Boys made to clean rest room with too...

Boys made to clean rest room with toothbrushes

There are 48 comments on the WATE-TV Knoxville story from Dec 19, 2012, titled Boys made to clean rest room with toothbrushes. In it, WATE-TV Knoxville reports that:

A Tennessee teacher has been suspended after school officials said she made about 20 eighth-grade boys use tooth brushes to scrub a rest room where graffiti had appeared.

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sldfd

Oak Ridge, TN

#55 Jan 7, 2013
As an eighth grade student, I believe the punishment the boys received was appropriate. The graffiti included a swastika- and as far as I know, that is a hate crime. The teachers acted appropriate up until the incident, they gave the boys a voluminous time interval, three days I believe, for somebody to confess. They did have a suspect I heard, however they could not punish him because there wasn't a confession provided and they had no proper evidence. So, since nobody was mature enough to say they did it (which isn't much of a shock for anybody who writes "f*ck you" and draws a swastika on a stall door.), Mrs. Williams wanted to use peer pressure to get an answer, by making the eight grade boy population clean the bathroom with toothbrushes. And no, the boys did not have to clean poop or anything. She stated very clearly that she wasn't going to make them scrub toilets or anything but the graffiti. And that would have worked out quite nicely, except for a few mistakes: Taking pictures of the boys cleaning, even if it was another method of punishment you should assume it shouldn't be done especially in a school where it's imperative you be professional. Then, not providing masks in a poorly ventilated room with strong cleaning products, honestly that's just negligent. And finally, poor supervision, this can be assumed because one boy got sprayed in the face with product, which resulted him having to be carried to the office, and then a small fight occurring. Other than that, I believe it was morally alright for them to clean the bathroom. But now Mrs. Williams has been dismissed I have heard, because the last two weeks of school were spent with a substitute and on the Thursday before the break, her room was cleaned out and we were instructed to disregard our assignments she had given us. To be honest I don't think she should have been fired (if she even was, but we all suspect so) because she was a very good teacher, at least for my class, despite her occasional hateful habits, but she made a careless decision.
sldfd

Oak Ridge, TN

#58 Jan 9, 2013
Funny wrote:
That is funny! I seriously doubt that this is a 8th grade student, I think that this is Mrs. Williams in disguise. I know not of any 8th grader around here that writes this good, with such vocabulary and explanation of the incident. Nice Try! you get a F for effort! lol
I assure you I am a thirteen year old; I am only a product of Mrs. Williams's teaching, and I can have a parent who views this forum to confirm this. To be honest, I doubt Mrs. Williams would read Topix, and if she did write the post I wrote, undoubtedly she would be mature enough to post as herself.
FormerStudent

Oak Ridge, TN

#60 Jan 12, 2013
OK i had this woman her first year teaching there. She was not this hard before. Norwood middle has always been a bit of a alternative school but has gotten worse recently. I can remember just 5 years ago they started kind of becoming the M.E.C. of oliver springs by accepting students that couldn't be accepted anywhere else because of their track records. Mrs. williams was nothing but nice to my class but, when you have to deal with the kind of kids that go there. You start to become alot less sympathetic to BS. I HOWEVER DO NOT AGREE with making kids use harmful chemicals at such a young age. I mean if they're not responsible enough to use the restroom alone. how in the world could they be trusted with hazardous chemicals?
wolfboy

United States

#62 Jan 14, 2013
more to this story. Think about it.
joe

Indian Trail, NC

#64 Jan 29, 2013
today's vandalizers are tommorows criminals clean them toilets.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#65 Jan 29, 2013
So many parents don't find out that they were protecting the transgressor until their little innocent darling is talking to them on a phone through a glass wall.......too late to start being a parent at that point.
stop

Oak Ridge, TN

#66 Jan 29, 2013
If you don't have a child involved, your opinion is null. For the people who think that all the kids must be bad, your a dumba$$. You must just want to put something on here to feel like you have an opinion that might matter to someone... But you are completely ignorant to think that someone would give a sh!t about what you have to say when you don't have a child that this issue involves!!! I have a child that had to clean, but did not do the graffiti and NEVER complained. He has been TAUGHT that life sucks sometimes and isn't always fair. He has been TAUGHT to be respectful, honest, and fair even though the rest of the world may bot be. He will live his life as a good person and suffer the consequences of the people who have not been taught the same, just as I have. Like it or not, that's life. It did not hurt him to clean and he knows that. I TAUGHT him to not eat, drink, sniff, lick, or whatever, chemicals and other harmful substances. Do I agree with "group punishment"? Yes. You suffer group punishment in your everyday life, whether you recognize it or not! A few examples- higher taxes, security checks, speed limits(some of us are just to dumb to realize that going fast means you will crash harder!) Do I agree with this type of "group punishment"? No. There are other effective punishments that would not have caused all this mess and the teacher wouldn't be in trouble. She just does not know how to handle kids. I think sweeping the hallways and dusting for the rest of the year or writing essays would have been more effective. The bathroom clean up was probably fun and short lived. There are some kids there that just lack structure and supervision at home and if my house and paycheck were big enough, I would take them all in and teach them right from wrong. With all that said, my kids are not perfectly behaved children, and I don't expect them to be. Just remember before you post again, are you and/or your kids perfect? Your judgement day will come. Karmas a B!$?@!
Cynic

Asheboro, NC

#67 Jan 29, 2013
Addressing your first sentence, I'll have to disagree. The issue here is one of actions and consequences that apply to society in general. A parallel to your fallacious statement could be that anyone who has never served as our nation's president or even had any political job experience should be banned from voting in presidential elections.
stop wrote:
If you don't have a child involved, your opinion is null. For the people who think that all the kids must be bad, your a dumba$$. You must just want to put something on here to feel like you have an opinion that might matter to someone... But you are completely ignorant to think that someone would give a sh!t about what you have to say when you don't have a child that this issue involves!!! I have a child that had to clean, but did not do the graffiti and NEVER complained. He has been TAUGHT that life sucks sometimes and isn't always fair. He has been TAUGHT to be respectful, honest, and fair even though the rest of the world may bot be. He will live his life as a good person and suffer the consequences of the people who have not been taught the same, just as I have. Like it or not, that's life. It did not hurt him to clean and he knows that. I TAUGHT him to not eat, drink, sniff, lick, or whatever, chemicals and other harmful substances. Do I agree with "group punishment"? Yes. You suffer group punishment in your everyday life, whether you recognize it or not! A few examples- higher taxes, security checks, speed limits(some of us are just to dumb to realize that going fast means you will crash harder!) Do I agree with this type of "group punishment"? No. There are other effective punishments that would not have caused all this mess and the teacher wouldn't be in trouble. She just does not know how to handle kids. I think sweeping the hallways and dusting for the rest of the year or writing essays would have been more effective. The bathroom clean up was probably fun and short lived. There are some kids there that just lack structure and supervision at home and if my house and paycheck were big enough, I would take them all in and teach them right from wrong. With all that said, my kids are not perfectly behaved children, and I don't expect them to be. Just remember before you post again, are you and/or your kids perfect? Your judgement day will come. Karmas a B!$?@!

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