I attack bad argumnets. That is what I find som interesting. Boycott me all you want, you can't stop me. I just won't let the complainers (like you) make these forums into the vitual equivalent of the balcony judges' booth from the Muppets Show.
Raucous

West Hartford, CT

#194 Jul 6, 2008
Yikes, so many typos in the last post. My apologies. The other thing to note is that I dash off these replies in about 12 seconds and my typing skills are not up to the task.
Neighbor

Ridgefield, CT

#195 Jul 7, 2008
This did not seem to be publicized. Isn’t there a process the town needs to follow when making recommendations for sale of land? What is the history with why this land has not been sold before?
Fed Up wrote:
The budget changes approved by the Town Council also includes additional revenue from the sale of building lots totaling 2 acres (land owned by the town) on Belcrest Road and Chapman Road - bordering Rockledge Gold Course. The net sales proceeds are forecast at $ 670,000.
It isn't prudent to use these type of one shot revenues to adjust this budget. What does Mayor Slifka and the Town Council plan to sell next year?
Elmwood Resident

United States

#196 Jul 7, 2008
Neighbor wrote:
This did not seem to be publicized. Isn’t there a process the town needs to follow when making recommendations for sale of land? What is the history with why this land has not been sold before?
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There is a process that the town is suppose to follow when they sell town land. In Elmwood they did not follow the process when they sold 1.5 acres of Beachland Park, including the tennis courts. They did not properly notice the public about the sale of land to condo developers. So keep your eyes wide open, especially if you live near town owned land.
WH resident

AOL

#197 Jul 8, 2008
Interesting that Hartford unions (library) are willing to renegotiate to save the library branches and theri jobs. The precedent has been set. The town manager / BOE should be renegotiating with the West Hartford union employees.
Raucous

Denver, CO

#198 Jul 8, 2008
WH resident wrote:
Interesting that Hartford unions (library) are willing to renegotiate to save the library branches and theri jobs. The precedent has been set. The town manager / BOE should be renegotiating with the West Hartford union employees.
Apples and oranges. The job market for librarians is vastly different than the job market for teachers.
Greatest Dane

Ridgefield, CT

#199 Jul 8, 2008
Our neighbors? BS, at last count, 83% of the town and BOE employees don’t even live in town. Why, it’s too expensive to live here. This is a public safety issue. If there is a major problem these people won’t come back to help West Hartford. All West Hartford employees should be required to live here. At least our taxes will do the town some good and the employees will appreciate what it actually costs to live here. At the very least our firefighters and police personnel must live in town. Most taxpayers will be shocked to find out that almost no employees in the police or fire departments live in town. I am even willing to give any employee who moves to the town a $5000 tax credit (given over 10 years at 10% a year).
Judy Aron wrote:
R Saunders - part timers are losing their jobs because the unions demand that part time people get cut first.
Perhaps if all town employees were willing to take less they would not lose their jobs. Yes, my friend, they are our neighbors and friends.. but so are the people who are being forced out of their homes and who are really struggling.
If people are losing their jobs then they have no one else to blame but their union negotiators who have told us NO to concessions and who have brought us to this crisis to begin with.
MESS

AOL

#200 Jul 8, 2008
Raucous wrote:
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Apples and oranges. The job market for librarians is vastly different than the job market for teachers.
Who do you think you are, Mr no all tell all? Now I'll ask you (as you always demand from everyone else) for data and facts to back up your rediculous statement.
If nothing else it's a gesture in good faith between the members of the union and their employee, in our case the taxpayers of West Hartford.
Raucous, you are not a problem solver but a problem maker. Also called a loser.
Raucous

West Hartford, CT

#201 Jul 8, 2008
MESS wrote:
<quoted text>Who do you think you are, Mr no all tell all? Now I'll ask you (as you always demand from everyone else) for data and facts to back up your rediculous statement.
If nothing else it's a gesture in good faith between the members of the union and their employee, in our case the taxpayers of West Hartford.
Raucous, you are not a problem solver but a problem maker. Also called a loser.
Oh yeah, I'll go dig up all sorts of research for someone who calls me a loser and, more amusingly, a "no it all." I no a lot of about the job markets for each but I'm knot going to tell you.
You're just sour because I won't agree with the conclusion that concessions by librarians should drive concessions by teachers.

MESS, you are a mess.
The other WH Teacher

United States

#202 Jul 9, 2008
Greatest Dane wrote:
Our neighbors? BS, at last count, 83% of the town and BOE employees don’t even live in town. Why, it’s too expensive to live here. This is a public safety issue. If there is a major problem these people won’t come back to help West Hartford. All West Hartford employees should be required to live here. At least our taxes will do the town some good and the employees will appreciate what it actually costs to live here. At the very least our firefighters and police personnel must live in town. Most taxpayers will be shocked to find out that almost no employees in the police or fire departments live in town. I am even willing to give any employee who moves to the town a $5000 tax credit (given over 10 years at 10% a year).
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So can some of us get that retroactively? haha just kidding...

I know of 2 police officers that live in town and one fireman, all with kids, incidentally. And of course, many, many teachers. Most of us (teachers) however, are two income families. Where does the 83% figure come from?
MESS

AOL

#203 Jul 9, 2008
Raucous wrote:
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Oh yeah, I'll go dig up all sorts of research for someone who calls me a loser and, more amusingly, a "no it all." I no a lot of about the job markets for each but I'm knot going to tell you.
You're just sour because I won't agree with the conclusion that concessions by librarians should drive concessions by teachers.
MESS, you are a mess.
No don't bother on my behalf, we will just leave all as is and for those less fortunate, screw um. I have mine so why should I care & as has been said, if you can't afford to live in great West Hartford, move. You are one selfish individual.
I for one hope they give teachers, adminstrators, and staff large increases and then terminate some, there will be less and less of them (year after year) to deal with. That seems to be what you want. You do realize enrollment is declining.
Raucous

Denver, CO

#204 Jul 9, 2008
MESS wrote:
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No don't bother on my behalf, we will just leave all as is and for those less fortunate, screw um. I have mine so why should I care & as has been said, if you can't afford to live in great West Hartford, move. You are one selfish individual.
I for one hope they give teachers, adminstrators, and staff large increases and then terminate some, there will be less and less of them (year after year) to deal with. That seems to be what you want. You do realize enrollment is declining.
Hyperbole.

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